How far are you willing to go to get the Glazers out?

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Hit them in the pocket. Don't buy anything. Don't but TV subscriptions (you can always watch illegally in the same quality if you know how) and don't buy match tickets. If you live in Manchester set up a picket line outside the club and boo anyone who does go in (peacefully). Run online campaigns against anyone who sponsors the club. Lobby politicians to ask questions in Parliament. Get the Mayor of Manchester on board. Have Old Trafford inspected by the HSE and declared an unsuitable crowd venue.

I would advocate a total war involving as many fans as we can. That's what it will take. I was disgusted by the mealy mouthed whinging of the supporters association.
 

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Since the Glazers took over, I've not paid for Sky, BT Sport or any other service, I haven't bought a match ticket, and I haven't bought any branded merchandise.

That is the most painful thing I can inflict on the Glazers, and realistically they're not going to give two shits because in the meantime income from TV and sponsorships has gone through the roof.

I can carry on my little protest for as long as I like, but I know full well it won't make a blind bit of difference.
They are gonna give some shit if protests continue on a regular basis and negativity in mass media continues. Games being cancelled and rescheduled, fans protesting inside and outside of Old Trafford, anti Glazer chants heard clearly during the games. As for Sky, BT sport and merch, still lots of fans will continue to pay for these so it won't hurt them at all. If everyone stopped paying for TV subscriptions and merchendise it could work, but this is not realistic. It is mainly up to local fans to try to force them to sell. Myself, being an overseas fan am ready to contribute as well. No TV subscriptions, no merch. Ready to spend some quid on banners, flying the planes etc. Doing nothing physical at games will only deepen the rot imo.
 

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Sorry, but how does protesting against the current ownership negatively affect fans of that club?
staff cuts, player sales, distraction from whats happening on the pitch, fixture congestion. Basically everything is negative until the moment they leave which could be years away
 

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What the hell is the point of getting the glaziers out if we are willing to destroy the club in the process. We actually are in the cusp of having a brilliant team, in fact a couple smart signings and we could win it next season. It just seems abit pointless to me to push it over the line. I completely agree that the glaziers have been bad for this club and the protest yesterday was a good way of making sure the fans voices are heard. That’s enough though, we can’t be skipping games, impacting the team etc. We all want to watch football not create a political movement.
 

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Short-term - the more the value of the club drops, the less willing the Glazers are to sell. They have been the owners for 15 years, if anyone thinks they will panic and sell - they are wrong. I am sure Joel Glazer can sit quietly in the US for 3-4 years and wait for the value to go up again.

They must be legally forced to sell, so attack the legislation. Get the right People on board and demand changes at P.L/FA level
 

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In my opinion the next step is clear. Contact sponsors of United with an open fan letter demanding they pull out of sponsoring the team until the Glazers sell. If they don't United fans will protest at their events too.

I doubt any sponsor would like a few hundred fans chanting outside their events. Some civil disobedience where they stop the events too if possible. Carry on the fight on a new battle field where the heads of it can truly screw the pressure on the Glazers.
 
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I’d be more than happy to get every game postponed, home & away. If if leads to the PL changing rules & getting these leaches out of our club it’s worth the points deduction.
 

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Relegation is what the Glazers really fear. Guaranteeing revenue streams was the reason for the creation of the ESL.

Relegation is definitely a possibility with a points reduction. I would just say look at Glasgow Rangers, Leeds and Juventus - they all got relegated for non footballing reasons and came back stronger than ever.
 

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No it's not, it's a selfish attitude to get what one person wants and has little to do with supporting the club.

Anyhone wishing the club to be relegated or to fail is not a true su[pporter, imo, and do not consider the consequencves of what they wish for.
 

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Since the Glazers took over, I've not paid for Sky, BT Sport or any other service, I haven't bought a match ticket, and I haven't bought any branded merchandise.

That is the most painful thing I can inflict on the Glazers, and realistically they're not going to give two shits because in the meantime income from TV and sponsorships has gone through the roof.

I can carry on my little protest for as long as I like, but I know full well it won't make a blind bit of difference.
Same here.

What's the betting that the majority of those protesting are lining the Glazers/Sky's pockets by attending matches, buying merchandise and subscribing to watch on TV?
 

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No it's not, it's a selfish attitude to get what one person wants and has little to do with supporting the club.

Anyhone wishing the club to be relegated or to fail is not a true su[pporter, imo, and do not consider the consequencves of what they wish for.
Who has wished the club to be relegated?
 

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staff cuts, player sales, distraction from whats happening on the pitch, fixture congestion. Basically everything is negative until the moment they leave which could be years away
Oh please, on what planet would fan protests result in staff cuts or player sales? That's just silly mate.

