Win every game and he can have it.
How many wins from the last 16 games would convince you to give Carrick a contract?
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Performances need to be taken into account on top of the results themselves. I said it prior to the game but performances like this were expected. He's shown he can coach prior United teams to sit back in big games and punish the big teams on the counter when you take his time under Ole and that 4 game run into account. He even got Middlesbrough to do it against Chelsea.
If he can also show that he can set up a team that can pin the opposition back, break down deep defences, and remain defensively sound on the transition where we've been vulnerable, his name being thrown into the mix is fair enough.
If he can also show that he can set up a team that can pin the opposition back, break down deep defences, and remain defensively sound on the transition where we've been vulnerable, his name being thrown into the mix is fair enough.
12, and the job is his.
It's one game.
Lets see how he does against a low block, or when the players do their usual drop off in their intensity.
And he didn't cut it at Boro in the end, hardly a glowing endorsement.
Lets see how he does against a low block, or when the players do their usual drop off in their intensity.
And he didn't cut it at Boro in the end, hardly a glowing endorsement.
Agree totally with this. If we can get us playing in a variety of tactical setups, successfully. He deserves to be backed by the recruitment team. We'll also have the added benefit of him not having a strong opinion on a particular player from an old club to get fixated on.
I think managers are overrated. A lot of a mangers success is being in the right place at the right time. If Carrick can make this team work hard every game and make them play football to their strengths (ie individual quality goes up) then I would be happy if the club hired him. He can even lose a bunch of games of the 16 that are left, just the manners of how we lose is important. If we get steamrolled because he is too stubborn to change something, that is a red flag. If he insists on playing a player that hasn't been playing well, that is a red flag. If he makes confusing substitutions and it doesn't work out or takes us out of the game, that is a red flag.
If we lose while hitting the framework, have a high xG, or individual mistakes, that is fine. If we lose games because we're riddled with injuries to crucial players, that is fine as well although it will be a lot more difficult to assess his managerial capabilities. If he can make us win against low-block teams and not just being game-raising cnuts, that'd be great. Time is not on his side so he's really going to have to perform miracles to get the job. It's going to be interesting to see how he handles injuries, and not only that but team-morale when we inevitably lose a game 1-0 because we give away a penalty in the +80th minute.
But I don't really see any other managers out there that make me excited to manage our club. So it'd be great if Carrick can instill some fight in our players and get us on the right track. It's not a about how many wins he can get (although getting 16 wins would be incredible and getting 0 wins would be abysmal ) it's more about quality of play.
I don't really care if Glasner, Tuchel or Emery comes here. We've had GREAT managers here post Sir Alex and they all failed. Prestige means nothing at United, anyone can be up to the task even the most unexpected one. If Carrick manages to do well here, gets us playing a certain way well, get us working hard, then he deserves a chance.
If we lose while hitting the framework, have a high xG, or individual mistakes, that is fine. If we lose games because we're riddled with injuries to crucial players, that is fine as well although it will be a lot more difficult to assess his managerial capabilities. If he can make us win against low-block teams and not just being game-raising cnuts, that'd be great. Time is not on his side so he's really going to have to perform miracles to get the job. It's going to be interesting to see how he handles injuries, and not only that but team-morale when we inevitably lose a game 1-0 because we give away a penalty in the +80th minute.
But I don't really see any other managers out there that make me excited to manage our club. So it'd be great if Carrick can instill some fight in our players and get us on the right track. It's not a about how many wins he can get (although getting 16 wins would be incredible and getting 0 wins would be abysmal ) it's more about quality of play.
I don't really care if Glasner, Tuchel or Emery comes here. We've had GREAT managers here post Sir Alex and they all failed. Prestige means nothing at United, anyone can be up to the task even the most unexpected one. If Carrick manages to do well here, gets us playing a certain way well, get us working hard, then he deserves a chance.
I’d really love it if he moves to another country for a few years and try to make a name for himself there, one of the biggest problem with British coaches at large and the Utd crew under Fergie in particular is how insular they are. I’d be much more amenable to making our ex player coaches at the club if they have made sth of themselves in the ‘farmers leagues’ out there, instead of talking a big game on Sky then shitting it in a foreign environment like Neville did. Those leagues might not be as high in quality as the PL but being exposed to different cultures and football philosophies would broaden your horizon and make you a better coach.
14 wins.
