How does the PL reset itself without damaging itself against other European competitions?

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Prices have gone crazy, where teams are automatically quoting 70m+ if you enquire about a PL player.

How can PL teams stop the prices inflating as a collective, without damping their hopes in European competitions and still maintaining enough local talent?
 
There is no "reset" to be had. These are the market prices now. There is more money in the league and in the sport than ever before.
 
Enforce the financial fair play rules on every club, not just those trying to grow. We’ve seen Everton, Palace, Forest all slammed with point deductions, meanwhile Chelsea get away with transfer bans and City are still just riding these 150+ charges

It’s a joke. Prices would stabilise if the filthy rich clubs stop getting away with the amount they spend when it’s beyond their means
 
The pl won't reset itself, this is where we are and things will get worse long before getting better
 
golden_blunder said:
Prices have gone crazy, where teams are automatically quoting 70m+ if you enquire about a PL player.

How can PL teams stop the prices inflating as a collective, without damping their hopes in European competitions and still maintaining enough local talent?
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They only quote those prices to the big teams. 75% of the premier league teams dont pay those fees and arent asked to. If a premier league player costs too much they look elsewhere. That is and always has been the solution when you feel the premier league players cost too much.
 
Ekeke said:
They only quote those prices to the big teams. 75% of the premier league teams dont pay those fees and arent asked to. If a premier league player costs too much they look elsewhere. That is and always has been the solution when you feel the premier league players cost too much.
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But there has to be control of that too to ensure that local talent doesn’t get left behind

And it’s not just big teams, it’s trickling down. Fulham paid £30m for Shea Charles from the championship. You might say that’s only 30m but that’s relevant to their budget and to the level he comes from. And there are other examples too.
 
It'll end once fans get bored and stop watching games and given the precarious state of the global economy, the PL bubble, and it is a bubble will burst at some point. The levels of fees and wages is not sustainable, its like Serie A in the 90's when clubs were transferring stupid amounts to each other, that burst, the PL will too.
 
No reset will happen but if we enter a new tactical cycle with a move away from man to man pressing and so much intensity, this will help a lot.

The prices for PL players are so high because big clubs worry about buying players from outside who havent shown they can handle the physical demands of the league.

The best scouting clubs like Brentford, Brighton, and Bournemouth are happy to take these gambles. But the clubs with more money and who worry about making CL football often want players with higher floors.
 
The fees are obviously driven by the extent you have a PL buyer on the other end of the phone.

I could see a situation where clubs are shipping huge losses on trying to flog players outside of the PL where the buying power isn't there. Man United have been having this issue for years, but we are a behemoth and can weather that (to an extent). Now you have a lot of clubs dropping £60-70m on fairly average players. If the pool of willing PL buyers dries up that could end badly.

I don't know what ultimately causes that though, because the financial power of PL clubs doesn't look to be ending anytime soon. New entrants & fragmentation of the TV rights by streaming services? More regulation? Hard to see right now.
 
Develop more confidence in your scouting and data to find players that you believe will be a success in the league.

I imagine young talents will all be demanding reasonable release clauses when signing for the midtable Prem clubs moving forward.
 
How are people surprised about the fees? Do you think that Roy Keane would still be 3.75m Pounds?
 
I think teams need to start shopping outside the PL market. Sangare, Andrés, these are good deals. But what really needs to be halted is clubs selling off their academy talents to balance the books, that’s become crazy.
 
maximus419 said:
It'll end once fans get bored and stop watching games and given the precarious state of the global economy, the PL bubble, and it is a bubble will burst at some point. The levels of fees and wages is not sustainable, its like Serie A in the 90's when clubs were transferring stupid amounts to each other, that burst, the PL will too.
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If the PL is a bubble that's about to burst why did Amazon pay £1.65 billion for 30% of Liverpool in August?
Jeff Bezos thinks the Premier League has immense growth potential, as do many other USA investors.
As for fans getting bored, the international demand for viewing live Premiership football is off the scale. A situation heightened in the States by the last WC which stimulated viewers interest in the sport.

Who to believe? Your view that fees and wages are unsustainable which will lead to the PL going bust, or the opinion of one of the worlds wealthiest men who thinks the PL has enormous financial potential?
You can't both be right.
 
