Hero-worship of managers

[Skills]

I can't be the only one finds this really cringey? Especially managers who haven't even done anything for us yet? I mean I get it with Solskjaer because he's a club legend, so there's always going to be a natural bond there.

But Moyes got this awful monstrosity before he'd even had his first game for the club :

And then Mourinho got this awful song :


Surely you're better off just waiting & letting them actually do something worthwhile before you get down on one knee and propose on your first Tinder date?

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Of all the big clubs, our fanbase seems to give the most leeway to the managers.

The only explanation I have is because of Sir Matt Busby and SAF, we seem to think we'll get another manager who'll be here for 10+ years, so we try to attach ourselves to that manager.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Of all the big clubs, our fanbase seems to give the most leeway to the managers.

The only explanation I have is because of Sir Matt Busby and SAF, we seem to think we'll get another manager who'll be here for 10+ years, so we try to attach ourselves to that manager.

Pretty much, but it doesn’t help when the god of your club tells everybody to stick with the manager and be patient. We feel bad for asking for change.

 

[LInkash]

Happens with players too, like with Falcao.

 

[Sir Scott McToMinay]

“Your job now is to stand behind the next manager”.
People still haven’t gotten over this sentence and the Fergie era, it’s like they want to prove a point to other club supporters about how much class we have.

I would personally rather win football matches, class or not.
I’m not even sure what’s so classy about supporting shite managers, but Ole is really next level incompetence, he makes Moyes look like a top tier manager.

 

[adexkola]

What should fans do?

 

[Skills]

“Your job now is to stand behind the next manager”.
People still haven’t gotten over this sentence and the Fergie era, it’s like they want to prove a point to other club supporters about how much class we have.

I would personally rather win football matches, class or not.
I’m not even sure what’s so classy about supporting shite managers, but Ole is really next level incompetence, he makes Moyes look like a top tier manager.

Funny how that "support" for the manager turns into vitriol and hate on the players.

The fans should support the club. The manager is just an another employee of the club. Fergie and Busby were exceptions, where the manager and club almost became interchangeable.

 

[roonster09]

Ole is self explanatory, I think Moyes was because he was the first manager after SAF and people thought we will win trophies by default.

What I don't understand is hero worship of managers who are sacked and played big role in destroying this club along with Woodward.

 

[Neil_Buchanan]

Call it what you will but there's nothing wrong with being optimistic when playing the role of a supporter. It certainly makes it more enjoyable.

 

[Skills]

Ole is self explanatory, I think Moyes was because he was the first manager after SAF and people thought we will win trophies by default.

What I don't understand is hero worship of managers who are sacked and played big role in destroying this club along with Woodward.

Stockholm syndrome

 

[Tom Cato]

Of all the big clubs, our fanbase seems to give the most leeway to the managers.

The only explanation I have is because of Sir Matt Busby and SAF, we seem to think we'll get another manager who'll be here for 10+ years, so we try to attach ourselves to that manager.

Do we? We're 6 games into the season with this manager and already the caf loyals are out for blood and want a lamppost for a manager instead.

All while conveniently ignoring the fact that the very king of managers himself had a similar rocky start to the MUFC career.

 

[Ish]

What should fans do?

White handkerchiefs of course adexkola!

 

[Jack - City Fan]

I must admit (and im sure a few oppo fans would agree), after years and years of hearing from pundits and fans and ex players how united are different because they stand by their manager. It is nice to see you going through them at the same rough rate as my girlfriends leave me.

 

[Josep Dowling]

Funny how that "support" for the manager turns into vitriol and hate on the players.

The fans should support the club. The manager is just an another employee of the club. Fergie and Busby were exceptions, where the manager and club almost became interchangeable.

The managers weren’t exceptions. The difference is they were successful so fans never got on their back. But there were certainly fans that lost patience with Sir Alex early on.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

I must admit (and im sure a few oppo fans would agree), after years and years of hearing from pundits and fans and ex players how united are different because they stand by their manager. It is nice to see you going through them at the same rough rate as my girlfriends leave me.

I wish that were the case. Currently there is no top club in world football other than Arsenal that give this much time to incompetent managers.
Put it this way if Sheikh Mansoor had hired Kompany and he had Ole's record when would he have been chopped (literally and figuratively) off. Similarly would Moyes have survived Fulham, would Jose have survived Sevilla. That tells you how stupidly patient the club is.

