How close is Aguero to Henry/Shearer?

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    padr81 Mr. MoneyBags

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    Last season was his best ever for goals and assists. This season he's on course to better last. I find this a strange thing I read time and again about Sergio.

    He's a different player this season to last now he's got his knee and hamstrings repaired too. This is his best season in terms of assists, he regularly leads the press, has been found in our own box defending.

    All stuff he never did before and he still maintains his crazy goals per minute. He's not as explosive as he once was I'll give you that but Sergio is a better player by some distance than 4-5 years ago.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    As did Henry, free kicks, outside the box, inside the box, left foot, right foot, back heels, you name it Henry did it. I think Ruud left United having only ever scoring 1 goal outside the penality area.

    They're different type of strikers but lets be honest Henry had far more in his locker than Ruud.
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    Sauldogba New Member

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    How many goals did Ruud score outside the box ? infact how many did he score with his head himself?
    Not many i think?
    You could make an argument for Shearer but i think henry was more versatile.He had a lot more to his game than Shearer so i would choose him.
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    padr81 Mr. MoneyBags

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    I don't think they do, in his time at the club he's flown under the radar a bit, only last season to KDB and in the 13/14 season to Yaya has he not been the best player for us that season, despite others scooping up the awards imho.
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    Eckers99 Michael Corleone says hello

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    If I could have any of them in their prime I'd take Shearer. Toss a coin between Henry and Aguero but probably just about Henry.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Feels to me that this is Aguero's best season for a while, I had the feeling that he didn't impact the big games anymore (certainly went a few seasons without scoring against us having done so in every single game before that) but this year he's gone and got important goals against us, Liverpool and now a hattrick against Arsenal
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    hellohello Full Member

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    Why did people think that? What made Pep not fancy him? Must be something he saw.
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    padr81 Mr. MoneyBags

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    He never scores at OT or Anfield for some reason but almost always scores vs both teams at the Etihad. 100% he's having a better season this term in the big games.
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    Jeffthered Full Member

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    And who do you think would score more goals? Over a season, choose your best ever Premiership team, and put Shearer, Henry and Van Nistelrooy at their peak as their lead striker, who do you think would score the most goals.

    I don't care about goals from outside the box by the main striker. One or two maybe.. but Kane, Aguero.. even Messi etc.. all their goals are in that penalty box, where it matters.

    I am less worried about this highlight football. It's interesting that Ole said this about Martial and Rashford.... score plenty of great looking goals.. but how many tap in, deflections etc ...

    Real goalscorers are special and increasingly rare.
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    ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg Full Member

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    Shearer every day of the week. Even with his injuries he was a great player. If he didn’t have those two ligament injuries, or if they happened in this day and age he wouldn’t have lost 1/2 page.

    As a Utd fan, I’ve only been really anxious about having to face two strikers, one was Ronaldo (fat) the other was Shearer.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    I wouldn't say never, like I said when he first came to the league he scored home and away in every bloody game. Even when we battered you 4-2 at OT under LVG he still got two that game as well. I thought those days were behind us and then he went and scored against us earlier this season the prick

    Great player though :lol:
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Hang on you dont care about goals outside the box and yet you're lambasting Henry for not scoring headers? And championing RVN and Shearer for scoring all types of goals? Lets face it you haven't a clue what you're on about now :houllier::lol:

    Oh and just an FYI during their years in the PL together

    01/02 Henry 24 league goals v RVN 23 league goals
    02/03 Henry 24 v RVN 25
    03/04 Henry 30 v RVN 20
    04/05 Henry 25 v RVN 6
    05/06 Henry 27 v RNV 21

    So that answers the first question in your post as well
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    Adam-Utd Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    Shearer really was an idiot for going back to Newcastle so early. People could be talking about him so much more highly if he joined United at that point. Glad he didn't though as he's a prick and he didn't deserve all our trophies.
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    Yes, Henry is better than RVN.
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    Matt007a Full Member

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    Ruud did a great job for us and was a prolific scorer, but he wasn't in the same league as Henry. Henry scored the same amount of goals while also being one of the league's best assist makers. Not to mention he could collect the ball in fairly non threatening position and still go through people like they weren't there and score. RVN relied heavily on the service of other players, as do all the great fox in the box forwards.
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    hellohello Full Member

