Rashford is not the fecking manager. He is not responsible for creating spaces and patterns of play. It is the manager's responsibility to make sure the team can attack shit teams like today. But he is just a spectator witnessing what the players are doing.
How far off is this squad from a title challenge?
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Knee jerk? We were languishing in mid table before Bruno came in. Let's not even take into account the moments of brilliance these past few weeks, against shite teams that have got us wins. This team is where it is due to moments of individuality, not due to superior coaching.
If not for Bruno, he wouldn't even be in a job anymore. So let's cut out this knee jerk rubbish. What was knee jerk was thinking we were in a title race after a few jammy wins.
It really isn't good when our forwards are all cold and Bruno isn't firing either. Same issue as Liverpool really in that case.
Well I enjoyed the Unity for a couple weeks lads. It was fun. Shame they couldn’t have voided the season last week.
How far are we? Exactly how far I thought we was.
How far are we? Exactly how far I thought we was.
The only overreaction was that people really thought we could win it with the football we showed week in week out. Grinding results out was never sustainable
Martial has been shocking all season. This is the tipping point. It’s also the work rate of certain players. Old man Cavani putting them to shame.
Yeah and injures to which we have non.
Yeah the manner of the defeat is what's so eye opening. Any team pushing for the title can hit a freak result but that isn't what this was. We barely had a proper chance
This team does get complacent. That's the extra step - it reacts well to adversity, but when things are going great, we seem to go to the next game looking to stroll through
i agree with all that
What did Cavani do tonight exactly? He's still to score at Old Trafford btw
It will be worse next season. With Pep and Kloop in charge, next season could be 100 points season to win the league again.
We are not a well coached team and our tactic is inferior and boring. We depended too much on individual brilliance.
Just an infuriating night.
Should have had their goal ruled out for the push, but once it went in, they just went ultra defensive.
But having got back in it, to then concede was utterly criminal.
Just so disappointing and while it doesn't totally kill the spirit, it feels a huge loss.
I dare say in a few weeks it might not feel so big if we're down to 5th battling for 4th
The season isn't over though. No one is saying that. We're not going to win the league though. I'd take second in a heartbeat and we build from there.
I'm "Ole In" completely.
It's not about this one game. We are point behind City, who have a game in hand and they look a million miles ahead of us, with their best players yet to even come back from injury. Anyone that genuinely thought we had a shot at the title was having a laugh. What's annoying is the goal now is top 4, we will get it, it will be enough to keep Ole in the job, we will rinse and repeat next season, once again looking clueless in positional play, movement and passing.
He's started two games in a row, so expecting him to be fresh for another is a bit harsh.
Martial has been off it all season now. It's becoming a worry.
I saw our players constantly attempting one twos, and executing other patterns of play. Not sure what game you were watching.
He needs 6 seconds to seemingly duel with the defender for some reason every time he gets the ball in a face to face stand off before passing it back or losing the ball (by which time the other team's defense is getting into shape fyi)
He consistently makes the incorrect decision near the box, costing us potential goals
He misses chances at an alarming rate (he didn't even get a chance tonight I know, talking about other games)
Half assed pressing and defending. Just look at the McGoldrick chance, he literally the Sheff Utd player go in front of him and shrugs his shoulders
He's vastly overrated on here because he'll score a few goals and all will be dandy. Then we're sat here as usual in Jan/Feb thinking "hang on, why are we so far behind other teams if we have world class Martial and Rashford playing for us?"
I'm not pro or anti Ole but tonight wasn't on the manager.
He actually ran, which is something Martial and Rashford forgot to do.
Which we may well be. Performances at old Trafford have been so bad. Everton and Southampton next. Both far better than these
How far?
Two world class center forwards. Even one would do if he could stay fit for 40 games a season.
Two world class center forwards. Even one would do if he could stay fit for 40 games a season.
Very far. Get a RW, CDM and CB perhaps then we can talk.
