There wasn't this analysis of ridiculous proportions that we see now. You didn't even have to justify why it made for a great rivalry as Carragher has tried to.
I grew up a united fan in the 80s in NW England.
Liverpool united is something altogether different. If we were both on top and competing it would be a stress fest. I’m stressing over next weekend already. I suppose fans new to this who maybe started watching after uniteds glory years might not get it if they don’t have family members friends ect. who didn’t indoctrinate them into the historical hatred between the two teams. Most of us had no choice. Not the same with city. That’s just a competitive rivalry.
You've nowt to stress about.
Social media didnt exist back then. Now someone says something or write it and it spreads around like a wildfire.
A counter-argument to what exactly?
Its on Tuesday.
When I started following United back in the day I didnt know rivalry existed but got to know it afterwards.The way they willfully blind themselves to City's sportswashing and breaches of FFP is ridiculous, I agree.
For me it is, due to what you said in the 1st paragraph.
Isn’t that because Liverpool went on that huge run where they had the league wrapped up by Christmas? Last year wasn’t close between the two, the year before wasn’t neither. It just seems like two close seasons out of 4 can bluff you into thinking they’re constantly going toe to toe with each other if the 2 non close seasons swing exactly the same way points wise.Haven't City got just one more point in total than Pool over the last four years?
And both teams are averaging very nearly 90 points a season over the same period.....
I also recall City won by one point one year where they had to win their last umpteen games on the spin to do so.
Also, both teams have hit more than 90 points in 2 out of 3 seasons, with this season very likely to make it 3 out of four which no one else has got anywhere near consistently since football began c1992....
All this bearing in mind Pool were absolutely shite last year....
Breaks my heart to say it but the reality is that but for those Scouse fookers it would indeed be a one horse league...
I mean it is a rivalry in real life if it follows the definition of one.. You guys are strawmanning that a rivalry has to be some Connor McGregor toxic bullshit when it clearly doesn't and I've given examples of classic rivalries that were not near as toxic as football fans seem to think they have to be.
I didnt write any of bolded parts and I had to google Steve Davis and Jimmy White. I mean you really cant compare football and snooker, come on. Especially the rivalry part..
Yeah, oil and TV money has destroyed the heart of football and the fact a supposed city fan is poopooing that as wannabe hard man stuff is hilarious
We're talking about rivalry here, what are you on about? We were literally discussing the rivalry between City and Liverpool in the thread when you came in raving about grammar and sentence structure, usually clear signs of someone who has no valid argument against the debated subject but its turns out despite the thread title you didn't even know the subject. My apologies for thinking you were paying attention to the thread.
Again nonsense. The heart was being ripped out of football since long before Chelsea nevermind City.
I'm saying that the players care less than they used to
Not sure what you’re suggesting about Old Trafford but if it’s the rebuild after the bombing then it’s nothing alike tbh
That's not the case, is it? I mean, City fans may consider Liverpool and United as their rivals (one competitive and the other tribal) but we don't feel the same way about you, not anymore anyway. Not since your club sold its soul for a few trophies, all of which are considered illegitimate/false/not genuine by the majority.
Federer and Nadal. A rivalry is a rivalry. It's not different because its football. Some are hostile some are not. I don't get where rivalry has to mean hostility.
The point is what you think has nothing to do with rivalry, nor what I think. We're not rivals right now because you guys are kinda shit. We weren't rivals before our take over either when you were hoovering up trophies and we were in League 1 or even in the same division and even shitter. Its just we're not really competing on the same level for the same things right now or back then. In fact the only time since the late 60's early 70's we've really been rivals has been Ferguson vs Mancini and for LVG's final season and half of Jose's first.
You might wanna go further back. John Henry Davies funded your move to Old Trafford, its not even a secret.
They're rivals but I love (most of) them. I still maintain Klopper is the best oppo poster on the forums. (i've made so many typos today have to edit every post)
Nothing could make me feel good about my club's current level. We're a shambolic mess right now, a pitiful shadow of our former selves. But - and yes there is a but - we expect our fortunes to improve over the coming seasons after the numerous structural changes taking place at the club this summer, post-Ed Woodward. Not to mention bringing in one of the most highly thought of coaches in Europe.
Not sure how the chairman funding a new stadium is the same as being given one for free by the local council?
It all depends on the teams doesn’t it. Liverpool united could have best friends as coaches but the team and fan hatred is still there. We don’t need hard men to keep that going. Never will need it.
So if team A win 3 titles out of 4 and team B win the other one but 2 out of team A's 3 titles are achieved by beating team B by a single point over both seasons that doesn't count as a rivalry and makes it a virtual one horse race?
He built it out of his own pocket. Free stadium.
He’s was the chairman of the club. Not the local council.
Says the Barcelona fan
Yeah, it's horrible.
Absolutely. What's the point otherwise? Imagine we beat the Dippers next week. I want to see snarling faces and riled up fans. Handshakes refused and all that. Too bad it's a pipe dream with our current state of affairs.
Didn’t you turn on the sprinklers when he won with Inter
The more bitter the rivalry the better imo.
This.
