How good was peak Kaka?

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He wasn’t overrated he just burned brightly for only a few years that’s all.

I’m a big believer that if Messi quit football in 2013 he’d still be the greatest footballer ever to grace the game for instance.

Kaka dominated that years Champions League tournament the likes of which Rivaldo never got the chance to in 99’.

Rivaldo didn’t exactly dominate a World Cup either he just happened to play for Brazil. Again I like both players so I don’t get why your fishing for arguments and downplaying one for the other. It’s redundant.
I wouldn't play down Kaka's fantastic Champions League campaign in 2006/07. But to be fair to Rivaldo he had some barnstorming performances himself in Europe in 1999, particularly in the group of death with United and Bayern. But internationally there's some distance between them. Rivaldo had two compelling World Cups - one of the best players in 1998 and a solid case for being the player of the tournament in 2002 - which he was quite comfortably in the 1999 Copa America.
 

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It really wasn't until the injuries kicked in. From 03-04(best player in the league) to 07/08 his only patchy season in serie A was 04/05, which is kinda natural given it was his second season and teams zeroed in on stopping him first and foremost. From 05/06 to 07/08 he was almost a one-man team. Stop Kaka, you stopped Milan

Thank you, someone who actually watched Serie A during these years, a lot of posters just look at stats, and honours and make their conclusions from there, it doesn’t always give you whole picture.
 

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I thought Seedorf and Pirlo were the inconsistent ones in that Milan midfield rather than Kaka. Kaka did have a couple of seasons where you could argue he didn't score as much as he should have in the league considering his role, but he almost always played excellently. The other two, i remember seedorf always getting criticised on forums for his inconsistency though to be fair he was probably past his best by 2006 or so in retrospect. Pirlo after the world cup and CL win seemed to lose motivation and spent his last few seasons coasting.
 

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Hazard is actually a good comparison in terms of talent and stature, except Kaka shone more in the CL, whilst hazard was securing league titles. Kaka also played with vastly better attackers at Milan than hazard did at Chelsea.

Kaka was maybe a bit better overall, but that's his echelon, not the likes of Rivaldo, Neymar et al.
I think Neymar is more talented, but if we are actually talking about greatness and their career overview, I'm not sure Neymar can actually claim to be greater. Neymar has never even placed top 3 in Ballon D'or proceedings. Again, he is more talented, but his effect on the game has not been as substantial thus far.
 

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I'd agree with pretty much all of this.

I've always found Kaka to be somewhat overrated. Obviously a great player who had a fantastic CL in 06/07, but over the course of that entire season Ronaldo was comfortably better in both their respective leagues and at international level. Kaka wasn't even the best in the Serie A that season (that would be Totti). The fact that it came down to our CL tie as to who would win the Ballon d'Or was a bit silly considering we had a side absolutely devastated by injury (especially in defence) and were trying to win every competition while Milan had long given up in the league and were resting players for the CL, plus Ronaldo himself was playing through an ankle or heel injury at the time. The massive CL-bias worked in Ronaldo's favour when he won it in one of his latter seasons purely because of his CL performances, but it would have been nice if he'd won it twice with us like he deserved to.
This. I always felt his 2007 Ballon D'or wasn't 100% deserved although he was a worthy winner. His CL campaign was superb but generally he wasn't definitively the best player that year.
 

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I think Neymar is more talented, but if we are actually talking about greatness and their career overview, I'm not sure Neymar can actually claim to be greater. Neymar has never even placed top 3 in Ballon D'or proceedings. Again, he is more talented, but his effect on the game has not been as substantial thus far.
Neymar has placed top 3 twice in Ballon D'Or, so you are mistaken.

He was 3rd in 2015 and 2017.
 

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Kaka was a better dribbler I think.
And just flat-out faster. I don't think he had KdB's consistentcy in finding a killer pass or cross but he could do stuff himself KdB could never.

The obvious one, skill and timing:

Pure speed in extra time:

Even more speed:

End-to-end sprint

And maybe Kaka had a better long-range shot, I'm not sure.
 

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And just flat-out faster. I don't think he had KdB's consistentcy in finding a killer pass or cross but he could do stuff himself KdB could never.

The obvious one, skill and timing:

Pure speed in extra time:

Even more speed:

End-to-end sprint

And maybe Kaka had a better long-range shot, I'm not sure.
I agree with all of this.
 

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Injuries made his fall from the top incredible, he fell down like a sack of s***

sad really from a viewing point of view, because at his peak he was nothing short of remarkable, was certainly the worlds best player for a period which is a peak every single player on planet Earthcould only wish for

so how good was he?? Better than the rest at the time basically

but his time at the top was short, hence why any GOAT statuses are pretty silly

he was great during those few years, and it was a privilege to see such talent
 

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Still remember that time when City attempted to sign Kaka from Milan. Though they couldnt do it, i think it probably contributes towards his sale next summer to Real.

Before that City attempt, he wasnt linked with any other clubs and seemed as if he will be in Milan for long.

After City attempt, it looked like he could be tempted to move if team like Real, Barca can fork out the right price.