How dominant USA would be in comparison to Brazil, France or Spain if their main sport is football?

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    BalanceUnAutreJoint Full Member

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    With their college sport culture? Not dominant at all.
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    Red Keane New Member

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    If the United States had the sort of Academies/Youth Development/Youth Coaching/Local Football + Government Support for Youth Development as lets say France or Germany. Then surely they would be able to make the most of the potential (Association) Football playing Talent base they have which in my view has yet to be fully capitalised under the current academy/youth system, especially those from less well-off/Hispanic backgrounds.
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    Red Keane New Member

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    Which is the end result of decades of investment in our sporting infrastructure (via the National Lottery) and said investment being used properly. Now if the United States applied a similar policy in terms of the development of it's (association) football infrastructure, then it not be hard for them not to replicate similar success in the long-run. Especially when alongside its own local talent base, it can (so long as they get the bigots of their poltical system) capitalise on the fact that it is an attractive nation for would be immigrants (from Latin America especially) who are looking to better themselves, which might well include becoming a professtional football player or seeing their kids become one.
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    criticalanalysis Full Member

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    What you've written is perfectly reasonable with plausible situations but it reads like a Black Mirror episode :lol:
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    Eli Zee New Member

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    Welll it just hasn’t happened, but it’s still possible... doesn't take away from the sport in any way
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    giorno Full Member

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    They'd be even worse? :wenger:
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    Righteous Steps Full Member

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    He wasn't even the best player in the draft year he went pro, no shit, he was in the draft with the greatest NBA player of all time.

    But Hakeem is generally considered a top 10 player of all time and arguably the greatest centre, also in 94 who was the best player in the NBA,? The point is there isn't any way a player starts playing football as late as Hakeem did and goes to the very top, as in become a ballon d'or winner and arguably the best player of that year.
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    FootyCrew New Member

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    Not actually.

    Rugby is a main sport in France,England,Ireland,Scotland,Australia,South Africa,Japan, and Fiji.

    Pretty competitive game, football players seem like ladies comparing to rugby players.
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    AlwaysRed66 Full Member

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    Starting with a competitive league would be a good start. Instead of one which buys failure, & no reason to compete.
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    mitchmouse Full Member

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    and when England lose to a lower-rank side.... what then? and not sure how boxing is a team game but let's not get to factual about things
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    I’ll forgive you.
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    SquishyMcSquish New Member

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    If we don't qualify from a group as easy as that American one then feel free to call us utter shit and not predict we'll be a powerhouse. It'll be 100% true.

    So? It's still taking away potential athletes from other sports, the same excuse Americans are making in here. Football isn't the main sport in a lot of countries who are still competitive at it, countries who have far lower populations and much less money to spend.

    Obviously 'it's not our main sport' is a fair reason why they aren't a top 5 side, but the fact is that with a country of their size and sporting talent, you'd expect them to still be a lot better. They're behind the likes of fecking Northern Ireland, Japan are also ahead of them despite (again) the fact that about 5 or 6 sports are more popular than football. They also have nowhere near the talent pool.

    I think if you made it their most popular sport then within about 20 years they'd probably be like England. Some good players, consistent quarter final team, maybe the odd semi. They certainly wouldn't dominate the sport.
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    Eli Zee New Member

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    Being a center is different than any other position... center is arguably the least skilled position, especially in that ERA. It had a lot to do with physical ability and physical attributes.


    Find me a PG thats one of the best that started at 16. Or 15. Or 14.


    I bet you can find a great fecking goalkeeper in football that started playing at 18. Just saying.
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    MackRobinson Full Member

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    Most of this has to do with height. At most skilled positions (PG or SG) most of these guys have been playing basketball at a very young age. Look at the amount of NBA players with parents or relatives who were professional basketball players. Hakeem is an outlier.
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    Bobski Full Member

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    Basketball is an easier sport to master the basics of than football. I say that having played both to a decent level. That is not a criticism of Basketball, it is just a simpler game and manipulating a ball with the hands is much easier than with the feet. That is why physicality matters so much in basketball.
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    RochaRoja Full Member

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    It's a minor sport in pretty much all of those countries with the exception of France (which still prioritises football). If the US scrapped the NFL and put all of those resources into union, of course they'd dominate but they'd be dominating a tiny field of much smaller nations, most of whom focus on other sports themselves. It'd hardly be something to write home about.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate Scout

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    France as a country do not prioritise Football, that's not how it works. It's a region by region and city by city consideration but to make it simple professionally Rugby is the main sport in the southern half.
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    Righteous Steps Full Member

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    That went onto be the best goalkeeper in the world? Who?

    Or a cb who didn't play football till they were 17 and went onto be the best cab in the world? Who?
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    Righteous Steps Full Member

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    Yes but in football regardless of position, any player that goes onto be the best player in the world or in their position has been playing before they were 17...
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    RochaRoja Full Member

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    Football is still by far the biggest sport in France, despite what eggchasers try to convince us. Yes, we all know many people in the provincial south prefer rugby but even then, the major cities are football places. Many of the great French clubs have come from the south: Saint Étienne, Lyon, Bordeaux, and OM is historically the best supported club in the country.

    There’s a reason why France is world class in the most competitive sport in the world and still fares much worse than the British nations (only one of which could legitimately be described as a rugby nation) let alone the Southern Hemisphere in a far less internationally competitive sport.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate Scout

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    Mate, I'm from the south. Marseille and ASSE are basically the exceptions, Lyon is divided between the LOU and OL with the LOU being the older club, Toulouse and the South west are entirely about Rugby, the rest of Occitanie is also about Rugby with the exception of Montpellier who is divided between Rugby, Football and Handball while Nimes is mainly about football/Handball and Sète about Volley Ball. On the south east, Marseille is about football but the rest like Toulon, Aix en Provence, Grenoble, Chambéry or Cannes are divided between Rugby in Rhones Alpes, Volley Ball and Handball for the most part. Nice is a strange one, you could give them football but it's not actually that popular and no sport really is.
    And finally you have the Massif Central, that's an other Rugby region every city not named Saint Etienne is about rugby, Clermont, Brive, Aurillac, etc.

    In France there are no priorities in terms of sports, like I said in the previous post it depends on the city and the region with some exceptions where one sport may be be king. And France is pretty successful in Rugby, with 17 six nations in far less participations than the British-Irish nations and currently U20 world champions, they kept the title last month.
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    Eli Zee New Member

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    Idk look it up.

    The point is.... no player in a skilled position is going to start at 18 and be the best in the world (at that position.. Jordan was a better player), in either sport.


    Goalie tends to be a less skilled position than a midfield player(the same way Center is less skilled than a PG). It relies on reflexes, diving, parrying, catching, and the occasional kicking, among a few other things.


    If you find a big enough and fast enough guy, and train him... if he has good reflexes and a good brain, he can become one of the best goalies in the world.