Fixture congestion? Maybe, if the protests continue to lead to postponements like yesterday, but that's unlikely as the police and stadium security will be far better prepared for the next protest.

The players should be mentally strong enough to handle supporters showing their displeasure at the current leadership and not be affected one way or another.

When all is said and done, the only people to be affected by these protests are the owners themselves.
 

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You have to ask yourself to what end? Who has enough money to make them sell? This person who can buy a football club for $4 billion, will they be in it for "the good of manchester and the football club" or just their own pockets? Or will it be for political reasons and to improve their reputation as money is no object for certain people.

I guarantee you that nobody exists who will buy a club of that value just for the good of the club. Everyone is in it to get richer at those values. There are very, very few who can afford that, and the majority are the oil rich people like the Saudis, Qatari's, Abramovich types. So you have a swarm of ethical issues with those and at that point we just become a oil rich club.

I firmly believe there is no real big alternative in terms of owner of the football club, with the model of ownership in England. The German model is the only way it can be pretty pure, but there's pretty much no way to get that style implemented in England. Getting government regulations to limit how much percentage of overall revenue can be taken as profits and how much must stay within the club, how much should be the cap for player and staff salaries, how much should be the cap for any signing fees, is the only way to get a consistent model across the board where the owners don't change but their pocketed earnings are capped, and at that point, it doesn't matter who the owner is.
 

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This is the point you missed before. They werent protesting and the majority never will be. You are one person, and in a group of 1000 protesters you are part of the vast minority. So no you arent the club and neither are 1000 out of the millions of fans worldwide. You also forget that Ole is a fan. And a lot of the people who are working for the club. So you are also trying to harm the livelyhoods of plenty of fans.
You're an absolute soft cock.
 

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If they actually invested they’d be decent owners. The risk we may be bought by venture capitalists who really will strip, exploit and sell off for quick profit is considerable and fans who lead us towards that will never be forgiven nor can they pretend they weren’t aware of the risk if they do.
 

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We need to check if @noodlehair would nosh off his mate to save the club. Desperate times and all that.
 

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Oh please, on what planet would fan protests result in staff cuts or player sales? That's just silly mate.

When the Glazers are looking to balance the books because fans arent going to matches and matches are being called off for protests, they'll make cuts. That will be the staff feeling it not the Glazers.

Fixture congestion? Maybe, if the protests continue to lead to postponements like yesterday, but that's unlikely as the police and stadium security will be far better prepared for the next protest.

The players should be mentally strong enough to handle supporters showing their displeasure at the current leadership and not be affected one way or another.

When all is said and done, the only people to be affected by these protests are the owners themselves.
I dont think naivity is an excuse, especially when you're opting into ignorance in the face of being told the truth. Of course cuts will be made for the staff and players before the Glazers themselves feel anything. Its what every company does when they arent meeting their targets. Wherever you work will do the same thing. If things arent going well the first people who will see it impact them will be the staff. Way down the line after loads of cuts and layoffs the owners might feel it when even doing that, and for a football club selling your players like Fernandes and Shaw doesnt balance the books. But by that point loads of people who werent involved got shafted.
 

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What the hell is the point of getting the glaziers out if we are willing to destroy the club in the process. We actually are in the cusp of having a brilliant team, in fact a couple smart signings and we could win it next season. It just seems abit pointless to me to push it over the line. I completely agree that the glaziers have been bad for this club and the protest yesterday was a good way of making sure the fans voices are heard. That’s enough though, we can’t be skipping games, impacting the team etc. We all want to watch football not create a political movement.
We are close to being vaguely competitive. But getting the Glazers out is the long term health of the club for its entire future. That's more important than any short term league position even if we did have any vague hope of a title challenge next year.
 

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I dont think naivity is an excuse, especially when you're opting into ignorance in the face of being told the truth. Of course cuts will be made for the staff and players before the Glazers themselves feel anything. Its what every company does when they arent meeting their targets. Wherever you work will do the same thing. If things arent going well the first people who will see it impact them will be the staff. Way down the line after loads of cuts and layoffs the owners might feel it when even doing that, and for a football club selling your players like Fernandes and Shaw doesnt balance the books. But by that point loads of people who werent involved got shafted.
You're looking at the situation and visualizing the most extreme scenario possible. It's highly unlikely that these protests will affect profits to the extent that backroom staff will lose their jobs or playing staff will get sold. Say what you like about Joel Glazer, but I don't believe he's stupid enough to antagonize the fanbase further by releasing staff or selling players. Not to mention those that survived the "cull" and fellow board members who may no longer feel their job is secure. It's counter productive and would only serve to weaken his position at the club. It won't happen.
 

