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How do Barcelona rebuild?
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Barca have a substantial depth, but with their status and brand they can get out of most of it. Especially when they get Messi off their books in the summer or in 2-3 years.
For them the challenge will be to stay competitive.
They can’t buy world class players such as Haaland.
They’ll have to rely on their youth, including their academy La Masia.
Luckily for them they have their best generation since the Messi, Pique, Fabregas-generation.
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For them the challenge will be to stay competitive.
They can’t buy world class players such as Haaland.
They’ll have to rely on their youth, including their academy La Masia.
Luckily for them they have their best generation since the Messi, Pique, Fabregas-generation.
Keep an eye on:
- Ansu Fati
- Illaix Moriba
- Gavi (the most talented; he will be even better than Pedri)
- Alejandro Balde
- Alejandro Orellana
- Konrad de la Fuente
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Get the Catalonia government to buy their training ground for 1B and lease it back to them for 1 euro a year?
Fans were saying the same about Madrid a few years ago with their youth drive.
Football isnt this easy
Also forgot to mention their non-academy youngsters who starts for them this season:
- Pedri (undisputed starter at 18 years of age and the most capped player this season for Barca)
- Sergiño Dest
- Ronald Araújo
Real Madrid was earlier in the process. They never integrated their youth players into the first team. But de Jong, Fati, Dest, Pedri, Mingueza and Araujo are already starters, they've made the most difficult step. The only players who started for Madrid back then were Vinicius and maybe Valverde. Hakimi, Diaz, Ödegaard, Jovic, Ceballos and Reinier never got that far before they had to leave. Rodrygo and Militao aren't that established either. Madrid had brillant perspective but didn't manage to get the best out of those youngsters. Koeman does that brillantly for Barca at the moment, and he is even willing to send a few star players to the bench for that (Coutinho, Pjanic, even Griezmann at times).
They also got Eric Garcia coming back.
Doesnt really change the fact Perez was hailed as some forward thinking genius for all of the young players they signed and now its seen as a disaster window.
It seems Barca have had 1000 future young 11 players lineups for a decade now and it just hasnt worked out that way. Players either peak early, peak late or just fall off. Progress isnt linear for one player never mind 11 of them at once to the point they can also compete against the elite
Riqui is key for me. He's not got as many minutes this season as the others but when he finally gets the minutes alongside de Jong and Pedri, it'll be a treat.
I think that's result oriented thinking. It was the right course at the time. Madrid were pretty unlucky with how their transfers went out. That's different to Barca, for example, whose big money signings didn't even make sense. I mean, they payed
45m for Vinicius
17m for Diaz
24m for Hernandez
45m for Rodrygo
50m for Militao
48m for Mendy
63m for Jovic
30m for Reinier
17m for Ceballos
38m for Kovacic
Mendy is already a success, Vinicius was also definitely worth the 45m. Rodrygo is still likely to come good. Theo Hernandez was sold for a small los, Kovacic for a profit. They will probably make a profit with Diaz, too. The jury is still out on Militao and Reinier. Jovic was most likely a fail. Not too bad.
They also basically got for free:
Ödegaard
Hakimi
Valverde
Llorente
Kubo
Reguilon
And made huge profits with Hakimi, Reguilon and Llorente. They spent a lot but distributed the investment very well. Not much risk associated, even now that many players didn't develop as hoped.
Puig is class. Loved him last season and was totally expecting him to do well. Unfortunately, Koeman doesn't seem to be his biggest fan. Pedri, Puig and Moriba - just unreal.
Barcelona's rebuild is dependent on Laporte coming up with the €800mil credit line he promised. Apparently Messi wont consider signing a new deal until he sees proof of this credit line. If laporte has it and can prove it all bets are off on who Barcelona can sign this summer.
Rumours abound that Barca might be in for Aguero at the end of the season. Hell of a partnership for a season or two, that'd be.
To a degree, yeah, but Puig rejected to be loaned away and remained. To his credit he's gotten more minutes than Koeman originally told him he'd get (which is none lol), and even got on the field instead of Pjanic on a number of occasions. Actually I think next season will be Puig's big breakout.
Any rumors going around about Coutinho? Without ever watching Barca, it seems as if there's no place for him there, so you would think they'd want to recoup some of the money they paid. That transfer has to one of the worst for the buying club in history.
