How good was Paul Scholes?

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Yeah, he was better than Cantona, Keano, Giggs, Ruud, Ronaldo, Rooney and RVP. In some parallel universe though, not in this one.
This is the problem with Scholes on here, an alternate world has been created which people somehow believe.

Scholes had pockets where he was our best player but was never consistently the best player in the team for any considerable stretch. The players you listed especially Cantona, Keane, Rooney and Ronaldo were without doubt our best players for more multiple seasons, Scholes was never that.

Scholes' strength was he was always one of our best players but he was never the main guy. The closest he came to that was in 02-04 but that was more of a duo with him and Ruud.
 

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I find it very weird that there are Manchester United fans who don’t fully appreciate Paul Scholes. Most oppos give him the credit he deserves without hesitation.
 

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I think an interesting thought experiment would be to consider whether we'd be talking about Xavi as one of the best of all time had he never played under a manager in Pep whose philosophy and style of play suited him perfectly.
His career had already turned around before Pep so you could argue that was going to happen either way.

He was the best player at Euro 2008 and was incredible in the season prior to Pep joining. I remember watching Euro 2008 and think Xavi was playing like a peak Paul Scholes and was very impressed. At the time of course, Scholes was the best CM of that mould in the world.

Pep of course took his game to new heights but he does that with every player. Also worth remembering SAF really wanted Xavi around 2004 so his quality was always evident.
 

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Its not really a lie though. What I was alluding to is sure Henry voted him PFA once but if all these hundreds of footballers actually felt he was the best he would have more than 2 x PFA team of the year, more than zero Man Utd player of the season, some PFA or FWPFA, some Balon d'or votes, England national team player of the year, Uefa Team of the Season, world player of the year etc etc. Its meaningless and empty if you don't actually give them their dues in the manner you do for everyone else.

This is Scholes recognition over a 20 year career

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Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03, 2006–07
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons
Premier League Hall of Fame: 2022
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[

Many of these awards are VOTED FOR BY THE PLAYERS, COACHES ETC. So if they all thought he was so great and truly had " understanding of the game and information" like you di, his resume would look more like his contemporaries who all managed to beat this curse. Even Keane made 5 PFA team of the years. Everyone else, Modric, Xavi, Gerrard, Lampard, Vieira, etc all managed. Compare Schosey's to Cesc for example in just 11 seasons

FIFA U-17 World Championship Golden Ball: 2003
FIFA U-17 World Championship Golden Shoe: 2003
UEFA European Under-17 Football Championship Golden Player: 2004
Bravo Award: 2006
Golden Boy: 2006
UEFA Team of the Year: 2006, 2008
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2007, September 2007
Arsenal Player of the Season: 2006–07, 2009−10
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2007–08
PFA Team of the Year: 2007–08 Premier League, 2009–10 Premier League
ESM Team of the Year: 2007–08, 2009–10, 2014–15
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2008, 2012
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2014

I understand the game and probably played it at a higher level than yourself. You know doubt play a lot of Fifa and football manager I'll credit you for that but you are no football expert la,
I know very few people who would consider Cesc a finer footballer than Paul Scholes. It’s not just United bias it’s a fact.

Take Fabregas out of those Spanish international sides nobody would have cared much apart from Arsenal fans. Same at Barcelona as he had about 6 good months there too. On the biggest stage he was more a squad player.

A lot of those FIFA awards are given for marketing reasons too. You can’t really market Paul Scholes like say a good looking young Spanish kid with the world at his feet at the time.

In 07-09 Scholes was mid-30’s competing and then winning champions leagues scoring critical goals against the best teams on the planet and winning league titles galore. Cesc at the same age is playing in Serie B…

Does make me laugh reading comments in 08’ some of us United fans thought Anderson was better than Fabregas. I’ll give Cesc that win at least.:lol:
 
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I find it very weird that there are Manchester United fans who don’t fully appreciate Paul Scholes. Most oppos give him the credit he deserves without hesitation.
So true. Even Pep was all praises when talking about Scholes, saying Scholes was his favorite https://www.sportbible.com/football/pep-guardiola-lampard-gerrard-scholes-20221112

And this is Zidane: "I never tire of watching him play. You rarely come across the complete footballer, but Scholes is as close to it as you can get."
 

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This is the problem with Scholes on here, an alternate world has been created which people somehow believe.

Scholes had pockets where he was our best player but was never consistently the best player in the team for any considerable stretch. The players you listed especially Cantona, Keane, Rooney and Ronaldo were without doubt our best players for more multiple seasons, Scholes was never that.

Scholes' strength was he was always one of our best players but he was never the main guy. The closest he came to that was in 02-04 but that was more of a duo with him and Ruud.
It is describing that you seem to rate this as Scholes at his best. The period where he was more of a goalscorer playing higher up the pitch.

«Main guy»? What is that? Scholes was probably always the player with most involvements on the pitch. At least in 04-10.
 

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Without a doubt one if the top midfielders in the world. He could do almost everything, score with his head, amazing volleys other players could only dream of, the passes that Pogba thought he could do. Go past a player. Shoot with both feet. An absolute world class genius. Wasn’t it Zidane who called him the best player in the world? At the same time he was potentially the worst tackler in the PL

There are certain players that people just don’t see how good they are. De Bryune is the one at present. Yes I know he plays for City but he’s a great player and because of Messi and Ronaldo and the glamour of Spain we don’t see it, we’d rather big up Kross and Modric because they are at Madrid. The only players that rivalled Scholes at the time where Barcelonas and Madrids midfielders.
 

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I find it very weird that there are Manchester United fans who don’t fully appreciate Paul Scholes. Most oppos give him the credit he deserves without hesitation.
Yep, a lot of fans work off stats like goals and assists or FIFA PlayStation Statistics to guide what they think of players.

