Righteous Steps
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Neymar above him?Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Neymar.
He's closer to Roberto Carlos, Alves and Adriano than to those four, imo.
Neymar above him?Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Neymar.
He's closer to Roberto Carlos, Alves and Adriano than to those four, imo.
Yes. Clearly. Both in terms of raw ability, but also what he's done with Barcelona and Brazil.Neymar above him?
He was also a bit like riquelme in that he only really shone in the very privileged position Ancelotti carved out for him in Milan's midfield. Versatility was not something I'd associate with him.You don’t think that Kaka could have played as a winger?
I have seen relatively slow #10 players like Coutinho, Ozil and Isco play on the wing deliver truly great performances.
Kaka was much faster and more athletic than any of them.
I don’t think Neymar performed better for Barcelona than Kaka did for Milan.Yes. Clearly. Both in terms of raw ability, but also what he's done with Barcelona and Brazil.
Horrific watching, that. He was great at Milan in the year or so after that too, then he went to City and was never the sameWe were probably the best team in Europe in 2006/2007 and he tore us to shreds at OT
Neymar had 39 goals for Barcelona one season and 31 the next. He really gets underrated on here. He carried Barca at times and stepped up in the absence of Messi.I don’t think Neymar performed better for Barcelona than Kaka did for Milan.
RonaldoI'd be interested to see who you have ahead of him, I'd be struggling beyond R9 and Ronaldinho.
All the players I had in mind also@Irrational.
Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Neymar...
Even Marcelo, Cafu, Roberto Carlos were better (if they were attackers).
In his last couple seasons he had a 1 in 2 record in Serie A, the most defensive league in the world at the time as a number 10.Neymar had 39 goals for Barcelona one season and 31 the next. He really gets underrated on here. He carried Barca at times and stepped up in the absence of Messi.
Kaka was brilliant but his Serie A form was always patchy for me. I still think seeing Kaka run through the centre with the ball is one of the best footballing sights though. Pure poetry.
If you was naming any of the aboves best position though you wouldn't have them out on the wing. You'd have them at 10 and they all have that ball retention and rotation I mentioned originally in my first post (barring possibly Coutinho, who himself doesn't have a true position)You don’t think that Kaka could have played as a winger?
I have seen relatively slow #10 players like Coutinho, Ozil and Isco play on the wing deliver truly great performances.
Kaka was much faster and more athletic than any of them.
It was Evra and Heinze lad. Get it right.Goal against Celtic was phenomenal
Jesus celebration
Mugged Evra and Vidic at Old Trafford
Vidic? No - mugged a makeshift United defenceGoal against Celtic was phenomenal
Jesus celebration
Mugged Evra and Vidic at Old Trafford
Kaka was much bigger and stronger than HazardKaka before his knees went to hell was the best player in the world.
He had the speed to burn people but also the strength to hold them off. Considering how tall he is he could dribble like a short lad, with impressive control over his centre of gravity. A bit like Hazard but with less power and more poise.
Watching Kaka run a defence was a great sight. Especially when it was a Scouse defence.
He won the league once in six years in a star studded Milan side and the CL once. In the serie A, Zlatan and Totti were outperforming him every season.I don’t think Neymar performed better for Barcelona than Kaka did for Milan.
I doubt so. All of them have better close control and navigated better in tight spaces than Kaka. His dribbling and pace was more suited in central areas.You don’t think that Kaka could have played as a winger?
I have seen relatively slow #10 players like Coutinho, Ozil and Isco play on the wing deliver truly great performances.
Kaka was much faster and more athletic than any of them.
A "second striker" with two world class forwards in front of him and three top class midfielders behind him.I doubt so. All of them have better close control and navigated better in tight spaces than Kaka. His dribbling and pace was more suited in central areas.
What made Kaka great was also partly down the specific position Milan had him playing in. Its no surprise he hardly thrived in any other teams. He played like a second striker with a high octane game. He's not really a #10.
He won the league once in six years in a star studded Milan side and the CL once. In the serie A, Zlatan and Totti were outperforming him every season.
Lies. Well you not lying about the amounts of titles won but you're lying about him being outperformed by those two in every season. He won Serie A foreign player of the year 3 times during that period, and league player of the year 2 times. Not winning the title doesn't mean a certain player isn't performing.
Nope, he was destroyed by injuries.His career collapse was a weird one because it wasn't your typical party boy Brazilian decline, he just basically went very average overnight.
A bit of the Fernando Torres about his collapse.
Neymar and Hazard are in the same echelon.Hazard is actually a good comparison in terms of talent and stature, except Kaka shone more in the CL, whilst hazard was securing league titles. Kaka also played with vastly better attackers at Milan than hazard did at Chelsea.
Kaka was maybe a bit better overall, but that's his echelon, not the likes of Rivaldo, Neymar et al.
Yea Milan really suited him to a tee - they had Pirlo and Gattusso next to him for a long time, with Shevchenko up front.I doubt so. All of them have better close control and navigated better in tight spaces than Kaka. His dribbling and pace was more suited in central areas.
What made Kaka great was also partly down the specific position Milan had him playing in. Its no surprise he hardly thrived in any other teams. He played like a second striker with a high octane game. He's not really a #10.
So Fernando Torres then....Nope, he was destroyed by injuries.
That performance is massively overrated.We were probably the best team in Europe in 2006/2007 and he tore us to shreds at OT
It really wasn't until the injuries kicked in. From 03-04(best player in the league) to 07/08 his only patchy season in serie A was 04/05, which is kinda natural given it was his second season and teams zeroed in on stopping him first and foremost. From 05/06 to 07/08 he was almost a one-man team. Stop Kaka, you stopped MilanKaka was brilliant but his Serie A form was always patchy for me.
Jesus weptPogba's a good shout. Maybe Oxlade-Chamberlain? Much lower level obviously, but similar profile.
Possibly - wide forward or inside-right/left. But he started out wide at Sao Paulo and moved inside to maximise the impact of his devastating burst of acceleration. He had that rare combination of the type of leggy pace you need in wide areas with the poise, passing and vision you require in the centre of the park. Rate him highly in the right set-up, but he can get a little over-rated if people place his peak on par with Ronaldinho and Rivaldo.You don’t think that Kaka could have played as a winger?
I have seen relatively slow #10 players like Coutinho, Ozil and Isco play on the wing deliver truly great performances.
Kaka was much faster and more athletic than any of them.
Neymar and Hazard are in the same echelon.
I'd agree with pretty much all of this.Great player but like most players, he tends to be overrated over time.
Don't get me wrong, he was a great player to watch and had a decent number of magic moments but he wasn't all that. He benefits from being very likeable as a player and had a great skillset overall but his peak was way too short and it could be argued that Ronaldo had a better season (performance wise) than him in the year he won the ballon d'or.
I feel like he is overrated for the same reason Zidane usually is. Alot of his magic moments / unplayable games were in big games that people remember but unlike Zidane, his peak doing that was way shorter. The lesser games he barely showed up or made anything remarkable for the most part.
When he was on tune, he was really enjoyable to watch though.
He wasn’t overrated he just burned brightly for only a few years that’s all.This is what I mean by overrated.
Rivaldo curbstomps Kaka in a direct comparison.
Also the "bigger trophies" argument is just silly. Kaka won the world Cup with a single appearance off the bench (and did nothing at the world cups he was a starter in). Rivaldo was one of the biggest stars of the tournament. Looks great in a comparison on Wikipedia though.