Personally id like to see Messi move on. Its now or never. He's broken every record for Barca including Pele's record for goals for one club and xavi's appearence record. Even if he moves to City id like to see him in the PL before he's completely finished. Barcalona arent going to win anymore CL's for a long time.
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Yeah, their crisis are not comparable to EPL teams. Chelsea, United, Liverpool can finish mid table in a crisis where as Barcelona lost the league by 5 points, made the CL semis and everyone needs replacing
So latest seems to be that the funding that Laporta (as any Barcelona persident) needs to put up financial guarantees for 15% of Barcelonas budget for the next year, €126mil. This wasn't supposed to be a problem, but the man providing the funding joao mergiro has stepped away and resigned his position. A problem for Laporta.
Also Messi wants the money hes owned (Barcelona owe Messi €60mil in back payments). Also Messi doesn't want to take a paycut on any new deal.
Koeman wants Depay over Aguero on a free. God only knows why.
Transfer Window podcast.
Also Messi wants the money hes owned (Barcelona owe Messi €60mil in back payments). Also Messi doesn't want to take a paycut on any new deal.
Koeman wants Depay over Aguero on a free. God only knows why.
Transfer Window podcast.
it’s about half as bad as the hazard deal. We are going to try to dump him on arsenal
Aguero is injury prone, old whereas depay is 5 years younger and much cheaper.
God knows why we need an aging injury prone striker. Depay has had his injuries but Koeman has worked with him before
Yeah, forgot about him. But those two have to be the worst when considering cost and impact on the field. I'm still surprised by Coutinho's lack of success as I loved him at Liverpool and was sure he was the perfect Barca player.
Sell everybody, play the kids and piece a starting 11 back together window by window.
Keep the keeper.
Keep the keeper.
it seems coutinho griezman and Messi all like to occupy the same space on the pitch. I had high hopes for coutinho and am surprised how everything played out. I knew we purchased him to fund a CL winning team. Just didn’t realize it was going to be in liverpool
rebuild the finances first. Then use La masia to rebuild around the few first teamers that can be kept
I hope we can mooch some of them like we did with Jurado in the summer.
How do they rebuild? They have to do it without Messi. Simple
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Yeah, I can actually see this happening..
I think Koeman has done a phenomanal job..
He started off the season with a lot of point drops, but to be fair to him:
* Obviously, managing the whole COVID situations
* He had the whole unhappy Messi saga going on to manage. The whole contract/transfer dilemma bomb was dropped just after he started.
* He came into a very non-performing side where I think confidence was at a historic low after the Bayern debacle the season before
* He was expected to really do a rebuild in the side giving a lot of changes to relatively unproven/unknown youngers..
* In the background there was the whole organizational thing with the Presidential elections where some contenders where already stating bringing in a new coach (Xavi, Poch) before he even started.
* Barcelona is in a huge huge huge financial crisis and throughout the season there was a lot of unease (also in the squad) about the wage drops. Moreover he hardly had any money last summer to bring in new players. Only Dest, Pjanic, Pedri, Trincao came in.
* Forced with the Suarez departure without bringing in proper replacement.
Then going in to the season their biggest talent Ansu Fati got heavily injured not even 2 months into the season...
Looking at the state of their team now...
* Still full in the race for La Liga with 8 matches to go..
* Cup winner, with a very convincing performance in the final yesterday.
* Messi seems genuinely happy to play for this team. Looking at his reactions on the pitch yesterday, the way he celebrated, the way he talked after the game.. Ofcourse you can argue this should be normal (and I agree), but consider how far away this felt like in the beginning of the year.
* He got the most of out some players who where struggling the year(s) before. Frenkie de Jong has been amazing this season in various positions (as a #8 scoring goals, as a #6 playmaker or as a third defender in a back three.) Dembele is uncomparable to the player who was at Barcelona the years before. He plays with a lot more freedom and is more able to play to his strenghts. (if he will only starts scoring converting changes as well....). There is a lot less controverse about Griezmann in the team, the position he plays in and how he plays together with Messi..
* He really gave a lot of changes and a lot of responsibilyt to the youngsters. From the start of the season he gave the then 17 Pedri a lot of responsibility in Central Midfield, didnt compromise there when results were dissapointing (which is very often the easy thing to do)... And look how Pedri developed.. Incredible improvement throughout the season.. Besides that players such as Dest, Mingueza, Araujo, Trincao, Puig, Moriba are all starters/valuable members of the squad, who are (some more than others obviously) granted with a lot of minutes as well..
