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I have access to a non work laptop for 2 weeks. Really want to play this but I don't know if I'll be able to finish it
Do you have 3.5 hours available? That's what took this guy to achieve 112%. Would probably take me 3.5 lives. :lol:

 

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Do you have 3.5 hours available? That's what took this guy to achieve 112%. Would probably take me 3.5 lives. :lol:

That's insane. Nerd. Meet me on the pitch :lol:

Edit: I don't know how they kill bosses so easily in a few hits... I try for ages and nothing works...
 

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That's insane. Nerd. Meet me on the pitch :lol:

Edit: I don't know how they kill bosses so easily in a few hits... I try for ages and nothing works...
Yeah its absolutely insane. I loved watching that far more than the Any%NMG runs which were pretty much about finding the shorter route to THK and finishing the main story. In this they had to do literally everything hence the chances of screwing it all up is infinitely more.
 

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Just finished White Palace. It actually wasn't as hard as I thought... Took me about 30 minutes.

I got so much confidence, I tried Path Of Pain... Let's just say, it was Bebe at United... I was completely out of my depth!

I started ok but there are bits where you need a leg up by pogo-ing off of vertical moving saws... I just couldn't do that move.

On to the black egg now! Nervous...
 

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So finally went into black egg. Surprised how easy Hollow Knight was with my charm setup... Problem is, this setup is useless against Radiance.

Quick Slash
Unbreakable Strength
Long Nail
Grubsong

I think with Radiance, I need spell based charms... But then I struggle with Hollow Knight.

What setups did you guys use?
 

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Unbreakable heart, unbreakable strength, Shaman stone, spell twister and grubsong is what I'm using on Absolute Radiance, anything less spelly would prolong the fight too much. I consider the nail extension charms a total luxury, except when up against White Defender/Dung Defender and Sly, because you can actually reach past one of their attacks and damage them for free. I think with every other boss you can save the notches by learning proper spacing. Quick slash will give you a little extra against Hollow Knight but he also parries a lot so it can damage you. Against Radiance you don't need quick slash, but abyss shriek will take her down fast.

When I was doing Hollow Knight and Radiance I was still using nail based charms like you are so I know the temptation but spells are so powerful and you should get the hang of using them pretty quickly. I-frames on the Descending Dark can be great against hollow Knight.

Try it out.
 

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So finally went into black egg. Surprised how easy Hollow Knight was with my charm setup... Problem is, this setup is useless against Radiance.

Quick Slash
Unbreakable Strength
Long Nail
Grubsong

I think with Radiance, I need spell based charms... But then I struggle with Hollow Knight.

What setups did you guys use?
Aren't you missing two charm notches? I don't remember what I used but Shaman Stone is excellent here to get that Abyss Shriek damage up. Soul Catcher or Spell Twister will help with that as well. I'd forget about optimizing charms for the Hollow Knight to be honest, it's such a learnable fight that you'll get through it anyway after several attempts, doesn't matter if it's pretty.

You probably know this already: but definitely don't waste any soul against the Hollow Knight. You'll want to start the next fight with max soul.
 

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Unbreakable heart, unbreakable strength, Shaman stone, spell twister and grubsong is what I'm using on Absolute Radiance, anything less spelly would prolong the fight too much. I consider the nail extension charms a total luxury, except when up against White Defender/Dung Defender and Sly, because you can actually reach past one of their attacks and damage them for free. I think with every other boss you can save the notches by learning proper spacing. Quick slash will give you a little extra against Hollow Knight but he also parries a lot so it can damage you. Against Radiance you don't need quick slash, but abyss shriek will take her down fast.

When I was doing Hollow Knight and Radiance I was still using nail based charms like you are so I know the temptation but spells are so powerful and you should get the hang of using them pretty quickly. I-frames on the Descending Dark can be great against hollow Knight.

Try it out.
Thanks mate I'll try it. To be fair, I've taken Radiance quite far based on my current charms (which is pretty much the load out I've used throughout the game) so this will hopefully help. I normally don't use spells so just need to get used to it.

Aren't you missing two charm notches? I don't remember what I used but Shaman Stone is excellent here to get that Abyss Shriek damage up. Soul Catcher or Spell Twister will help with that as well. I'd forget about optimizing charms for the Hollow Knight to be honest, it's such a learnable fight that you'll get through it anyway after several attempts, doesn't matter if it's pretty.