Barcelona players, the ones inarguably the greatest club side of all time in the late 00s thought scholes was unbelievable. Apparantly in 2011 CL final, Lionel Messi, Xavi Hernandez, Pedro Rodriguez, Sergio Busquets and Andres Iniesta drew straws to see who would get his jersey in


https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsl...hen-barcelona-s-xavi-met-united-hero-scholes/


Xavi “For me, he's the best central midfielder I've seen in the last 15, 20 years. He's spectacular, he has it all: the last pass, goals, he's strong, he doesn't lose the ball, vision."

That’s all the endorsement needed to close this thread.
 
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Yep, a lot of fans work off stats like goals and assists or FIFA PlayStation Statistics to guide what they think of players.

Barcelona players, the ones inarguably the greatest club side of all time in the late 00s thought scholes was unbelievable. Apparantly in 2011 CL final, Lionel Messi, Xavi Hernandez, Pedro Rodriguez, Sergio Busquets and Andres Iniesta drew straws to see who would get his jersey in


https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsl...hen-barcelona-s-xavi-met-united-hero-scholes/


Xavi “For me, he's the best central midfielder I've seen in the last 15, 20 years. He's spectacular, he has it all: the last pass, goals, he's strong, he doesn't lose the ball, vision."

That’s all the endorsement needed to close this thread.
I agree.

Anyone who can’t understand why we rate Scholes so highly, and want it explained to them, is never going to be convinced - they just see football in a different way (as they are entitled to do, of course).
 

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It is describing that you seem to rate this as Scholes at his best. The period where he was more of a goalscorer playing higher up the pitch.

«Main guy»? What is that? Scholes was probably always the player with most involvements on the pitch. At least in 04-10.
How is this possible when we had Ruud, Rooney and Ronaldo. Debatable if he even had more than Giggs.

Yep, a lot of fans work off stats like goals and assists or FIFA PlayStation Statistics to guide what they think of players.

Barcelona players, the ones inarguably the greatest club side of all time in the late 00s thought scholes was unbelievable. Apparantly in 2011 CL final, Lionel Messi, Xavi Hernandez, Pedro Rodriguez, Sergio Busquets and Andres Iniesta drew straws to see who would get his jersey in


https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsl...hen-barcelona-s-xavi-met-united-hero-scholes/


Xavi “For me, he's the best central midfielder I've seen in the last 15, 20 years. He's spectacular, he has it all: the last pass, goals, he's strong, he doesn't lose the ball, vision."

That’s all the endorsement needed to close this thread.
Ahhh more quotes. This thread was clearly lacking in that.
 

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How is this possible when we had Ruud, Rooney and Ronaldo. Debatable if he even had more than Giggs.


Ahhh more quotes. This thread was clearly lacking in that.
Depends on how you define involvements. Ruud was never that involved in the play. Ronaldo wasn't one to involve himself much without the ball. Giggs was always involved as was Rooney, but I don't find it inconceivable that Scholes was overall more involved. Being a midfielder will do that. He also had great involvements and dictated play like none of the aforementioned players were capable of doing. He was, in many ways the heart of the team. That doesn't make him better or more important than the others, but it does make him vital.
 

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How is this possible when we had Ruud, Rooney and Ronaldo. Debatable if he even had more than Giggs.


Ahhh more quotes. This thread was clearly lacking in that.
Ruud never had many involvements? Goal involvements? yes! Involvements? No!
People who underrate Scholes seems fixated on goals and assists. It have never been very difficult to find players who can score goals.
 

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Scholes' strength was he was always one of our best players but he was never the main guy.
This is the part I don't get, why does there need to be a main guy?

It's a team game, being a team is way more important than having a "main guy" and that is part of what makes Scholes a great player, he was a great team guy, he doesn't stand out as such because that's not his personality.

Take Gerrard as an example, he was a great player, no debate there, he was Liverpool's talisman and main guy for years, didn't win a whole lot though did they
 

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Depends on how you define involvements. Ruud was never that involved in the play. Ronaldo wasn't one to involve himself much without the ball. Giggs was always involved as was Rooney, but I don't find it inconceivable that Scholes was overall more involved. Being a midfielder will do that. He also had great involvements and dictated play like none of the aforementioned players were capable of doing. He was, in many ways the heart of the team. That doesn't make him better or more important than the others, but it does make him vital.
They obviously mean in terms of touches on the ball and the play going through them.

Scholes was the player who ran the game for the best side in the league, phenomenal footballer.
 

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Depends on how you define involvements. Ruud was never that involved in the play. Ronaldo wasn't one to involve himself much without the ball. Giggs was always involved as was Rooney, but I don't find it inconceivable that Scholes was overall more involved. Being a midfielder will do that. He also had great involvements and dictated play like none of the aforementioned players were capable of doing. He was, in many ways the heart of the team. That doesn't make him better or more important than the others, but it does make him vital.
Ruud never had many involvements? Goal involvements? yes! Involvements? No!
People who underrate Scholes seems fixated on goals and assists. It have never been very difficult to find players who can score goals.
I've never really heard the term involvements as a stand alone term in football so assumed it to mean goal involvements. In any case your central midfielder should have the most, who else is expected to have more than them.

Funny enough there's almost neen no mention of stats by those in here that have said Scholes is overrated post retirement. It would make little sense to even use that as a point when he scored way more goals than Iniesta and co and probably had more assists too.

Scholes did his job in our team and he did it to an extremely high level, that isn't in doubt. His influence on the team however wasn't as much as some of the players listed already. In fact our upturn in form post Ruud started when Scholes was out in 2005/06. Rooney, Ronaldo and Giggs were the catalysts for our dominance from 2006-2009. Scholes came back in 2006/07 and amplified that even more along with Rio.