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    This is not true though, especially not for Messi. Any central striker should score most of his goals inside the penalty area, but neither of those three are limited box players, perhaps Aguero to an extent? I haven't watched him enough.
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    Perhaps — you'll know better, of course. From an outside perspective, I thought that Toure-Silva-Agüero were always around the same level of importance for your pre-Pep team, freak Toure's season aside (it's like arguing who is the best one out of Giggs-Beckham-Scholes). With Kompany, perhaps, making a surprise appearance here and there. With Pep's team, there are also a few that are close to him (Silva, Sterling?), with De Bruyne at his best standing out.
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    Jeffthered Full Member

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    This is a generational thing, I am certain. I haven't the time for stats etc, but I would be interested to know who played more games.. not just Premiership by the way. And take inti account RVN had some horrendous injuries. But I take your point.

    When I state that RVN and Shearer scored all types of goals, I mean left foot, right foot, head, tap-in's.. set piece headers etc.. v ugly goals, like the vast majority of goals scored.

    Henry scored an amazing amount of amazing goals. But would I prefer a centre forward who scored regularly with his head, or the occasional 'wordly' from outside the box? I would take the first.. and I suspect many managers would.

    But Henry did bring the 'assists' into the role of a forward, more than any other player in the Premiership. I give him that. But out-and-out goalscorer?
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    Jeffthered Full Member

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    So, who is the better goalscorer then? Not better 'all-round player.. more assists... can go past players... and he also did this and that' I am not debating that, Henry wins that argument hands down.

    But I just do not think that Henry was better than either RVN or Shearer in out-and-out goalscoring. Not worst necessarily, but not necessarily better. Interestingly enough, I think Aguero is a better finisher than all of the above.

    Good debate though.
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    El Jefe Full Member

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    I've seen two of your posts on Henry and really have to question if you watched him enough or maybe you've just forgotten. Henry's allround game was in a different league to Aguero's as evidenced by his assist numbers (which he still holds the PL single season record), goals out of nothing, free kicks, dribbling. I really could go on and on.

    Goalscoring stats is where the comparison ends with them. Anything else Henry is much better.
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    lex talionis Full Member

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    Ruud only played 5 seasons for us, so perhaps he should knocked out of consideration in this discussion on that basis alone. But 150 goals in 218 appearances is ridiculous. That works out to .68 goals per appearance (I don't have a per minutes calculation at my fingertips.)

    Henry scored 228 goals in 377 appearances for Arsenal which works out to .60 goals per appearance.

    Not sure if the numbers are updated to reflect yesterday but for Aguero I'm looking at 157 goals in 198 appearances for City, which works out to .79 goals per appearance. Madness.

    Ronaldo scored 118 goals in 292 appearances for United, but as everyone knows Cristiano left OT before he hit his prime. Still, his exploits for United were phenomenal, which includes winning a CL trophy -- which can't be said of Henry, Shearer, Ruud or Aguero.

    Aguero is most definitely in the conversation as the greatest PL goal scorer, but clearly so are Henry and Ruud and of course Shearer.
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    I think Ruud was a fantastic player, I just don’t think it can be argued that he was just as good as Henry. I’d put Aguero above RVN too. I don’t really like rating Shearer as I was too young to remember him at Blackburn and Southampton and can only go off his Newcastle days, where admittedly he was excellent.

    Ronaldo was phenomenal of course but because he left United fairly early I find it easier just to avoid ranking him in these discussions.
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    RooneyLegend Full Member

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    That's a lie. His numbers are great but that isn't all that hard to achieve in this City side which is a genuine level above the ones he played for years ago. I mean, most of the goals barely need work. In his prime, he used to produce out of nothing. Take that Kun and throw him in the current side and he'd put up ludicrous numbers.