I don't believe the PL is a bubble as this growth has been going on decades. The last TV deal, perhaps, showed that things are slowing down, though. IIRC, it was not a big increase, at all.

Either way, the PL overpaying for players between each other, is doing jack shit to improve the quality of the league. It's not like lots of great players have been bought from abroad. I suspect other leagues are laughing at the fees rather than any jealously.
 
To drive the point home a bit, the league is currently operating in a different galaxy than everyone else









Think buying outside of the league may be the only way to avoid inflating the current PL bubble
 
The reset will only happen if the big transfers fail. If they succeed, obviously a reset won't be needed because everything is working like it's supposed to.

United are trying skip the current clamour for PL proven players by focusing on young up-and-comer signings like Heaven, Thompson and (hopefully at some stage) Page. This will eventually be where the market shifts, imho.
 
I think high fees are a good thing. It means at least some of the money is flowing down the pyramide.

One way of solving this would be distributing the money more evenly. This will only get worse until the natural monopoly is broken up. Of course the big clubs and their fans don't want that. What they want is to still be able to poach every player they choose without paying a fair compensation for it ;)
 
golden_blunder said:
But there has to be control of that too to ensure that local talent doesn’t get left behind

And it’s not just big teams, it’s trickling down. Fulham paid £30m for Shea Charles from the championship. You might say that’s only 30m but that’s relevant to their budget and to the level he comes from. And there are other examples too.
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There are always one offs. Like when Watkins was signed for £29 million coming from Championship Brentford to the Premier League. I thought it was too much for a Championship player. But that was 6 years ago and we havent seen it since
 
You dont. You cant do one without doing the other. You recognise that having a broken league thats 'winning' against european leagues isn't actually desirable or positive and having a functional league that isn't as dominant would be preferable.
Stop letting them weaponise competition from elsewhere to maintain the broken shit they've created.
 
There is something odd how multiple clubs just start throwing around. Are these fees just a big gamble play and coincidence, and in a couple of seasons they won't be able spend nowhere near or is there circumventing going on.
 
Really good listen. The creative accounting in the PL this summer. Suggestion that UEFA implement a base value transfer system where UEFA set the players price according to a guide. Like the CEIS valuation system.

 
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dinostar77 said:
Really good listen. The creative accounting in the PL this summer. Suggestion that UEFA implement a base value transfer system where UEFA set the players price according to a guide. Like the CEIS valuation system.

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That would still benefit the premier league, they’d end up spending the same money and just hoarding more players.
 
redshaw said:
There is something odd how multiple clubs just start throwing around. Are these fees just a big gamble play and coincidence, and in a couple of seasons they won't be able spend nowhere near or is there circumventing going on.
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I think it's something to do with those new financial rules in the Premier League, SCR (squad cost ratio) as opposed to PSR (Profit and sustainability rules).

I may have got it all wrong though, I'm not the brightest!

There's two possible factors within that as well. To be able to play in UEFA competitions, UEFA say you can't be spending more than 70% of your income on net transfer fees and wages etc. For the Premier League it's 85% so when it comes to a team like Spurs who are not in Europe this season they can actually spend a little more than they'd be able to spend than if they were involved in European competition, at least as a percentage of their income. Total spend might be different as it's a higher percentage of a lower turnover with not getting any European prize money.

Premier League's new regulations also allow for an extra amount of spending to be dipped into on top of that for every club. An additional 30% over a certain period of time, I'm not sure how long it is 2 years, 3 years or 5, something like that. It means clubs can spend 85% plus dip into that extra allowance at times over the next few years. They could therefore hit 115% in one year, but then go back 85% in each year of this cycle or spend 95% 3 years in a row for example, taking advantage of 10% of the extra allowance each season for 3 seasons in a row. If I've got that right, it looks like some clubs are wanting to spend a lot of this extra allowance in one go, knowing they'll have to cut back a little next season or the season after, hoping it gives them success in the here and now.

I don't think clubs are even getting banned for Europe if they break the 70% as set down by UEFA, might just fine them, not sure. Looks like that's what they've done in the past - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvgmvzmq604o
 
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If you put in a Premier League only cap for wages and/or transfers you will over time weaken the league unless you reassess the cap relative to the other leagues regularly.