The quotes will tell you he was our best and most important player when he rarely was.
 

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I've never really heard the term involvements as a stand alone term in football so assumed it to mean goal involvements. In any case your central midfielder should have the most, who else is expected to have more than them.

Funny enough there's almost neen no mention of stats by those in here that have said Scholes is overrated post retirement. It would make little sense to even use that as a point when he scored way more goals than Iniesta and co and probably had more assists too.

Scholes did his job in our team and he did it to an extremely high level, that isn't in doubt. His influence on the team however wasn't as much as some of the players listed already. In fact our upturn in form post Ruud started when Scholes was out in 2005/06. Rooney, Ronaldo and Giggs were the catalysts for our dominance from 2006-2009. Scholes came back in 2006/07 and amplified that even more along with Rio.

The quotes will tell you he was our best and most important player when he rarely was.
We went on a run in 06 but Chelsea ended us when I fought we could come back. In 2006 with Scholes playing we were W14 L3 D8. When Scholes was out in 06 United had a record of W16 L4 D4. Shout out to Saha too! Yeah I felt Scholes tailed off a bit and then came back in 06/07 as a different player and I was happy. I know he had eye issues but 07 was the first top class season I recalled since 03. I felt like we had Scholesey back. He admitted he had to reinvent himself by watching Kroos. Played a blinder in 07 vs Milan. Thats the memorable big time game I have of him outside of England.

08 he missed a chunk due to injury but by then Rooney Ronaldo Tevez had taken over. In the spell he was out injured we had a record of W14 L2 D2. We were unstoppable with the attack and defence we had. Could even afford to leave him out in CL knock out games. By 09 Giggs was the main man in midfield as he now reinvented himself to a Bernado Silva type player. Twas amazing to see.
 

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We went on a run in 06 but Chelsea ended us when I fought we could come back. In 2006 with Scholes playing we were W14 L3 D8. When Scholes was out in 06 United had a record of W16 L4 D4. Shout out to Saha too! Yeah I felt Scholes tailed off a bit and then came back in 06/07 as a different player and I was happy. I know he had eye issues but 07 was the first top class season I recalled since 03. I felt like we had Scholesey back. He admitted he had to reinvent himself by watching Kroos. Played a blinder in 07 vs Milan. Thats the memorable big time game I have of him outside of England.

08 he missed a chunk due to injury but by then Rooney Ronaldo Tevez had taken over. In the spell he was out injured we had a record of W14 L2 D2. We were unstoppable with the attack and defence we had. Could even afford to leave him out in CL knock out games. By 09 Giggs was the main man in midfield as he now reinvented himself to a Bernado Silva type player. Twas amazing to see.
Yup agreed, that's exactly how I remember things.

We've gotten a lot of stick for our views on Scholes but we seem like the only ones actually giving a proper account and context of what it was like when Scholes played. I have no reason to hate Scholes, I loved him as a player and still do but his reputation post retirement has become heavily embellished.

Trotting out the list of quotes and comments like "Scholes didn't have personal awards because he didn't seek the limelight" are lazy and revisionist.
 

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Yup agreed, that's exactly how I remember things.

We've gotten a lot of stick for our views on Scholes but we seem like the only ones actually giving a proper account and context of what it was like when Scholes played. I have no reason to hate Scholes, I loved him as a player and still do but his reputation post retirement has become heavily embellished.

Trotting out the list of quotes and comments like "Scholes didn't have personal awards because he didn't seek the limelight" are lazy and revisionist.
It is nonsense to be fair, and it always was. But it was the only way to justify that point of view.

The likes of Pirlo, Xavi or especially Modric had hardly PR machines behind them. I mean, Modric is practically a mute. And yet won the Ballon D'Or, same award that Scholes never got a single vote.

The other thing is that United was never a squad that dominated games, especially in Europe and against top teams in the league. Even at our best, we played counter-football. Just check the various games where we defeated Arsenal, it was defend, and then score in counters. Or many wins in Europe (Barca in 2008 for example). We were even called 'a chaotic team' by Del Bosque when we played them (and lost), because of our inability to control matches. I know that United fans don't like to hear this, but we never had that much control in midfield (in top matches). Our strengths were great defense, and amazing wingers. The midfield was a supporting structure.
 

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Yup agreed, that's exactly how I remember things.

We've gotten a lot of stick for our views on Scholes but we seem like the only ones actually giving a proper account and context of what it was like when Scholes played. I have no reason to hate Scholes, I loved him as a player and still do but his reputation post retirement has become heavily embellished.

Trotting out the list of quotes and comments like "Scholes didn't have personal awards because he didn't seek the limelight" are lazy and revisionist.
We have taken a lot of stick but you have to stand firm in your beliefs and experiences. I don't personally understand how many here's views are sooo far from ours but I respect them all the same. I also do not NOT rate Scholes. Just feel he is being boosted in terms of his impact post retirement, based off quotes and nostalgia because they say things like "Scholes was the best and most important player in our successes" ok which seasons? "errrrm not sure but he was always." or something similar to "Scholes was just outstanding every game" literally no one is. Man Utd showed we could win a plenty when he wasn't in the team but based on the comments, everything played through him and he made us tick so we were a shadow of ourselves when he didnt play. That simply was not the case. He was a support player. A very important cog but FAR FROM the main or most important. Fantastic little player though. Would LOVE him now because Eriksen is :nono: in comparison to Scholesey
 
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His career had already turned around before Pep so you could argue that was going to happen either way.

He was the best player at Euro 2008 and was incredible in the season prior to Pep joining. I remember watching Euro 2008 and think Xavi was playing like a peak Paul Scholes and was very impressed. At the time of course, Scholes was the best CM of that mould in the world.