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You're looking at the situation and visualizing the most extreme scenario possible. It's highly unlikely that these protests will affect profits to the extent that backroom staff will lose their jobs or playing staff will get sold. Say what you like about Joel Glazer, but I don't believe he's stupid enough to antagonize the fanbase further by releasing staff or selling players. Not to mention those that survived the "cull" and fellow board members who may no longer feel their job is secure. It's counter productive and would only serve to weaken his position at the club. It won't happen.
And even in a worst case scenario where people do lose their jobs, that is on the Glazers and not protestors.

The arguments @Ekeke has spent all morning making, can be made against any protestors arguing for any cause. Don't protest against the wrongs done against you because it might result in more wrongs.

Sit there, suck it up and trust our betters to look out for us. Turkeys voting for Christmas.
 

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Well I'm hoping when fans are allowed back in for the last game of the season there is loads of banners about the glazers, lots of chanting and then everyone leaves early.
Only an idea though
 

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And even in a worst case scenario where people do lose their jobs, that is on the Glazers and not protestors.

The arguments @Ekeke has spent all morning making, can be made against any protestors arguing for any cause. Don't protest against the wrongs done against you because it might result in more wrongs.

Sit there, suck it up and trust our betters to look out for us. Turkeys voting for Christmas.
Precisely.

None of that will happen anyway. The clubs' profits took a nosedive when covid hit, as it did everyone the world over, but no one on the backroom staff lost their job (as far as I'm aware) and players were not sold.
 

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It is our club. Not the players, not the manager and not the owners. Ours. It was ours long before the Glazers or Solskjaers or Luke Shaw or Bruno Fernandes, and it will be ours long after they are all gone.
Unfortunately it is not our club. It is the legal property of the Glazer family. We are merely the customers, and a small minority of them at that. Our only power is to withdraw out custom.
 

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Quite far, with many matches blocked off, prolonged periods of unrest to hit the Glazer's pockets directly.

But I imagine if that did transpire the general opinion amongst United fans could shift against the protests as it'd affect the team and players directly.

Maybe a generalisation but I think in general amongst the younger population (myself included) there's more of an appetite for protests, as it's a long-term issue that 5+ years of suffering is worth it for, especially given the debt and the threat of a super league. I'd imagine amongst the older supporters there's more of a feeling of who can be fecked, just play the games, which is perfectly understandable.
 

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Assuming we get the home game against Fulham open to fans (10,000 I hear), how about a boycott of that game? Champions league should be secured by then. Maybe even 2nd place. We've played all season without fans anyway. Might as well wait for next season. If it's only season ticket holders eligible for that game, we could poll them about this. Gives some momentum to yesterday's protest, with more visibility.
I’d boycott this
 

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Personally, I think this is already becoming OTT. And talk of further upping the ante even more is out of order.

The Glazers have been here for 16 years. Nothing that's happened this season is particularly new information - everyone knew about the debts, the Super League has been mooted for decades and we knew clubs like United and owners like Glazers would be involved.

When they finally tried to make it happen, the protests and reaction were correct and it rightly got abandoned. The level of subsequent protests at other clubs involved has been proportional and has sent a positive message and those fans and clubs are now looking to move on. The protest at Old Trafford yesterday was disproportionate and should never have escalated to violence, trespassing, postponed games, etc. And suggesting even stronger action is ludicrous.

A section of fans stirring up shit, getting games postponed and bragging that 'we decide when you play' is not fair to many fans who don't want such mobbish action done in their name. And it's unfair on Ole and the players who are trying to win us a trophy and secure 2nd place. And looking to build for next season with a couple of big additions who probably won't come if it's a club at war with itself. These protests risk all that if they're not kept in proportion and kept off the pitch, aimed at the Glazers, rather than deliberately impacting on the pitch matters with the idea that 'make things as hard as possible for us to succeed and they may leave.' Well, thanks for doing that 'in my name'. But I'd have actually preferred us to be allowed to play games, finish 2nd, win the EL, and look to add players for next season to help Ole try to push for top spot.
 
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Write a letter to my MP demanding legislation... don't laugh, if 75000 fans did that, at least there would be a record/evidence of how many people really did want change... better than allowing 'willing idiots' to invade our own hallowed turf at OT and give TV news editors wet dreams every time they could show that clip.

MUST would be better engaged in drafting a letter that all fans could sign and send to their own MP, than writing toothless scripts to people who in all probability will never read it.
 

