How many wins from the last 16 games would convince you to give Carrick a contract?

Ian Reus

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Ian Reus said:
Arsenal (a)
Fulham (h)
Spurs (h)
West Ham (a)
Everton (a)
Palace (h)
Newcastle (a)
Villa (h)
Bournemouth (a)
Leeds (h)
Chelsea (a)
Brentford (h)
Liverpool (h)
Sunderland (a)
Forest (h)
Brighton (a)
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I’d say 9/10 would be a good return, get up to 11/12 and I might be able to get onboard!

Assuming the football is like today that is.
 
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That's only because the last game against Brighton we will be celebrating having already secured the league title.
 
Let's wait till the end of the season. Ole was going great and once pen hit that contract we turned to shit.
 
To be honest after today, I'm not as worried about number of wins - the pure enjoyment of watching a brave, attacking performance like that is what iv missed most. if we have another 16 days of watching football like that, I may not be too hard convinced.
 
16, well done carrack, he did well today.

Tactics were brave and it came off.

We need a top world class manager, it’s not about top 4 and 5, it’s about WINNING the league and Champions league over a 3 to 5 year period.
 
Can we not have this conversation? Let’s enjoy what we have while we have it and deal with the end of the season when it comes. We have CL qualification to get through above all else.
 
11-12 wins while playing quality football.

We should also be showing that we win both by hitting big teams on the counter like today, but also by dominating and breaking down lesser, defensive minded teams. On top of that, we need to see significant individual improvement from most players.

If he can do that while getting us CL football, I'd say feck it, let's give him a 1+1 year contract or something like that. I'd probably still prefer Ancelotti or Tuchel, but I also have reservations about them, so it's not like we would miss out on another Pep or Klopp. If we can somehow get Enrique or Flick, we should obviously go for them.
 
For me if he gets CL gets top 5 he should keep the job. I doubt he will but if it ain't broke don't fix it.

No manager is a sure thing. Just look at the league this season.

*unless it's ridiculously fortunate compared to performances like Ten Hag's 8th place finish.
 
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Top 4 not 5. Beat Liverpool, get some results against big teams. Have a clear identity agreement among the senior leadership with him.
Good partnership with Wilcox and of course dispose of smaller teams and show comfortable wins in those are my non negotiables.

Even then he should be considered with other candidates.
 
Steve 007 said:
16, well done carrack, he did well today.

Tactics were brave and it came off.

We need a top world class manager, it’s not about top 4 and 5, it’s about WINNING the league and Champions league over a 3 to 5 year period.
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He could be like Kompany, who did so-so at a lower league team but then looks the business in charge of a big club.
 
Only way he should get the job is if he wins the premier league title.
 
Even if he wins nearly all the games, unless that somehow delivered a title, he shouldn’t be getting the permanent job. He had a brilliant bounce at Middlesbrough and got them into the play offs, and then didn’t take them anywhere after that. We’ve also experienced giving an interim the permanent job after a remarkable run (Ole), and it immediately dropped off.

If he does a really good job, maybe that should influence the new appointment insofar as it should be someone who can take forward what’s he’s done, rather than someone who would starting all over again. But he shouldn’t be getting the permanent job unless actual miracles start unfolding.
 
16.
He set up brilliantly today but we need a top manager permanently
 
Leftback99 said:
For me if he gets CL gets top 5 he should keep the job. I doubt he will but if it ain't broke don't fix it.

No manager is a sure thing. Just look at the league this season.
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Agreed. People care too much about names. Just give it to whoever does best, it’s his turn now - let’s see what he can do
 
Leftback99 said:
For me if he gets CL gets top 5 he should keep the job. I doubt he will but if it ain't broke don't fix it.

No manager is a sure thing. Just look at the league this season.
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He’s won 1 game and is already sat in the top 5. Not sure why consider that our current position being our final position would be some kind of potential miracle…
 
It really looks like Ole dejavu if he do well for the remaining matches and get us top 4/5 and into Europe.

GIve him the contract or go for a really proven coach ala Tuchel, Xabi or perhaps can gice him 1 more year as interim basis if we can convince Enrique to come in 2027 when his contract up (and he rumored to not want to renew).
 
For me to want Carrick to get the permanent job, we would need to:

1) Qualify for the CL.
2) See that league finish backed by strong performances, strong underlying stats and a tactical approach that can be plausibly continued with as we look to build into being PL/CL challengers.
3) Be unable to secure any of the managers I think are obviously better picks.

Which is unlikely. But if it happened, I don't particularly care what the exact number of wins would be.
 
He’s been here before as assistant for Ole for years, that ‘coaching tree’ has been pretty conclusively mediocre.

That being said, if we get top 4 in a strong fashion (winning 12/13 games), I think the ownership will give it to him anyway, because that’s the path of least resistance.
 
My mind is telling me he shouldn't get it regardless.

A lot of managers can get a team firing for a while, but it's so much more than that. How is he going to deal with setbacks, unhappy players, injuries, CL football, media pressure, etc.

I don't want another manager learning on the job, but I tell you what, if he gets us CL football while playing good football, It'd be very hard for the club not to offer him the job.
 
Offside said:
Even if he wins nearly all the games, unless that somehow delivered a title, he shouldn’t be getting the permanent job. He had a brilliant bounce at Middlesbrough and got them into the play offs, and then didn’t take them anywhere after that. We’ve also experienced giving an interim the permanent job after a remarkable run (Ole), and it immediately dropped off.

If he does a really good job, maybe that should influence the new appointment insofar as it should be someone who can take forward what’s he’s done, rather than someone who would starting all over again. But he shouldn’t be getting the permanent job unless actual miracles start unfolding.
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If he won 16 games, but Arsenal (who are 14 points clear with a games in hand) went on to win the league, why would results Carrick has zero influence over affect the analysis his tenure?
 
Arsenal are the best team in the league. Clear runaway PL leaders. They lost only 2 games this season and have conceded just 14 goals in the league. They remain unbeaten at home with a record of W 9 D 2 L 0. In Europe, they won all 6 of their CL games. Domestically, they are in the carabao cup semi final and the FA cup last 16. If we manage to beat them at the Emirates next week, I give Carrick the job full time. You dont beat a team of this quality by chance.
 
If we got top 4 and were good value for it, then its worth considering. I think its important we deserve to be there as part of the top 4 test though, we were top 6 with Amorim but it always felt as though our league position flattered us.

Either way, if i was involved with the club i'd probably want to keep Carrick and his team as part of the new management team for continuity.
 
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