Pep of course took his game to new heights but he does that with every player. Also worth remembering SAF really wanted Xavi around 2004 so his quality was always evident.
I think that's a fair answer. I guess what I'm getting at is that the quality was always there, but it was only when he worked under managers whose style of play aligned perfectly with what he was good at that he truly started to show quite how exceptional he was.
 

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It is nonsense to be fair, and it always was. But it was the only way to justify that point of view.

The likes of Pirlo, Xavi or especially Modric had hardly PR machines behind them. I mean, Modric is practically a mute. And yet won the Ballon D'Or, same award that Scholes never got a single vote.

The other thing is that United was never a squad that dominated games, especially in Europe and against top teams in the league. Even at our best, we played counter-football. Just check the various games where we defeated Arsenal, it was defend, and then score in counters. Or many wins in Europe (Barca in 2008 for example). We were even called 'a chaotic team' by Del Bosque when we played them (and lost), because of our inability to control matches. I know that United fans don't like to hear this, but we never had that much control in midfield (in top matches). Our strengths were great defense, and amazing wingers. The midfield was a supporting structure.
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Yep agree 100%. In 1999 all our goals felt like get it out wide to Becks for a cross or pass to Giggsy for him to play iso. occasionally we'd play the ball to Yorke who would link up nice with Cole but I felt we were more a get it out wide team under Fergie. Beckham got 37 assists across 2 seasons which is insane for a wide player. Definatley did not feel like possession and control was our main strength. We had solid foundations
 

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Yep, a lot of fans work off stats like goals and assists or FIFA PlayStation Statistics to guide what they think of players.

Barcelona players, the ones inarguably the greatest club side of all time in the late 00s thought scholes was unbelievable. Apparantly in 2011 CL final, Lionel Messi, Xavi Hernandez, Pedro Rodriguez, Sergio Busquets and Andres Iniesta drew straws to see who would get his jersey in


https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsl...hen-barcelona-s-xavi-met-united-hero-scholes/


Xavi “For me, he's the best central midfielder I've seen in the last 15, 20 years. He's spectacular, he has it all: the last pass, goals, he's strong, he doesn't lose the ball, vision."

That’s all the endorsement needed to close this thread.
I agree.

Anyone who can’t understand why we rate Scholes so highly, and want it explained to them, is never going to be convinced - they just see football in a different way (as they are entitled to do, of course).
I've never really heard the term involvements as a stand alone term in football so assumed it to mean goal involvements. In any case your central midfielder should have the most, who else is expected to have more than them.

Funny enough there's almost neen no mention of stats by those in here that have said Scholes is overrated post retirement. It would make little sense to even use that as a point when he scored way more goals than Iniesta and co and probably had more assists too.

Scholes did his job in our team and he did it to an extremely high level, that isn't in doubt. His influence on the team however wasn't as much as some of the players listed already. In fact our upturn in form post Ruud started when Scholes was out in 2005/06. Rooney, Ronaldo and Giggs were the catalysts for our dominance from 2006-2009. Scholes came back in 2006/07 and amplified that even more along with Rio.

The quotes will tell you he was our best and most important player when he rarely was.
And Xavi, Modric and Pirlo.
 

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I will be honest. As unfashionable as it is to say so, I didn't really rate Scholes higher than Keane, Giggs, Beckham etc. Maybe he was so understated (except for his thunderbolt goals) that I couldn't see how he was the glue which patched intricate pieces of play together.
 

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Yep agree 100%. In 1999 all our goals felt like get it out wide to Becks for a cross or pass to Giggsy for him to play iso. occasionally we'd play the ball to Yorke who would link up nice with Cole but I felt we were more a get it out wide team under Fergie. Beckham got 37 assists across 2 seasons which is insane for a wide player. Definatley did not feel like possession and control was our main strength. We had solid foundations
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When you have the best crosser in the game that makes sense, your team should play to it's strengths, United did, that's why they were the dominant force in English football for 2 decades

The kind of football played by the likes of Barca, as technically good as it was, it was often boring to watch, the current Spain side is a great example of it, technically brilliant but boring as hell.

English football for all it's faults is generally exciting to watch even though it's not technically the best
 

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In 2012, Scholes recorded a passing accuracy in the Premier League of 92.5%, which considering he averaged 9.9 accurate long balls per game is a pretty outrageous stat for a central-midfielder.
 

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I've never really heard the term involvements as a stand alone term in football so assumed it to mean goal involvements. In any case your central midfielder should have the most, who else is expected to have more than them.

Funny enough there's almost neen no mention of stats by those in here that have said Scholes is overrated post retirement. It would make little sense to even use that as a point when he scored way more goals than Iniesta and co and probably had more assists too.

Scholes did his job in our team and he did it to an extremely high level, that isn't in doubt. His influence on the team however wasn't as much as some of the players listed already. In fact our upturn in form post Ruud started when Scholes was out in 2005/06. Rooney, Ronaldo and Giggs were the catalysts for our dominance from 2006-2009. Scholes came back in 2006/07 and amplified that even more along with Rio.

The quotes will tell you he was our best and most important player when he rarely was.
Well, I think listening to players may not be such a bad idea. Rooney argued Scholes was the best player he ever played with. Nani said Scholes was the most impressive in training. Just because us fans recognize the more flashier players, the goal scorers and the dribblers, doesn't mean that they are in fact the most vital to the team. Of course, we had the best player in the world at that time in Ronaldo, so of course he was more influential for a couple of seasons. However, Scholes was vital to the way we played. He dictated play, slowed down when needed, pinged a 60 yard pass inch perfectly with such speed and power that it mimicked shots - I recall Valencia struggling to receive them at first (and Valencia had a great first touch). What sets Scholes apart for me was his ability to dictate play and knowing just when to play the long ball and when to play the short pass. So even though one could argue that from one match to another, Giggs, Vidic, Rio, Ronaldo and Rooney were more important, I would argue that overall, Scholes was more vital to how United played and thus the catalyst for much of the great play we saw in that period.