Feel like it's Winter 2019 and we're discussing Ole after great start to his interim role.
16 performances like today and I’d maybe just about consider it. If he can manage to get a long stint of consistency against anyone we play then that would be hugely encouraging.
I think the only negative you could possibly take from today is that we’re again left talking about the lack of these types of performances. Our players seem to be able to have 1 or 2 of these a season and then the rest is bang average. It’s up to someone to ensure we do this 90%+ of the time.
There have been so many false dawns.
I think the only negative you could possibly take from today is that we’re again left talking about the lack of these types of performances. Our players seem to be able to have 1 or 2 of these a season and then the rest is bang average. It’s up to someone to ensure we do this 90%+ of the time.
There have been so many false dawns.
Look at that run and I’d say there are 2 that getting anything from would be a surprise and then 4 that are say 50/50 and then 10 that we should be looking to win.
United of old that’s how id view that, but with this lot who knows. They should as I say be capable of winning at least 10 of those and if he could do that and maybe Nick something in those 50/50 games then he’d have to be considered.
United of old that’s how id view that, but with this lot who knows. They should as I say be capable of winning at least 10 of those and if he could do that and maybe Nick something in those 50/50 games then he’d have to be considered.
I was convinced after the opening goal today. That’s how easy I am.
If he achieves CL football I would keep him on a short-term contract.
It's not for us to decide anymore. The club needs to make the decision.
What would be really weird is if he does do about as well as Ole did, or slightly better/worse, and the people that didn't want Ole now do want Carrick. Nothing surprises me with this very strange fanbase after Amorim now though.
What would be really weird is if he does do about as well as Ole did, or slightly better/worse, and the people that didn't want Ole now do want Carrick. Nothing surprises me with this very strange fanbase after Amorim now though.
It's not about the wins though, it's about how we play.
If we win 12 games but they were awful to watch and alot of them luck went our way. Then what would we be doing long term?
But say he gets 6 to 8 wins, the team is playing much better football, team is playing as united, but individual mistakes and questionable referring decisions go against us. Then you'd be looking at what he could do with backing.
If team is clearly playing relaxed football without any true foundation, then are we just going to be another team under Ole.
His big tests are how he can break down low block teams who will sit back. We made chances today on the break, it looked glorious to watch, but I'm interested in how we go on to play Leeds, Bournemouth and Nottingham Forest.
If we win 12 games but they were awful to watch and alot of them luck went our way. Then what would we be doing long term?
But say he gets 6 to 8 wins, the team is playing much better football, team is playing as united, but individual mistakes and questionable referring decisions go against us. Then you'd be looking at what he could do with backing.
If team is clearly playing relaxed football without any true foundation, then are we just going to be another team under Ole.
His big tests are how he can break down low block teams who will sit back. We made chances today on the break, it looked glorious to watch, but I'm interested in how we go on to play Leeds, Bournemouth and Nottingham Forest.
I don't think it should be a certain amount of games but if he gets us playing good football and gets CL he should stay. I don't understand the "even if he wins all games he should go" takes. Yes, we probably should not have signed Ole permanently but he still did better than most post SAF managers and there is no guarantee someone with a better pedigree would not have failed to make the step up too. No manager is a sure thing, especially not the likes of De Zerbi, Glasner and Tuchel we've been hearing about. If Carrick does very well he should get a permanent, shorter contract. No point in worrying about it right now considering it's been only one game.
I don't know if there is a particular amount of wins, as others have said it's more about the performances and their context. Now while I'm open to an extension if everything points to it, the Ole experience worries me, it's not rational but it weighs against Carrick.
16. Reality, no he should not get the job.
It is inevitably going to feel like that.
Ole had the FA cup and the champions league where we ran the players into the ground and finished the season really badly. Carrick has no such distractions which could work in his favor.
He can win every match 5-0, still think we should go for someone else
Depends on who we beat and the manner of the wins. 10 more after today at a bare minimum.
If we get top 4 and Enrique is not available.
Please for the love of almighty, don't give out contract before the season ends.
Please for the love of almighty, don't give out contract before the season ends.
Why would a managerial decision be linked to “wins” only?
Points, fine… style of play, fine… league position, fine.
Points, fine… style of play, fine… league position, fine.
Nah. He's got 16 games. He can't only win half of them.
He has to show he's really building towards something. I agree with you performance does count. If he wins a lot of games because the ball bounced off a defender's backside then that's no reason to turn up our noses at the likes of Tuchel.