 

[Sir Scott McToMinay]

I wish that were the case. Currently there is no top club in world football other than Arsenal that give this much time to incompetent managers.
Put it this way if Sheikh Mansoor had hired Kompany and he had Ole's record when would he have been chopped (literally and figuratively) off. Similarly would Moyes have survived Fulham, would Jose have survived Sevilla. That tells you how stupidly patient the club is.

How many seasons went down the drain due to this stupid patience with failing managers?

 

[Sir Scott McToMinay]

Do we? We're 6 games into the season with this manager and already the caf loyals are out for blood and want a lamppost for a manager instead.

He’s been here since December, we’re in a relegation form, what are you talking about?
We’re at the lowest point since 2013 and Ole is by far the worst manager out of those 4.
He’s not good enough, he’s not a PL level manager.

 

[ColvaleGoa]

Yeah .let's just bin Ole . Big Sam is available, he will definitely win us the Champions league.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

How many seasons went down the drain due to this stupid patience with failing managers?

Half of Moyes season. Last season and probably this one. So 2.5. LVG and Jose both somewhat earned 2 seasons.

 

[Skills]

White handkerchiefs of course adexkola!

Us lecturing Madrid and their fans, is the equivalent to Woolworths lecturing Amazon on how to run a retail business.

 

[Untied]

Do we? We're 6 games into the season with this manager and already the caf loyals are out for blood and want a lamppost for a manager instead.

All while conveniently ignoring the fact that the very king of managers himself had a similar rocky start to the MUFC career.

It's particularly weird because the man best qualified to replace him, Poch, is having a awful run at Spurs

 

[Chipper]

"Ferguson's red and white army" was definitely sung before he won anything with us so perhaps it not that new?

Now I can't remember exactly when it was. If it was during/after 87/88 when we finished 2nd then he'd have done something worthwhile. If it was before then not so much.

Happens with players too, like with Falcao.

Yeah, he had a song very early and did nothing.

Two schools of thought I suppose. Are you singing songs to encourage the individual you're singing about whether that be manager or player, or are you doing it to show them some love and adoration? I'm more in the second camp, and am not a big fan of singing someone's name when still working out if they're any good or not/if I even like them.

Ibrahimovich and Van Persie had songs from pretty much day one too, at least they did well. Currently there's James, Greenwood and Tuanzebe with about 20 games between them. Remember Possebon's?

 

[Kopral Jono]

Of all the big clubs, our fanbase seems to give the most leeway to the managers.

The only explanation I have is because of Sir Matt Busby and SAF, we seem to think we'll get another manager who'll be here for 10+ years, so we try to attach ourselves to that manager.

/thread.

 

[JB7]

God forbid the supporters at the games support the manager. I suppose we should just stand in silence in banners saying "Ole Out" because Tom, Dick and Harry on RedCafe and social media say that's when needs to happen?

 

[SteveW]

This is a load of nonsense.

Supporting your manager and players should always be the default starting point.

 

[stevoc]

I can't be the only one finds this really cringey? Especially managers who haven't even done anything for us yet? I mean I get it with Solskjaer because he's a club legend, so there's always going to be a natural bond there.

But Moyes got this awful monstrosity before he'd even had his first game for the club :

And then Mourinho got this awful song :


Surely you're better off just waiting & letting them actually do something worthwhile before you get down on one knee and propose on your first Tinder date?

Pretty sure i read that the club were behind that banner, they asked Stretford End Flags to come up with a Moyes banner to show support for him.

It was cringeworthy as feck though, it was even more cringeworthy when the clown was failing badly and blaming everyone else. Fans wanted to take it down but the club hired security to protect it.

 

[Skills]

Pretty sure i read that the club were behind that banner, they asked Stretford End Flags to come with a Moyes banner to show support for him.

It was cringeworthy as feck though, it was even more cringeworthy when the clown was failing badly and blaming everyone else. Fans wanted to take it down but the club hired security to protect it.