    The current Kun is a level below that one and also a level below Shearer and Henry in their prime but that one in the past was on par with them. During the Suarez season him and Kun were dueling it out until Kun got injured then everyone forgot the level he was at.
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    padr81 Mr. MoneyBags

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    It's not a lie. His numbers are the same, but his all round play and workrate are noticeably better in this team. He's said himself getting his knee repaired when he got a month off last season was the best thing thats happened him, what we're seeing this season is the Kun of 13/14 combined with the more intelligent harder working Kun of Pep. People who say otherwise just aren't watching. Easily his best season in a City shirt for me. In 24 appearances in the Premier League and CL he has 22 goal involvements, and 3 of those games were off the bench (16 goals and 6 assists). There is nothing in his numbers to suggest he's a worse player now than in his first seasons, a different player most certainly, worse? Not in a million years.
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    RooneyLegend Full Member

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    The lie is that he's the same level or a better player, not the numbers. As I said this City team is so good getting numbers is easier than it was before. Gosh, even Sterling put up huge numbers in that side. Moving Kun from back then and giving him a full season would equal ridiculous numbers. He's still a world class player, just not the talismanic force he was before.
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    lysglimt Full Member

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    Aguero imo is right up there with a lot of strikers who are behind Shearer and Henry. But Shearer during his time at Blackburn was simply frightening. He didn't have David Silva, Raheem Sterling, Leroy Sane to supply him with assists - and yet he scored 112 goals in 138 matches during a time when a lot of the teams had really good defenders (unlike today when there is more focus on attack)

    So Shearer, Henry - and then a bunch of strikers - RvP, Rooney, Aguero, Owen, RvN, Fowler etc
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    lysglimt Full Member

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    Shearer was much better at Blackburn than he was at Newcastle - because he lost a bit of pace after one of his serious injuries (I think it was in 1997) - and he was never quite the same after that. But in his first few seasons at Blackburn he had the pace to match everything else he had...simply scaring.
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    At their absolute peaks as a striker, I would even take RVP over Aguero. RVP was much more intelligent, better finisher and his best season once again trump anything Aguero has ever done in his career. Aguero benefits from playing in a heavily attacking team and yet he still can't put up Henry, Suarez and even RVP numbers at their best.

    He's just not a very intelligent player. Before he was a long shot merchant that would shot from stupid distances. At least he had the ability to dribble consistently back then. Now it's a bit embarrassing watching him trying to dribble.

    Aguero is nowhere near either Henry or Shearer pre injury. EVen Rooney in 09/10 performed at a higher level than Agueri ever has in his career.

    Again there is a reason he is rarely if ever been in contention for best player in the league....
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    Fridge chutney Full Member

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    Not sure how he'll stand up to Shearer or Henry on the balance of his career, but he'll go down as one of the Premier League's best ever strikers.
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    Henry is a different type of player. Agüero, Shearer and Ruud are similar in their roles and what they bring/brought their teams whilst Henry did more than just finish off attacks, he was generally the most creative player as well. Agüero should be talked about with Shearer as being the best striker in the PL, assuming Henry is a forward and not a striker (bit of pedantry). Other strikers don't have the consistent longevity of quality as those two, Kane might get there.
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    cyberman Full Member

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    Excellent player but here's something missing that sees him fall short of Henry etc.
    I don't know what it is. Maybe its that bit of physicality, that athleticism.
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    Sandikan aka sex on the beach

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    You what? Aguero has scored plenty at old trafford.it's anfield he never scores at.
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    padr81 Mr. MoneyBags

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    My bad there is a 2nd ground, I just can't remember it.
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    Bojan11 Full Member

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    Stamford Bridge?
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    padr81 Mr. MoneyBags

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    Has a good record v Chelsea, maybe its just feels that way at OT because he scores buckets vs Arsenal, Spurs and the rest.
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    Hmmm
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    11th hattrick, joint highest with Shearer.
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    starman Full Member

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    Not sure if the stats are including today game but 160 goals in 229 games, thats insane. Might not end up beating Shearer but almost certainly will end up 2nd on PL all-time scorers if he stays till end of his career
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    MDFC Manager Full Member

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    Doing nothing to change my opinion
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    Mick321 New Member

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    Great player. Disappointing he's spent his whole prime at a small club.