The fact that so many ex-players have said he was the best they ever played with, such as Dyer as well, saying it was a crime the way Scholes was shunted to the left as he was better than both Gerrard and Lampard.
 

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Its amazing that two trolls are keeping this thread alive. Added both to my ignore list.
 

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In 2012, Scholes recorded a passing accuracy in the Premier League of 92.5%, which considering he averaged 9.9 accurate long balls per game is a pretty outrageous stat for a central-midfielder.
That's insane amount of long balls. I imagine they were to the right wing but still fabulous. Wish we had passers like that in our team today.
 

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Paul Scholes could dictate the tempo of a game by himself. I havn't seen other midfielders been able to do that. That's what made him a great player. If we needed to slow the tempo if other teams were getting on top he could do that, if we needed to up the tempo he could do that. He could play 70 yard passes and land it on a persons foot, if he felt it needed to go through center instead he would change his passing style. Everything went through Paul Scholes. Himself and Roy Keane were just unbelievable midfielders.
 
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The trolls can say what they want. People who have actual played football at the top level and coached/managed, i have more respect for their opinions. Theres alot of them. Says it all really.

https://www.footiecentral.com/20150912/greatest-quotes-about-paul-scholes/

Greatest Quotes About Paul Scholes
Posted by: Shantanu Gupta September 12, 2015


“There isn’t a player of his mould anywhere in the world.”
-Glenn Hoddle, former England manager

“Paul is football crazy. I’ve followed him since I took his first-year team all the way through. And while Paul is not very socially confident, give him a group of lads, a football and he’s certainly not quiet.”
-Mike Coffey, former scout for Manchester United

“For me, it’s Paul Scholes. He’ll do ridiculous things in training like say, “You see that tree over there?” – it’ll be 40 yards away – “I’m going to hit it”. And he’ll do it. Everyone at the club considers him the best.”
-Rio Ferdinand, Manchester United teammate when asked who he considers the best player at United.

“One of the greatest football brains Manchester United has ever had.”
Alex Ferguson, former Manchester United manager.

“No celebrity bullshit, no self promotion – an amazingly gifted player who remained an unaffected human being.”
Roy Keane, former teammate and Man United captain

“He’s not the quickest, he doesn’t run the most, he never wins a header, he can’t tackle but he’s the best player”.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, former Manchester United teammate.

“I love watching little Paul Scholes, he’s so in control of what he’s doing and is always so accurate and pinpoint with his passing – it’s just beautiful to watch.”
Sir Bobby Charlton, one of the greatest players of all time.

“What a player Paul is. Everything about him is just perfect.”
-Pat Crerand, Manchester United legend.

“England have lost their best player.”
George Best, speaking about Scholes’ decision to retire from international football.

“I tell anyone who asks me – Scholes is the best English player.”
Laurent Blanc, former teammate of Scholes and part of France’s 1998 World Cup winning squad

“I think we were all disappointed because we all know what he can do. He’s always in the right position, always seems to be at the end of the box when the ball drops in. The complete midfielder – when he’s fit, he’s the best. Some go missing but he’s in the right place at the right time. He’s my favourite player of all-time, unbelievable. If you give him a chance it’s a goal, isn’t it?”
Micah Richards, Manchester City defender, speaking about Scholes’ decision to stay retired prior to World Cup.

“People say he is a great player, but you have to define what a great player is. For me, it is a player who has a bottom level that means his worst performance is not noticed. If he is having a bad game, a teammate might feel Paul Scholes is not quite on his game, but a spectator wouldn’t notice. Scholes, of all the players I have played with, has the highest bottom level. He has an eye for a pass, for what the play or the game needs at that precise moment, that I have never seen anyone else have. These days he doesn’t get into the box too many times, which is where you can see his age, but he has developed tactically. He controls and distributes the play and the game better than anyone I have ever seen.”
Peter Schmeichel, former United teammate

“He is not as good a tackler as you – but I really like him. He’s a little boy, but the power in that shot… he can really shoot.”
Michael Essien, Ghana midfielder

“Everyone of us should emulate him. We can all learn from Paul Scholes.”
Edgar Davids, former Holland midfielder and current Barnet player-manager

“My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder. Scholes is undoubtedly the greatest midfielder of his generation.”
Zinedine Zidane, World Cup winning France midfielder and three-time FIFA World Player of the Year

“Paul Scholes would have been one of my first choices for putting together a great team – that goes to show how highly I have always rated him. An all-round midfielder who possesses quality and character in abundance.”
Marcello Lippi, Italian manager who won five Serie A championships and the Champions League with Juventus, as well as the 2006 World Cup with Italy

“Without any doubt the best player in the Premiership has to be Scholes. He knows how to do everything, and he is one who directs the way his team plays. On top of that, he has indestructible mental strength and he is a genuine competitor.”
Thierry Henry, World Cup winning France forward

“He’s unbelievable – he’s one of the greatest of all time.”
Wayne Rooney

“He is the phenomenon.”
Ronaldo

“What United have got that Chelsea haven’t is Paul Scholes. I think he is different to anything else in English football.”
Kevin Keegan

“I am a big admirer of Paul Scholes, he is one of the best players of his generation and I honestly think Wesley Sneijder is the only player in the world capable of replacing him.”
Arjen Robben, Holland winger