I didn't actually know about that. Thanks

 

[Bestietom]

Ok maybe Ole is not a proven manager and is out of his depth here, but we had proven managers in Van Gaal and Mourinho and it didn't work.
I personally don't think bringing in a manager now or Christmas will change things for the better. You cannot expect to REBUILD quickly with 100million every year to spend. This club needs to look at a lot of things they are doing wrong firstly
We are now in negotiations with Pogba who we read is asking for 500k a week wages to extend his contract, we have already agreed a huge contract with De Gea, Rashford, Martial, Shaw, and others. Do you not think that players should EARN a huge contract like these by performance every week. I mean for 500k a week we should be able to pay 3 mens wages in the same area of the pitch and maybe doing the same or better job.
Same goes for Martial and Rashford, De Gea, and Shaw. We are too freehand with our contracts and this needs more attention, same as transfers.

 

[Greck]

“Your job now is to stand behind the next manager”.
People still haven’t gotten over this sentence and the Fergie era, it’s like they want to prove a point to other club supporters about how much class we have.

I would personally rather win football matches, class or not.
I’m not even sure what’s so classy about supporting shite managers, but Ole is really next level incompetence, he makes Moyes look like a top tier manager.

Funniest thing about that quote from Fergie was even he didn't stand by it. Once Moyes was relieved he wasted no time in downplaying his role in the appointment and distancing himself from the man. Yet people like Neville are still arguing for Moyes

 

[ZupZup]

Imagine going to matches to sit there and moan like the people do on Redcafe... paying £40 or whatever to do a bit of live sulking.

I'd rather go, have a few beers with my mates... support the team and sing till my voice is going. It's such a different culture to watching at home where the only thing you get from that match is watching a screen for 90+ minutes.

 

[cyberman]

This goes both ways though. The otherside of the coin is just as bad.
Our ffan base has a bad habit of turning these appointments into a toxic debate, both sides knuckle down and our online base has turned to shit because of it.

 

[harms]

It's the same with players - when you sign a superstar, you usually praise him even before he does anything. See the hype about Ibra, Falcao, Di Maria, Pogba...

Mourinho and van Gaal are superstars (although both had aged horribly). Moyes got support from Fergie himself, so he's an exception. Ole/Giggs were our legends already.

 

[Cassidy]

Fans doing their jobs, supporting and celebrating players and managers

 

[Scotty McT]

RedCafe posters turning on matchgoing fans is absurd. If you go to games, you should support the players and the manager before and during the game. This is done with songs and banners. If you feel the performance has been disrespectful or whatever, feel free to boo. Don't turn Old Trafford into a place of negativity.

 

[Cloud7]

This is a load of nonsense.

Supporting your manager and players should always be the default starting point.

That’s the thing though, we don’t support them equally. The default starting point for United fans, as appears most commonly is: When things are going well, it’s the managers good work. When things are going bad, it’s the players fault.

We should view both equally, but as a fanbase we never seem to do so.

 

[Ish]

Us lecturing Madrid and their fans, is the equivalent to Woolworths lecturing Amazon on how to run a retail business.

Aye. I agree with you. At times we’re just too sentimental and romantic as a fan base, when we need to be ruthless.

 

[SteveW]

That’s the thing though, we don’t support them equally. The default starting point for United fans, as appears most commonly is: When things are going well, it’s the managers good work. When things are going bad, it’s the players fault.

We should view both equally, but as a fanbase we never seem to do so.

I don't think either should be set in stone. A new manager should be supported and blame should be apportioned as it happens.

Personally I don't really blame our players for being shite. We've spent 7 years bringing players to the club who don't belong here. Most of them seem like honest lads to me. For example, I've been highly critical of Matic, Mata, Pereira, Fred and Lingard today. Barring Fred I think all of these lads are hard working pros trying their best. If we'd signed properly over the years none of these would be playing here.

 

[Andycoleno9]

I am simple regarding this. Club is above everything. Success= praise. Fail= criticsm. I don't care who you are, what you did in past for club or how much you give to hungry people in Africa. I don't discriminate. It goes for legends, mercs, players, coaches, owners, cleaning lady...

Of course that i have my favourites but with them i am trying to be objective as much as i can. Cough, cough..mourinho, rooney cough..

 

[macheda14]

Yeah, he had a song very early and did nothing.

Falcao had a song because it was his Atletico chant and it's just a great chant. Really fun to sing in the stands. Simple as that.

 

[Skills]

That’s the thing though, we don’t support them equally. The default starting point for United fans, as appears most commonly is: When things are going well, it’s the managers good work. When things are going bad, it’s the players fault.

We should view both equally, but as a fanbase we never seem to do so.

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