But he has to stick the landing. He can't have a bunch of draws as a reason for keeping him.
If Carrick wins 14 of the next 16 playing Man Utd football then that's something to take into account. In that situation if you're asking do we stick with this or go and get De Zerbi I'm sticking with Carrick. If he's racking up the wins, playing the way United should, I'm not pushing him out for someone who's never managed a big club before or won big trophies.
Although, even if we are pushing forward and there's a chance for a really superstar coach you gotta think carefully about saying no. We had Yorke and Cole when we bought Van Nistlerooy. Sometimes when something better comes along you just gotta go for it. If a five times Champions League winner like Ancelotti issues a come get me plea can we really turn it down even if we all love Carrick?
If we can play like today often, then give him the job. It was the best game I have seen United play for years. The love is back. Amorim took it away for 15 months.
We need 10 wins from remaining 16 games to secure CL. That's all I care about. Let's get to that target first.
For me, get CL qualification and he gets a perm contract
I've seen you mention it yourself but Carrick seemingly wanted to dominate possession at Middlesbrough. Wanting to do that and successfully implementing are two different things, but that's one of the reasons he was my 1st choice as interim.
We also saw comments from Middlesbrough fans that Carrick during his time there had one way of playing and refused to stray away, but we've seem today (and during his previous interim stint) that he's not afraid of accepting that the opposition is better and reverting to sitting back and countering so that bit never worried me. I think he'll prove to be quite flexible in that regard.
I'm hopeful that once we get to the Fulham game, we'll see Carrick try a more proactive approach.
It’s not really about the number of wins per se, but if United finishes in the CL places (top 4 specifically) with good performances along the way then it has to be considered. It would be stupid not to.
17 wins plus a league title
Anything else will he a stupid reason to give him a contract.
Please let's not will this into existence, we need an elite coach with experience to manage big clubs and pedigree, Carrick lacks both and I really do not expect him to win 17 games, so all I want from Carrick is stability and results to tide us over till summer and hopefully CL football
Anything else will he a stupid reason to give him a contract.
Please let's not will this into existence, we need an elite coach with experience to manage big clubs and pedigree, Carrick lacks both and I really do not expect him to win 17 games, so all I want from Carrick is stability and results to tide us over till summer and hopefully CL football
For reference, our results in the reverse fixtures under Amorim earlier this season:
Arsenal LOSS
Fulham DRAW
Spurs DRAW
West Ham DRAW
Everton LOSS
Palace WIN
Newcastle WIN
Villa LOSS
Bournemouth DRAW
Leeds DRAW
Chelsea WIN
Brentford LOSS
Liverpool WIN
Sunderland WIN
Forest DRAW
Brighton WIN
6 wins, 6 draws, 4 losses. 24 points from 48.
Why do you not think winning 17 games in a row is enough for him to get the job?
That’d just be silly though wouldn’t it.
The mad thing is... If he performs 50% better than that, and secures CL....
There will be a sizable chunk our support who will be saying that we should get in a replacement with more experience, despite the fact that a few weeks ago that same group of fans were saying Amorim should be given more time.
Make that make sense?!?!
12 wins
Could not agree more
For me it's Enrique, Alonso, Emery. If we can't get any of them then I'd consider Carrick depending on how we play, not just wins.
If he does a great job then what's wrong to consider him for the permanent role? Its just stupid to say otherwise when there is absolutely no guarantee with any other manager, even Enrique (no way we're getting him this summer either way).
It's not the wins, he will also need to demonstrate calmness and strong flexibility to manage games. The players have to look to be growing under him and we need to see sustainable patterns of attack that don't look like individual brilliance bailing him out for wins.
If he did all that, I'd be tempted. So many ifs though
If he did all that, I'd be tempted. So many ifs though
Would not give him the job, or consider him for it, until the end of the season. I said the same about Ole last time and was disappointed when we gave him a contract in March. If we’d waited until the summer we may not have done.
I’m not saying I wouldn’t want to see Carrick hired, but there’s no rush. And there shouldn’t be one even if he goes on a 10 game winning streak.
I’m not saying I wouldn’t want to see Carrick hired, but there’s no rush. And there shouldn’t be one even if he goes on a 10 game winning streak.
Yeah literally the post above you said if we win the remaining 16 games we still shouldn’t hire him