“I have no hesitation in putting a name to the embodiment of all that I think is best about football. It’s Paul Scholes. Many great players have worn the shirt of Manchester United. Players I worshipped, then lost with my youth in Munich. Players like Denis Law and George Best who I enjoyed so much as team-mates and now, finally, players I have watched closely in the Alex Ferguson era. And in so many ways Scholes is my favourite. I love his nous and conviction that he will find a way to win, to make the killer pass or produce the decisive volley. When a game reaches a vital phase, these qualities seem to come out of his every pore. He’s always on the ball, always turning on goal. He’s always looking to bring other people into the action and if he loses possession you think he must be ill.”
Sir Bobby Charlton

“There is no doubt for me that Paul Scholes is still in a class of his own. He’s almost untouchable in what he does. I never tire of watching him play. You rarely come across the complete footballer, but Scholes is as close to it as you can get. One of my regrets is that the opportunity to play alongside him never presented itself during my career.”
Zinedine Zidane, August

““Why isn’t he playing for England? It is crazy. Only in England. Scholes is a great, great player. So experienced and still, for me, one of the best in the world in midfield. Manchester United are lucky to have him.”
Jose Mourinho, August

“I’ve still got Paul Scholes’ shirt at home which I swapped with him once. When I was at Liverpool he was one of the players I liked most. Maybe he’s not valued as much as he should be in England because of the style of football there and because he keeps a low profile. Perhaps he would have been more valued in Spain, where midfielders like him form part of the ‘ideal.’ Fans in Spain rate him very highly and I admire him a huge amount.”
Xabi Alonso, January

“He’s the best midfielder I’ve ever seen. He can pass, score goals with his left, right, his head – he can do anything. And he can beat a player too, plus he loves to nutmeg you! He’s unbelievable.”
Nani

He did not get completely what he deserves as a player because he’s not a “media lion”. He’s not one who runs after the media to be in the papers. I respect that.”
Arsène Wenger

“When he passes the ball it stays passed. The ball goes exactly where he wants it to. I have always loved him for that. I played against him once or twice and he is an absolute genius. He is a role model for anyone who wants to play football. He is a joy to watch. In fact, I wish he was , then I could see his career all over again.” Ian Holloway

“I’d go for Scholesy as the club’s greatest ever player. I’ve seen him do things that no other player can do. The way he can control the tempo of games, and his range of passing, are both incredible. We’ve seen over the years that players just haven’t been able to get near him. And you can’t forget his goals either.”
Ryan Giggs,

“He is one of the top three to five players to have ever played in the Premier League – his passing, movement and technique set examples to everyone, not just younger players.”
Alan Hansen,

“Paul Scholes is a role model. For me – and I really mean this – he’s the best central midfielder I’ve seen in the last 20 years. I’ve spoken to Xabi Alonso about him. He’s spectacular, he has it all: the last pass, goals, he’s strong, he doesn’t lose the ball, vision. If he’d been Spanish he might have been rated more highly. Players love him.”
Xavi Hernández, Barcelona midfielder

“The one role model that stands out the most was Paul Scholes. I look up to him and was lucky enough a couple of games ago to play against United for Villa and I got his top. That’s a big thing for me because in my eyes he’s probably the best player in the world. Even now, even though he’s old, he’s still one of the best in the league.”
Barry Bannan, March

“For any football player in the Premiership, Scholes is a player you want to emulate. One player does not make a team but there is no doubt that the presence of some players add extra motivation and confidence. Scholes is a player with character and is capable of transmitting that mental strength to his team-mates.”
Cesc Fabregas

“I just love Paul Scholes. He’s been the best footballer in our division for the last ten years. He’s a a wonderful player. If they get hold of him and stop him from playing I think Chelsea will beat them.”
Ray Wilkins

“I’m star-struck when I see Paul Scholes because you never see him. On the pitch you can’t catch him. Off the pitch he disappears.”
Luis Figo

“At La Masia (Barcelona’s Academy) his name was mentioned a lot. He’s a teacher.”
Lionel Messi

“If he was playing with me, I would score so many more.”
Pele

“Out of everyone at Manchester United, I would pick out Scholes – he is the best midfielder of his generation. I would have loved to have played alongside him.”
Pep Guardiola

“I want to pass like him. Who taught him how to do that?”
Ronaldinho

“Scholes is the best i’ve played with and he helped me a lot when I was young. He’s amazing.”
Cristiano Ronaldo

“His technique is unique.”
Diego Maradona

“One of the greats in his position has retired. Was an honor playing with Paul Scholes.. RespectForALegend”
Giuseppe Rossi

“When you talk about the greats of Manchester United, he’s up there with Georgie Best, Bryan Robson, Ryan Giggs and Bobby Charlton just purely for the amount of medals that he’s won, he’s going to be greatly missed by Manchester United.”
Gary Pallister

“Paul Scholes has been the best England midfield player for -odd years. You’d probably have to go back to Bobby Charlton to find someone who could do as much as Scholes. When the ball arrives at his feet he could tell you where every player on that pitch is at that moment. His awareness is superb.”
Gordan Strachan

“There is not a better midfield player in the world.”
Sam Allardyce

“He’s always one of those people others talk about. Even playing at Real Madrid, the players always say to me ‘what’s he like’? They respect him as a footballer and see him as the ultimate.”
David Beckham

“It’s a shame he’s not available to play for England. If he was, he’d be the first name in my squad.”
Fabio Capello

At Arsenal me and Patrick (Vieira) didn’t want to face Scholes. We would avoid him.”
Emmanuel Petit

“I’m more an admirer of Paul Scholes than I am of Ronaldo. Ronaldo is a fantastic player, but he has other great players around him every week…Scholes is one of the most complete footballers I’ve ever seen. His one-touch play is phenomenal. Whenever I have played against him, I never felt I could get close to him.”
Eiður Guðjohnsen