You probably know this already: but definitely don't waste any soul against the Hollow Knight. You'll want to start the next fight with max soul.
Yes sorry forgot, I am also using Shaman Stone. Yeah I save my soul meter against hollow Knight. When hornet Comes in, you can also get 4 cheeky slashes in to get extra soul...

The first time i fight him, I killed him and got an ending. I was so happy, then I looked online and read about Radiance. Hopefully I'll smash a hole in her ass tonight.
 
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Finally completed it! Used @dumbo setup... Worked a charm!

Finished at 107% (didn't complete the pantheons, trial of fools or path of pain). I think I could have potentially done trial of fools and path of pain but not worth the stress and effort considering I'm not going for 112% because I know for a fact I wouldn't be able to complete the pantheons.

A bit disappointed that the final two bosses weren't more difficult considering one is the titular character and the other is the big bad.

I thought the hardest boss by far was Nightmare King Grimm...

Thanks to the peeps here for helping. You stopped that 60h play through becoming 100+ hours :lol:

Really looking forward to Silk Song. Until then, time to move on to Luigi's Mansion 3.

After how hard this was, I'm confident taking on any game.
 

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Well done mate. You didn't seem to have too many issues all things considered. You could definitely finish Trial of the Fool and several of the pantheons, if you wanted.
 

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Finally completed it! Used @dumbo setup... Worked a charm!

Finished at 107% (didn't complete the pantheons, trial of fools or path of pain). I think I could have potentially done trial of fools and path of pain but not worth the stress and effort considering I'm not going for 112% because I know for a fact I wouldn't be able to complete the pantheons.

A bit disappointed that the final two bosses weren't more difficult considering one is the titular character and the other is the big bad.

I thought the hardest boss by far was Nightmare King Grimm...

Thanks to the peeps here for helping. You stopped that 60h play through becoming 100+ hours :lol:

Really looking forward to Silk Song. Until then, time to move on to Luigi's Mansion 3.

After how hard this was, I'm confident taking on any game.
Well done!
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How difficult is it to get from 100 to 107%? Not that I'll ever get to 100% :lol:
 

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I've come to believe that you are all spoofers and it is in fact, impossible to get past the Greenpath Hornet.

I've put more than 10 hours of play into this game and at least 3 of those have been trying to beat her. She goes ballistic after you've made her stagger 2 or 3 times and kills me every time.

I've left to get more gear, stronger weapons, better charms etc but when I get back she still takes the piss. It's reached the stage where I'm not sure I can progress any further without getting past her.
 

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Well done mate. You didn't seem to have too many issues all things considered. You could definitely finish Trial of the Fool and several of the pantheons, if you wanted.
Cheers mate. I may go back and try them but I'm generally not a completionist. I usually move on once I've seen the main ending for a game. But what a game this was. Probably the first adventure game I've played since the original Last Of Us.

Well done!
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Cheers. Mate I remember back then, I was really struggling. If I carried on playing the way I was back then, I'd have never finished this. But once I got through Soul Sanctum, it all clicked and I got really hooked to it. It also helped that people on this thread really gave me valuable information on how things like charms worked, which made me love the game even more (i only started upgrading my moves and using more charms than Wayward Compass after killing soul Soul Master!).

I think this ended up being one of my favourite adventure games of all time. I'm still thinking about it now haha.

Loved it.
 

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Cheers mate. I may go back and try them but I'm generally not a completionist. I usually move on once I've seen the main ending for a game. But what a game this was. Probably the first adventure game I've played since the original Last Of Us.


Cheers. Mate I remember back then, I was really struggling. If I carried on playing the way I was back then, I'd have never finished this. But once I got through Soul Sanctum, it all clicked and I got really hooked to it. It also helped that people on this thread really gave me valuable information on how things like charms worked, which made me love the game even more (i only started upgrading my moves and using more charms than Wayward Compass after killing soul Soul Master!).

I think this ended up being one of my favourite adventure games of all time. I'm still thinking about it now haha.

Loved it.
Yeah I spend a while getting it to click as well, but when it does it's amazing.
 

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I've come to believe that you are all spoofers and it is in fact, impossible to get past the Greenpath Hornet.

I've put more than 10 hours of play into this game and at least 3 of those have been trying to beat her. She goes ballistic after you've made her stagger 2 or 3 times and kills me every time.

