I think that this would meet the CPS test for prosecution - especially for gross negligence manslaughter. I know about other GNM cases and what people have been prosecuted for; this situation involved far more negligence than other successful convictions.
Hillsborough Inquests verdict - 96 Unlawfully Killed.
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27 years is an awful length of time to have to fight for this, well done those who kept it up all these years. Hopefully those responsible will now be taken to task.
That is disgusting.
Great news for the families and friends of the victims. I'm absolutely delighted for them. Now the guilty parties need to pay.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hillsborough-disaster-footballs-most-harrowing-7836290
Brian Reade's account of that fateful day.
Brian Reade's account of that fateful day.
Fantastic news for the families, and congratulations to those who have persisted for 27 long years to get this result. Now those who were truly at fault need to pay for their actions.
Bit of light relief, but this is what Liverpool's new international ambassador has tweeted on the morning the news has broke:
Bit of light relief, but this is what Liverpool's new international ambassador has tweeted on the morning the news has broke:
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That is one of the remarkable and courageous things about it, that the families never gave up, kept fighting the system which was trying so determined to cover it up and today they have finally had justice for those 96 who sadly lost their lives.
I don't know any of the details of Ingham's role in the case, but what an absolute fecking cnut. I hope he's punished severely for any part played. How much talk is there of criminal prosecutions resulting from the inquest's findings?
Huge well done as well to all families of victims, and Liverpool fans involved in the case and campaign for justice. They've done incredibly well to clear their names and get the truth out there.
It's deleted, what did he say?Fantastic news for the families, and congratulations to those who have persisted for 27 long years to get this result. Now those who were truly at fault need to pay for their actions.
Bit of light relief, but this is what Liverpool's new international ambassador has tweeted on the morning the news has broke:
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Am in tears reading this.. feck me. Can't imagine the pain the victims families have suffered over 27 years.
Hope all the cnuts involved in peddling the lies are banged up and made to suffer. Despicable.
I've never seen that letter before. Absolute piece of shit.
Just something totally unrelated and extremely boring about a flight he's just been on. Very Michael Owen
It's taken 27 years of the families walking through one of the darkest storms to engulf the justice system in this country. They kept their heads held high and finally, they have the golden sky and justice for the 96! YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE
Think everybody knew this, but so glad its now official. Great news
The only bad thing is the fact that those who are at fault will not be held accountable (it seems).
JF96 indeed. R.I.P.
The only bad thing is the fact that those who are at fault will not be held accountable (it seems).
JF96 indeed. R.I.P.
A long-overview verdict over a cover up that we will hopefully never see the likes of again. I can't even begin to imagine the hurt and anger those closely connected to the disaster must have felt over the last 27 years. Although by no means coming close to making up for the prejudice and ineptitude of all authorities involved, families knowing that their lost ones have had their names legally and rightfully cleared of any wrong doing must be a solace. Perhaps more fitting than ever before, RIP the 96.
I've watched several diagrams of the event and while i don't live in Britain i don't understand one thing. It's clearly the fault of the authorities who let all those people enter that area in those numbers but why, when the stands got crowded why they got crushed? Why they didn't stop entering? Hasn't anyone yelled to stop? Stupid question probably, as they probably did but i still don't understand why they kept pushing.
He got absolutely slaughtered in the replies and rightly so. Apparently he is a LFC club ambassador.
Not knocking you, but this was a common belief when the e-petition was doing the rounds a few years ago: "Yeah, I'll sign it, I hope they get the truth, but I don't think it'll happen." I think those with something to lose will do their damnedest to escape justice, but that it will catch up with them in the end. The families of the victims have a whole city behind them. They'll do it.
very, very, very long read - but a superb read all the same -
Disgusting. Even though I'm well aware of what happened it never fails to fill me with anger reading it all documented like that.
Oh i get you, but what I meant is, regarding individuals. I guess its more of a question then, how would they be held accountable? What are they doing right now?
In fairness, considering the timeline, he probably sent the first tweet as soon as his phone got signal when he landed, then saw the news afterwards.
jft96
It's been all over the news for 24hrs that the jury would give their verdict about 11am today. As a club ambassador, you'd think he'd have known about it
I think it's understandable if he's just got off a long haul flight and not immediately realised. He was probably barely aware of what time it was.
I'm far from a fan of Michael Owen, but it's not exactly something to crucify him over.
They've literally been trying for my entire life to get justice. Really brings it into perspective.
Bernard Ingham was asked by reporters this morning if he would apologise to the families; "I have nothing to say," was his response.
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Justice at last.
As well as the arrogance of the police that prevailed at nearly ALL matches back then, Hillsborough football ground was a fecking death trap.
SWFC should answer for the H&S failings.
I was almost killed there in 77
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/sheffield-wednesday-chairman-said-bks-7392874
As well as the arrogance of the police that prevailed at nearly ALL matches back then, Hillsborough football ground was a fecking death trap.
SWFC should answer for the H&S failings.
I was almost killed there in 77
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/sheffield-wednesday-chairman-said-bks-7392874
Probably the right decisions and the only response that would be acceptable to Liverpool fans. Glad to see that people will be held accountable.
That said, I find it hard to believe that the action of the Liverpool fans did not contribute to the disaster, I accept they certainly were not the cause. However, those of us who used to frequent away matches during that period know full well that if a gate was opened ticketless fans would rush the opened gate. I think fans who use to go to matches in that period will definitely find that vote strange. I wonder what the ticketless Liverpool fans who tried to get into the stadium that day have had on their mind all these years, did they stop going, have they been scarred?
The people right at the back had no idea what was happening at the front. The game was still going on and although people at the front were suffocating where they stood, people further back wouldn't have seen it and certainly wouldn't have heard anything in all the noise.
Standing terraces back then were all potential death traps, because people were caged in at the front. There was no room to move at big games. If you were small, you could get lifted off your feet by the people around you and you couldn't do anything about it - your arms would be trapped, too. It's hard to imagine nowadays.
Always shocking how long the cover up was perpetuated. JFT and RIP 96.
Finally justice at last.
this is why they are blameless - it went against the police + media + Tory narrative, even way back then.
Taylor Report from 1989
http://www.southyorks.police.uk/sites/default/files/Taylor Interim Report.pdf
The problem wasn't the numbers - more, where they were all herded.
Damn, that must have been horrible.
On this I am inclined to agree. I saw plenty of gate rushes and other pretty dangerous antics from ticketless fans back in those days.
Also there was the fact that many grounds had built caged pens across the ends to separate fans.
This was always controversial in my view.
Once in through the central tunnel the fans only had those two pens to go in.
If it wasn't so penned-off then the crowd surge could have been spread across the whole Leppings Lane end and the disaster may have been avoided.
That said cages where a result of terrace violence and pitch invasions which was commonplace everywhere but gained significant billing at Hysel.
I wasn't apportioning blame, I said contributing. Even with the report you included, seems to confuse number of fans entering with numbers outside. When United went to FA semi-finals you would see an enormous amount of ticketless fans outside the ground, and I am pretty sure it would have been the same for Liverpool and Forest as the allocations for neutral grounds were never big. The culture at that time was also Saturday's was football.
Anyway, glad, or hopefully, it is now all done and dusted.
I think its like you said though, those scenes happened up and down the country in away matches at the time and yet people did not die up and down the country. Clearly there was something fundamentally different that happened here, a reason why people actually died, for that, I think its fair to say that Liverpool fans actions had no effect whatsoever.
Spot on
It might be as well to re-word that because they clearly did have an effect. I think what you mean is that the existence of ticketless fans per-se was not the cause of the tragedy.