Edit: and a striker obviously, cavani is too old
Edit: and a striker obviously, cavani is too old
The good thing is that we basically still need what we needed in the summer:
A right winger - maybe Diallo will step up but it feels like an awful lot of responsibility for a young player
A DCM to replace Matic
A CB to replace Maguire
(and probably another striker - CavanI can’t play every game)
A right winger - maybe Diallo will step up but it feels like an awful lot of responsibility for a young player
A DCM to replace Matic
A CB to replace Maguire
(and probably another striker - CavanI can’t play every game)
Arsenal away next is enough of a concern.
We've lost there for a few years in a row, they're back into some form, and we're not great.
Cavani hasn't scored a home goal yet and he's our best forward. Oh my god 
He came on pretty late.Cavani hasn't scored a home goal yet and he's our best forward. Oh my god
Martial and rashford should be ashamed of themselves and their work rate when they see the effort to get the ball back and attack again that cavani shows
If you want to be serious about challenging for a title then you must concede Rashford and Martial should not be starting games for us, they need to be replaced but keep Rashford as he would make an excellent sub, i dont think the defence is as bad as people think any maybe one quailty defender in would be enough there.
We need a great striker in their prime simple and not to be putting all our hopes in Cavani who i love but he is aged and no where near his prime or greenwood who has signs of being great but stilll has to learn his trade, Martial should'nt be even considered as a striker, Basically we need to replace the front three and get a quailty defender in.
We are at least 2 transfer windows away from being considered a title challenger and i believe we will make the right transfers to make that happen, this was never going to be an overnight transformation and we should be happy to be so high in the table with the squad we have at the moment.
We need a great striker in their prime simple and not to be putting all our hopes in Cavani who i love but he is aged and no where near his prime or greenwood who has signs of being great but stilll has to learn his trade, Martial should'nt be even considered as a striker, Basically we need to replace the front three and get a quailty defender in.
We are at least 2 transfer windows away from being considered a title challenger and i believe we will make the right transfers to make that happen, this was never going to be an overnight transformation and we should be happy to be so high in the table with the squad we have at the moment.
@el3mel there you go, I'm glad I got this one in before the gut punch today. From here, this is where our season begins. It will say a lot about the mentality of these players.
Yes typical knee jerk response after a poor performance. We were 5th when we signed Bruno? It's lazy to claim our goals are all from moments of brilliance and just blame Ole for the poor performances. Praise the players when we win but blame the manager when we don't? Have a day off.
If your mum had testicles she'd be your dad. Who signed Bruno?
Don't understand how people don't understand this.
Agreed. Martial and Rahsford have been utter wank too but Ole is massively to blame too
I think some were but hey oh. Good game against Arsenal to bounce back with hopefully
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Neatly sums up the difference between where we actually are as a team and where some of the overblown talk suggested we are.
He has only played around 530mins in the PL. Thats around 6 games. So its not that shocking.Cavani hasn't scored a home goal yet and he's our best forward. Oh my god
People need to remember we were outperforming our XG and should be 7th. We have conceded the most goals in the top 11. I know we shipped 6 vs Spurs but CIty got thrashed one game and still only conceded 13 all season. Even if Spurs only beat us 3-1 we would still have conceded the joint most in the top 11. Combined with our misfiring forwards its a MIRACLE we were in 1st place
Yup, this. We never looked like title contenders, just a team on a good run of results. We'll fight for top 4 as we always do.
Blind faith in a club legend. Bless them. Won't win anything with him though. I see zero progress against deep sitting teams. We created feck all from open play today. Our football is tumescent and predictable. City smash teams like these with or without a fit striker in their ranks
Arsenal, Saints and Everton next three. I would suggest we are in a race for top four soon enough. How underwhelming.
With the worst touch out of all of our strikers too. You can’t make it upCavani hasn't scored a home goal yet and he's our best forward. Oh my god