I've left to get more gear, stronger weapons, better charms etc but when I get back she still takes the piss. It's reached the stage where I'm not sure I can progress any further without getting past her.
She has just 4 attacks, so learn which ones you can punish. Her two easiest attacks to punish are her horizontal charge and her jump followed by a dive to your position. For the former, jump and downstrike, for the second you want to walk sideways and attack after she lands. If you're not comfortable with her, just keep your distance, don't chase her and let her come to you.
 

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I've come to believe that you are all spoofers and it is in fact, impossible to get past the Greenpath Hornet.

I've put more than 10 hours of play into this game and at least 3 of those have been trying to beat her. She goes ballistic after you've made her stagger 2 or 3 times and kills me every time.

I've left to get more gear, stronger weapons, better charms etc but when I get back she still takes the piss. It's reached the stage where I'm not sure I can progress any further without getting past her.
I found her tough at the start but she's beatable. Listen to @Ainu, learn her patterns, how she telegraphs moves, be patient, find the right time to strike.

Once you get unbreakable Strength and quick slash, then you run into bosses and introduce their face to your nail.
 

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She has just 4 attacks, so learn which ones you can punish. Her two easiest attacks to punish are her horizontal charge and her jump followed by a dive to your position. For the former, jump and downstrike, for the second you want to walk sideways and attack after she lands. If you're not comfortable with her, just keep your distance, don't chase her and let her come to you.
I feel like I have her moves down, until I get her right down to the end and she goes bananas. It's that last frenzy where I can't predict her and she usually runs into me a load of times.

How many times does she get dazed before dying?
 

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I've come to believe that you are all spoofers and it is in fact, impossible to get past the Greenpath Hornet.

I've put more than 10 hours of play into this game and at least 3 of those have been trying to beat her. She goes ballistic after you've made her stagger 2 or 3 times and kills me every time.

I've left to get more gear, stronger weapons, better charms etc but when I get back she still takes the piss. It's reached the stage where I'm not sure I can progress any further without getting past her.
Patience. When she dashes across screen bounce on her head turn towards her and immediately use a fireball (if you have one). When she dives at an angle up strike, step aside turn towards and hit again. She she does the needle throw stay close, jump, downstrike and get away quickly. When she does the forcefield thing with the thread stay to her back right on the edge of the field, quick jump and strike when it ends.

You can heal when she goes down or when she does the spare throw (if you have the space). When she gets too fast, just spend a couple of seconds dodging find a comfortable position to reset and play the same strategy. I think she goes down 4 times.

Whatever you do, don't listen to her audio. I got tricked into thinking everytime she shoulted "aye-ai" she would do spare throw, she shouted the other and did it anyway. Also don't heal unless you are 1000% sure you'll get it off before she arrives.

You really can't progress too far without beating Hornet in Greenpath because your reward is key for traversal. I have a friend who played on ps4 and uninstalled over Hornet..
 

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Do you have 3.5 hours available? That's what took this guy to achieve 112%. Would probably take me 3.5 lives. :lol:

I just randomly skipped timecode and watched the fight with Mantis Lords. My anxiety was through the roof when he had just two masks at the end :lol:
 

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I'm having serious withdrawal :lol:

I just watched a 1+ hour video on hollow Knight lore. Very interesting. The detail people have put together is insane.
 

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Finally beat the Hornet last night. Cheers to all in here for the advice and words of encouragement!
Well done mate. That first one is quite tough. They're are tougher bosses but as with anything in this game, enough practice will set you in a good place to overcome the obstacles. Until you come up against Nightmare King Grimm, then your absolutely fecked :lol:

Luckily he is only an optional boss.
 

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Well done mate. That first one is quite tough. They're are tougher bosses but as with anything in this game, enough practice will set you in a good place to overcome the obstacles. Until you come up against Nightmare King Grimm, then your absolutely fecked :lol:

Luckily he is only an optional boss.
Cheers man!

Enough practice is something I'm certainly getting! Those flying yokes that fire crystals at you are my new nemesis!

I think I may need to finally buy a proper controller for the Switch. This game has my thumbs worn to the bone on the joy cons.
 

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Cheers man!

Enough practice is something I'm certainly getting! Those flying yokes that fire crystals at you are my new nemesis!

I think I may need to finally buy a proper controller for the Switch. This game has my thumbs worn to the bone on the joy cons.
I hated those guys. Luckily they only reside in the crystal area.

I completed with the joycons attached to my switch so it's doable. But the small amount I played with an actual controller made me realise how much easier it would have been if I played the whole thing that way.
 