I don't really see it as an issue. As another poster pointed out I'm more interested in rules and punishments being applied fairly ala City and their charges. At least the majority of the big transfer fees seem to be staying in the league.
 
Interesting that Porto see Coventry and Hull as their competitors in the transfer market. Even then they are losing players to these clubs as they cant pay the wages the likes of Coventry and Hull can.

That's mental.
 
Bartondale said:
If the PL is a bubble that's about to burst why did Amazon pay £1.65 billion for 30% of Liverpool in August?
Jeff Bezos thinks the Premier League has immense growth potential, as do many other USA investors.
As for fans getting bored, the international demand for viewing live Premiership football is off the scale. A situation heightened in the States by the last WC which stimulated viewers interest in the sport.

Who to believe? Your view that fees and wages are unsustainable which will lead to the PL going bust, or the opinion of one of the worlds wealthiest men who thinks the PL has enormous financial potential?
You can't both be right.
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Jeff Bezos and Amazon have made various failed investments over the years. He is not an oracle.
 
I would say that the most likely reset will come from the player side. Just this summer we’ve seen prohibitive pricing effectively take players like Hall, Scott and Wharton off the market; all of whom I would think would quite fancy the prospect of moving to a big five club and competing in the champions league. A few more summers of that, and I think players will start to ask for release clauses in return for signing long term contracts. A figure that is fair to both the club and the player. I don’t really see an inorganic avenue for it to occur. Organically it will only happen through release clauses becoming standard or a decline in television money meaning clubs have to be more frugal.
 
Bartondale said:
If the PL is a bubble that's about to burst why did Amazon pay £1.65 billion for 30% of Liverpool in August?
Jeff Bezos thinks the Premier League has immense growth potential, as do many other USA investors.
As for fans getting bored, the international demand for viewing live Premiership football is off the scale. A situation heightened in the States by the last WC which stimulated viewers interest in the sport.

Who to believe? Your view that fees and wages are unsustainable which will lead to the PL going bust, or the opinion of one of the worlds wealthiest men who thinks the PL has enormous financial potential?
You can't both be right.
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Amazon didn't pay $1.65 billion, it was a private Jeff Bezos deal, and he is part of a consortium that he doesn't even lead, I've no idea how much he put in but I bet it was as little of 25% of that amount
 
simonhch said:
I would say that the most likely reset will come from the player side. Just this summer we’ve seen prohibitive pricing effectively take players like Hall, Scott and Wharton off the market; all of whom I would think would quite fancy the prospect of moving to a big five club and competing in the champions league. A few more summers of that, and I think players will start to ask for release clauses in return for signing long term contracts. A figure that is fair to both the club and the player. I don’t really see an inorganic avenue for it to occur. Organically it will only happen through release clauses becoming standard or a decline in television money meaning clubs have to be more frugal.
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Something like this has been happening for a while.

World class players no longer switch clubs via transfers. They have been priced out of the market.

The last time anyone paid a market fee for a proven, world-class player in prime conditions (so not old, not coming from injuries, not in their last year of contract) was, if I'm not mistaken, Barcelona purchasing Antoine Griezmann back in 2019.

From 2009 to 2014 the most expensive transfer each summer was: Cristiano Ronaldo, David Villa, Javier Pastore, Thiago Silva, Gareth Bale, and Luis Suarez. The most expensive transfers in the last six years are Jack Graelish, Antony, Moises Caicedo, Julian Alvarez, Florian Wirtz, and Morgan Rogers. What a downgrade.
 
Do you know bus? Double decker bus can be turned into a banana bus but a banana bus cant be turned into a double decker bus

PL = banana bus
 
maximus419 said:
It'll end once fans get bored and stop watching games and given the precarious state of the global economy, the PL bubble, and it is a bubble will burst at some point. The levels of fees and wages is not sustainable, its like Serie A in the 90's when clubs were transferring stupid amounts to each other, that burst, the PL will too.
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Wholeheartedly agree. This has a last days of Rome feel to it. Like the banks before 2008, the train has runaway and it’s only a matter of time before it derails.

I actually like how compatible sensible were being. If there is a crash in the next few years, I could see us coming out of it quite well.
 
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