* He found a tactical approach where he gets the most out of his significant players. Setien never managed to play Busquest and Frenke both together. Dest was exposed in a back 4 but now excels on the right. Messi has a lot of freedom of play without that having significant restrictions on players like Dembele and Griezmann.
Nothing but respect for Koemand and his performance, both on the pitch and off the pitch (the whole attitude around the club)..
There is a lot to look forward to..
He started off the season with a lot of point drops, but to be fair to him:
* Obviously, managing the whole COVID situations
* He had the whole unhappy Messi saga going on to manage. The whole contract/transfer dilemma bomb was dropped just after he started.
* He came into a very non-performing side where I think confidence was at a historic low after the Bayern debacle the season before
* He was expected to really do a rebuild in the side giving a lot of changes to relatively unproven/unknown youngers..
* In the background there was the whole organizational thing with the Presidential elections where some contenders where already stating bringing in a new coach (Xavi, Poch) before he even started.
* Barcelona is in a huge huge huge financial crisis and throughout the season there was a lot of unease (also in the squad) about the wage drops. Moreover he hardly had any money last summer to bring in new players. Only Dest, Pjanic, Pedri, Trincao came in.
* Forced with the Suarez departure without bringing in proper replacement.
Then going in to the season their biggest talent Ansu Fati got heavily injured not even 2 months into the season...
Looking at the state of their team now...
* Still full in the race for La Liga with 8 matches to go..
* Cup winner, with a very convincing performance in the final yesterday.
* Messi seems genuinely happy to play for this team. Looking at his reactions on the pitch yesterday, the way he celebrated, the way he talked after the game.. Ofcourse you can argue this should be normal (and I agree), but consider how far away this felt like in the beginning of the year.
* He got the most of out some players who where struggling the year(s) before. Frenkie de Jong has been amazing this season in various positions (as a #8 scoring goals, as a #6 playmaker or as a third defender in a back three.) Dembele is uncomparable to the player who was at Barcelona the years before. He plays with a lot more freedom and is more able to play to his strenghts. (if he will only starts scoring converting changes as well....). There is a lot less controverse about Griezmann in the team, the position he plays in and how he plays together with Messi..
* He really gave a lot of changes and a lot of responsibilyt to the youngsters. From the start of the season he gave the then 17 Pedri a lot of responsibility in Central Midfield, didnt compromise there when results were dissapointing (which is very often the easy thing to do)... And look how Pedri developed.. Incredible improvement throughout the season.. Besides that players such as Dest, Mingueza, Araujo, Trincao, Puig, Moriba are all starters/valuable members of the squad, who are (some more than others obviously) granted with a lot of minutes as well..
* He found a tactical approach where he gets the most out of his significant players. Setien never managed to play Busquest and Frenke both together. Dest was exposed in a back 4 but now excels on the right. Messi has a lot of freedom of play without that having significant restrictions on players like Dembele and Griezmann.
Nothing but respect for Koemand and his performance, both on the pitch and off the pitch (the whole attitude around the club)..
There is a lot to look forward to..
Koeman has done superbly
That’s Griezemann’s first domestic medal isn’t it?
Quick check told me he won the Domenstic Supercup in 2014/2015.. But apart from that you are right indeed!
He won the secunda division with Sociedad, so no it's not his first domestic medal.
FTFY
Aguero and Messi never had a great partnership for Argentina did they? Which is a shame because he was a hell of a player in prime. Even some of his goals before he moved to City were mental.
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That’S a good one. Get rid of the best player in the world.
Yeh because i said to sell him didnt i. They can't rebuild properly until he goes, the money saved would be astronomical. Not hard concept to grasp
What about the money they'd lose from not having him around? Both on and off the pitch. When you're negotiating with potential sponsors, being able to point to having the best player in the world on your team must help. Same goes for tourists coming to their stadium, just to watch Messi play.
Barcelona aren't some mom and pop shop. They'd have run the numbers and realised that Messi is worth more to them than his salary. I think one of their directors/presidents even said so. That Messi is responsible for 1/3 (?) of their revenue.