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I'm having serious withdrawal :lol:

I just watched a 1+ hour video on hollow Knight lore. Very interesting. The detail people have put together is insane.
Yeah its got such a hardcore fanbase trying to put things together. That Mossbag guy made a career out of it on Youtube. Hopefully we get Silksong soon.
 

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Cheers man!

Enough practice is something I'm certainly getting! Those flying yokes that fire crystals at you are my new nemesis!

I think I may need to finally buy a proper controller for the Switch. This game has my thumbs worn to the bone on the joy cons.
You can hit there crystals when they shoot them. Stand directly underneath and upstrike where possible. (Upstriking is the most important strike in the game)
 

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Yeah its got such a hardcore fanbase trying to put things together. That Mossbag guy made a career out of it on Youtube. Hopefully we get Silksong soon.
I think it's his video I watched.

I still don't know what that black Spirited Away looking thing I found on some corner somewhere was... I still remember seeing it and freaking out... Then never found it again.
 

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I'm up to about a 33% win rate against Absolute Radiance, I'll probably try and bump that up to 50% before going back to the Pantheon. Working my way through the remaining medals to break things up.

 

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I'm up to about a 33% win rate against Absolute Radiance, I'll probably try and bump that up to 50% before going back to the Pantheon. Working my way through the remaining medals to break things up.

I wish I was half the player you are.
 

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Do you have 3.5 hours available? That's what took this guy to achieve 112%. Would probably take me 3.5 lives. :lol:

I've started playing this on this other work laptop we have. Brilliant, so far. Thankfully haven't gotten badly stuck anywhere but I'm sure that'll happen fairly quickly.
 

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I wish I had that kind of patience, but it's a step too far for me I fear. I did the first pantheon but I despise the Oblobbles so much I don't even want to try the second. :lol: Although I would like to fight Paintmaster Sheo. It's still installed on my PS4 but I haven't touched in a while, might pick it up again later.
 

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I wish I had that kind of patience, but it's a step too far for me I fear. I did the first pantheon but I despise the Oblobbles so much I don't even want to try the second. :lol: Although I would like to fight Paintmaster Sheo. It's still installed on my PS4 but I haven't touched in a while, might pick it up again later.
Remember when you were having a tough time with Nosk and now you've done pretty much everything. Trial of the fool is still the hardest main game thing and you did that alright.

But I get not doing Godhome. I'm having a blast but the way some of the bosses/variations are ringed off behind long grindy challenges is the one possible misstep of the game. You have the first 4 Pantheon end bosses who are new and then the last pantheon has 4 new boss variations. That's a lot of grind to access the full content - even if you are up to skill. And it's bloody good content too, and not just throw away stuff.

I've got another new game that I want to get into soon but I think I'm going to have to at least finish the final Pantheon first, while the muscle memory holds. Then I can come and go for the last few medals and attempt them at leisure.
 

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Remember when you were having a tough time with Nosk and now you've done pretty much everything. Trial of the fool is still the hardest main game thing and you did that alright.

But I get not doing Godhome. I'm having a blast but the way some of the bosses/variations are ringed off behind long grindy challenges is the one possible misstep of the game. You have the first 4 Pantheon end bosses who are new and then the last pantheon has 4 new boss variations. That's a lot of grind to access the full content - even if you are up to skill. And it's bloody good content too, and not just throw away stuff.

I've got another new game that I want to get into soon but I think I'm going to have to at least finish the final Pantheon first, while the muscle memory holds. Then I can come and go for the last few medals and attempt them at leisure.
Yeah I didn't think I'd get to this point back then, but it only happened because I was having fun. I think I've ran out of fun in Godhome. I'm not interested in Absolute Radiance, as it's just a variation (mostly just faster), but Oro & Mato, Sheo and Sly are completely new bosses, so I can see myself going for the ones I'm missing. Problem is I've started playing Cuphead now, won't be long until that game has replaced all of my muscle memory.
 

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Yeah I didn't think I'd get to this point back then, but it only happened because I was having fun. I think I've ran out of fun in Godhome. I'm not interested in Absolute Radiance, as it's just a variation (mostly just faster), but Oro & Mato, Sheo and Sly are completely new bosses, so I can see myself going for the ones I'm missing. Problem is I've started playing Cuphead now, won't be long until that game has replaced all of my muscle memory.
I was thinking of getting this soon. Any good?