“Just heard Paul Scholes has retired, best I’ve ever played against by a mile. Most technically gifted player in english history. Legend”
Joey Barton

“Nobody else in the world can play the way Scholes does. The passes he produces all over the field and the way he changes the game is brilliant. Every manager would like him. But luckily he is here and playing with us. Paul practices that all the time. When he has finished training he always goes out and shoots.”
Dimitar Berbatov

“He sees the game unlike any other player.”
Terry Venables

“Nobody on this planet had a range of passing like Paul Scholes. Training every day was a pleasure just watching him. Unbelievable career.”
Michael Owen

“The only great English midfielder in my career was Paul Scholes. He has elegance in him. Others were pretenders.”
Andrea Pirlo in his autobiography,’I Think, Therefore I Play’

“If you ask footballers to pick out the player they most admire, so many of them will pick Paul Scholes. His passing and shooting is of the highest level and he’s the most consistent and naturally gifted player we’ve had for a long, long time.”
Alan Shearer

“United always had many amazing players, but whenever we faced them we were always, always, always scared of what Paul Scholes could do. Ask anyone from that old Arsenal team, they will tell you the same. If you let him play, he can kill you, and for me he was so underrated. The way he plays: one touch, arriving late into the box, the way he strikes the ball, his vision, his passing. Incredible. I know people used to give him some stick for his tackling, but I liked that. He put his foot in, showed some character, had a go, but I liked that about him too. For me he is one of the best midfielders I have ever seen.”
Thierry Henry

“Good enough to play for Brazil. I love to watch Scholes, to see him pass, the boy with the red hair and the red shirt.”
Sócrates

“One of the best players I’ve ever seen in my life! Spectacular on training! Playing with him was a joy!.”
Gerard Pique

“I think that there have been some outstanding players (in the Premier League era), especially some foreign players who have come in like Eric Cantona. Obviously he didn’t quite have the same impact at Leeds as he did at Manchester United. Then there was Gianfranco Zola, Dennis Bergkamp… but there is only one player for me, and that’s Paul Scholes”.
Gary McAllister Former Leeds, Liverpool and Newcastle player.

“The best illustration I can give of his talent is that at Manchester United there was always a possession drill in training designed to develop our passing ability, which might be three players against another three players, or six versus six, or nine versus nine. But no matter what the numbers were, the side with Paul Scholes on their team would always win by keeping the most possession.”
Gary Neville

“I remember when I played against Paul Scholes, from Manchester. And because he is a midfielder, and I am a midfielder, sometimes we would have to confront each other. He is not tall, he is not strong but he is clever. This is very difficult. To play against someone who is clever. And he was fantastic with the ball, clever how he passed the ball, clever how he would see you. That was interesting to talk about afterwards.”
Edu Gaspar

“They have two of the world’s best young players in Cristiano Ronaldo and Wayne Rooney, but the player who most impresses me is Paul Scholes. He is United’s most important player, he makes most things happen on the field.”
Andriy Shevchenko

“The player in the Premiership I admire most? Easy – Scholes”
Patrick Viera

“I’m more of an admirer of Paul Scholes than I am of Ronaldo. Scholes is one of the most complete footballers I’ve ever seen. His one-touch play is phenomenal. Whenever I have played against him I never felt I could get close to him.”
Eidur Gudjohnsen

“Scholes was England’s best football player. It was impossible to take the ball from him, and he never mishit a pass. He did not belong on the left flank but that’s where we needed him most. He had played on the left in the qualifying campaign, and sometimes even at Manchester United.”
Sven-Göran Eriksson

After picking Scholes as the best Premier League player ever – “I was asked to pick my best Premier League team and he (Scholes) was the first player I picked – I can’t compliment him any higher than that.”
Brendan Rodgers

Paul Scholes was always unbelievably talented. Quiet. And dirty. When he got his tackle right, it was a great tackle. But when he got it wrong, he could kill someone. He was so talented and a player I feel honoured to have played with.”
David Beckham

“Scholes was probably the best English midfielder since Bobby Charlton. Since I have been in England, Paul Gascoigne was the best of those who could lift you from your seat. In his last few years, Paul Scholes elevated himself above Gascoigne. One, for longevity, and two, for improving himelf in his thirties. He was such a brilliant long passer that he could choose a hair on the head of any team-mate answering the call of nature at our training ground. Gary Neville once thought he had found refuge in a bush, but Scholesy found him from yeards. He inflicted a similar long-range missile strike, once, on Peter Schmeichel, and was chased round the training ground for his impertinence. Scholesy would have made a first class-sniper.”
Sir Alex Ferguson in Alex Ferguson my Autobiography

“For me, Paul Scholes has been the best midfield player in the Premier League. By a mile. He has the lot. He scores and creates goals, he can pass the ball, he can head it, and rounds all this off with a competitive streak.”
Alan Shearer

Upon Ryan Giggs taking over as manager and bringing Scholes in as a coach “Paul Scholes is one of these guys who has few words but the few words are so succinct, accurate and to the point. He is brilliant at it. Many times I would bring in the older guard to discuss certain things that we maybe wanted their opinion on. Scholesy had three or four words – bang, bang, bang. He was such a revelation for me for a young man to be so positive, a decision maker. I think Ryan will get the benefit of that now. That was the first thing Ryan did; he phoned up Scholesy – he was on holiday and called him back.”
Alex Ferguson

“I was too shy to ask him for advice so I watched him carefully and tried to dissect everything he did. Then I would try to emulate his strengths.”
Paul Pogba