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Assuming we get the home game against Fulham open to fans (10,000 I hear), how about a boycott of that game? Champions league should be secured by then. Maybe even 2nd place. We've played all season without fans anyway. Might as well wait for next season. If it's only season ticket holders eligible for that game, we could poll them about this. Gives some momentum to yesterday's protest, with more visibility.
I suspect after yesterday, that the Fulham experiment will be the first casualty, safety is now the name of the game. Yes 10,000 lucky ticket holders may (or may not ) turn up but what if the 'peaceful' protesters turn up and mingle? This will be cancelled, not the game but the inclusion of fans.
The Covid rules were also broken yesterday which a lot of people seem to forget, that needs to be addressed, guess who will be held accountable?
We don't seem to learn, any protest that does not affect the Glazers directly, simply rebounds on the club and ultimately the fans!
 

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And even in a worst case scenario where people do lose their jobs, that is on the Glazers and not protestors.

The arguments @Ekeke has spent all morning making, can be made against any protestors arguing for any cause. Don't protest against the wrongs done against you because it might result in more wrongs.

Sit there, suck it up and trust our betters to look out for us. Turkeys voting for Christmas.
You say that, but they arent losing their jobs now are they. So its a result of the protests
 

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You're looking at the situation and visualizing the most extreme scenario possible. It's highly unlikely that these protests will affect profits to the extent that backroom staff will lose their jobs or playing staff will get sold. Say what you like about Joel Glazer, but I don't believe he's stupid enough to antagonize the fanbase further by releasing staff or selling players. Not to mention those that survived the "cull" and fellow board members who may no longer feel their job is secure. It's counter productive and would only serve to weaken his position at the club. It won't happen.
Its the scenario I'm expecting before the Glazers to walk away. I think you're underestimating how stubborn they will be and have already been.
 

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I'm willing to not buy any merchandise for a season. (I collect kits so this is actually kind of a sacrifice!)
Willing to avoid Adidas, Kohler and teamviewer and all that jazz.
Willing to protest peacefully at games.
Willing to canvas the government for better regulation regarding EPL ownership.

The minute it comes down to being docked points, thrown out of leagues or competitions, I'm out. Too far. Goes against the whole point of loving the club wanting to see it fail.
 

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Stop watching any United related media. Total black out. Glazers get zero of my viewership, I won't use brands associated with the club nor will I discuss the club on social media.

If this is multiples by five million people, that starts to smart commercially. We make massive commercial deals down to our massive viewership. If this reduces we cannot make these deals at the same level.

Less profit for the Glazers. They no longer wish to retain the asset. Hopefully they feck off.
 

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Relegation is what the Glazers really fear. Guaranteeing revenue streams was the reason for the creation of the ESL.

Relegation is definitely a possibility with a points reduction. I would just say look at Glasgow Rangers, Leeds and Juventus - they all got relegated for non footballing reasons and came back stronger than ever.

Hold on, you want us relegated?
 

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I'm willing to not buy any merchandise for a season. (I collect kits so this is actually kind of a sacrifice!)
Willing to avoid Adidas, Kohler and teamviewer and all that jazz.
Willing to protest peacefully at games.
Willing to canvas the government for better regulation regarding EPL ownership.

The minute it comes down to being docked points, thrown out of leagues or competitions, I'm out. Too far. Goes against the whole point of loving the club wanting to see it fail.
Yep, completely agree that that's the right level of protest, and targeting the right problems. Anything that effects on field matters, and starts to punish the coaches, players and fans hopes to see their team succeed, are misdirected and going too far.
 

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Hold on, you want us relegated?
I don't want us relegated. I'm saying we have to look at this protest in the long-term and recognise any possible consequences. The fans have to be strong enough to accept them.

If fans continue getting games called off, the price to be paid could be relegation. But it wouldn't be the end of the world.
 

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Yep, completely agree that that's the right level of protest, and targeting the right problems. Anything that effects on field matters, and starts to punish the coaches, players and fans hopes to see their team succeed, are misdirected and going too far.
Goes too far and might not get what they want. Us getting relegated doesn't mean the Glazers leave! United will be able to sell individual game rights in the current EFL model and will probably make more money!
 

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Stop watching any United related media. Total black out. Glazers get zero of my viewership, I won't use brands associated with the club nor will I discuss the club on social media.

If this is multiples by five million people, that starts to smart commercially. We make massive commercial deals down to our massive viewership. If this reduces we cannot make these deals at the same level.

Less profit for the Glazers. They no longer wish to retain the asset. Hopefully they feck off.
You dont watch united games?
 

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It’s enough for Step 1 to get some representation at board level. Total merchandise boycott and continued peaceful protesting. They will either be forced to sell or forced to change . And realistically in short term the start of change is enough for me