Maybe one small regret is that I never got to play with Paul Scholes – but I was never going to leave Barcelona and he was never going to leave Manchester United.”
Xavi

“Scholes was playing tiki-taka football when nobody in England knew what it was. He was another of those players, like Denis Law or Bobby Moore, who at probably looked as if he wouldn’t make it. Too small, you would think — can’t run, dumpy little ginger nut — but then the ball would come to him and he would dazzle you. He was the best footballer in that Manchester United midfield, better than Ryan Giggs and Roy Keane.”
Harry Redknapp

“For me, Paul Scholes is on the same level as Ronaldo. The real Ronaldo, not Cristiano. I always thought he was a great player but after I played alongside him I realised he was Manchester United’s greatest player of all time. He did his talking on the pitch which I respected most.”
Fabien Barthez

“The truly great English midfield player of the generation. Didn’t just play the game, he thought about the game. You could see every pass, every decision, was based on his intelligence and understanding.”
Andrea Pirlo

“During our active careers, we met a few times on the pitch. I always looked with admiration to his intelligent movement and powerful shooting from long range. Also, his technical skills and accurate passing were remarkable. He is a true legend.”
-Mark van Bommel

When asked to name the best team-mate he has ever had: “Paul Scholes, The ginger fella.”
-Diego Forlan
 

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The fact this is even a debate saddens me. Anyone who watched Utd regularly from the 90s onwards would appreciate how good he was during an era of absolutely legendary centre mids.

It seems to me that players who played with less "flair" seem to lose some of the reputation/kudos over time - but players like Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Zidane etc... are always revered at the same level. Keane and Vieira are other examples - they would piss on most midfielders considered world class right now but we still get the "how good was Keane/Scholes" type debates.
 

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Well, I think listening to players may not be such a bad idea. Rooney argued Scholes was the best player he ever played with. Nani said Scholes was the most impressive in training. Just because us fans recognize the more flashier players, the goal scorers and the dribblers, doesn't mean that they are in fact the most vital to the team. Of course, we had the best player in the world at that time in Ronaldo, so of course he was more influential for a couple of seasons. However, Scholes was vital to the way we played. He dictated play, slowed down when needed, pinged a 60 yard pass inch perfectly with such speed and power that it mimicked shots - I recall Valencia struggling to receive them at first (and Valencia had a great first touch). What sets Scholes apart for me was his ability to dictate play and knowing just when to play the long ball and when to play the short pass. So even though one could argue that from one match to another, Giggs, Vidic, Rio, Ronaldo and Rooney were more important, I would argue that overall, Scholes was more vital to how United played and thus the catalyst for much of the great play we saw in that period.

The fact that so many ex-players have said he was the best they ever played with,
such as Dyer as well, saying it was a crime the way Scholes was shunted to the left as he was better than both Gerrard and Lampard.
Rooney also said that Gerrard was his best teammate for England. He also said " "I'd say there are two that stand out and they're Paul Scholes and Cristiano Ronaldo," about his best teammates for United.

Nani has named Cristiano Ronaldo as his favourite Manchester United teammate and ranks his countryman above legendary footballers Diego Maradona and Pele as the best player in history.


Some of what you say is true, however history shows United were able to win no problem with Scholes out of the side in season when he was injured or left out. Sometimes even going on winning runs (10 games +). Either we must have a back up Scholes in every squad or this dictational impact has been overstated. The way United was organised we never needed one person in midfield to be the main catalyst for great play. we could do it with Butt, Keane, Giggs (destroyed Chelsea in CL semis 2011)
 
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Rooney also said that Gerrard was his best teammate for England. He also said " "I'd say there are two that stand out and they're Paul Scholes and Cristiano Ronaldo," about his best teammates for United.

Nani has named Cristiano Ronaldo as his favourite Manchester United teammate and ranks his countryman above legendary footballers Diego Maradona and Pele as the best player in history.


Some of what you say is true, however history shows United were able to win no problem with Scholes out of the side in season when he was injured or left out. Sometimes even going on winning runs (10 games +). Either we must have a back up Scholes in every squad or this dictational impact has been overstated. The way United was organised we never needed one person in midfield to be the main catalyst for great play. we could do it with Butt, Keane, Giggs (destroyed Chelsea in CL semis 2011)
Exactly. The midfield was the least important part of our team, very often. We won a title with Carrick and fecking Cleverley in our midfield.
 

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The fact this is even a debate saddens me. Anyone who watched Utd regularly from the 90s onwards would appreciate how good he was during an era of absolutely legendary centre mids.

It seems to me that players who played with less "flair" seem to lose some of the reputation/kudos over time - but players like Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Zidane etc... are always revered at the same level. Keane and Vieira are other examples - they would piss on most midfielders considered world class right now but we still get the "how good was Keane/Scholes" type debates.

Aye flair players are remembered because they tend to deliver memorable moments. Most people don't remember what the guy who ran the game from midfield every week did. I mean Scholes didn't score enough goals or get enough assists and he couldn't tackle and Keane was just a thug that ended Haalands career... right?

Keane and Scholes would be two of best midfielders in the world now. Two of the best midfielders and passers of a football Man Utd and the English game has ever seen. I like watching old Utd games just to see how effortless he made controlling and passing a football. Now we get to watch this Fred and McT taking 6/7 touches and over running it into a tackle or putting it out for a throw. But they still get 80% pass accuracy and that means they are good.
 

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All of a sudden it’s 15 years or so since prime Scholes and as time passes we sometimes see things differently than how they were. Prime Scholes easily walks into any Real and Barcelona side of the last two decades, although it could be reasonably argued that there’d be no room for Scholes when Inietsa and Xavi were at their peak.

His international career hurts his reputation as England managers during that time went with the bigger names, not the players who comprised a better team.