None. Ole was incredible in the interim season and then hit a ceiling, no thanks, imo this club should be a finishing position of a career not an early or starter position.
How many wins from the last 16 games would convince you to give Carrick a contract?
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We shouldn't make parallels like this. Ole is not Arteta, and Arteta is not Carrick.
Treat as interim unless he ticks a ton of boxes in a short time which seems far fetched, so the narrative is redundant.
Arsenal (a) W
Fulham (h) D
Spurs (h) L
West Ham (a) D
Everton (a) D
Palace (h) D
Newcastle (a) W
Villa (h) W
Bournemouth (a) W
Leeds (h) L
Chelsea (a) W
Brentford (h) D
Liverpool (h) W
Sunderland (a) W
Forest (h) D
Brighton (a) W
That should get us Champions League football. Would take his overall record to 20 games played and 40 points taken with a 55% win rate.
Fulham (h) D
Spurs (h) L
West Ham (a) D
Everton (a) D
Palace (h) D
Newcastle (a) W
Villa (h) W
Bournemouth (a) W
Leeds (h) L
Chelsea (a) W
Brentford (h) D
Liverpool (h) W
Sunderland (a) W
Forest (h) D
Brighton (a) W
That should get us Champions League football. Would take his overall record to 20 games played and 40 points taken with a 55% win rate.
It’s 2026 though
Oh god, way too early for this. Just wait until nearer to the end of the season. Need to see how he does against both big and smaller teams over an extended period of time. As of now we should still be assuming we'll bring in someone more established as a top manager in the summer
Is there any logic to the results you've predicted or is it as random as it looks?
I feel the logic is pretty clear.
Regardless of the question, 10 would be great return.
We have seen time and again the players raise the game against City/Arsenal etc. It's a different level of performance altogether to get them playing well against Fulham or Crystal Palace or Brentford etc at home or everton or West Ham away. It's also harder to play against low blocks and when we have more of the ball. Let's see how he does in those matches, how we play, how he has us playing before deciding anything
You think we will win away to Newcastle, but draw at home to Palace for example? Honestly I don't get your logic so it's not clear, but I guess it's not the main point of the thread.
Get the contract out now
I think you are closer to figuring it out than perhaps you realise.
None , to be honest. It sounds fecking harsh I know. 
Too soon for such thoughts. If he gets champions league and his football stays relatively close to what we saw today then keep him. But if there is a dip towards the end we should let him go.
No conversation to be had now, but if we play consistently as well as we did today, then there is down the line.
Whilst plan A is obviously to appoint someone at the end of the season, if he does really well and the players are fully bought in, we risk damaging ourselves by letting him go. Any new manager would have constant chatter from the usual pundits of “why did they ever let Carrick go?” the minute results aren’t there.
Also, sometimes in life and business, the right solution falls into your lap by accident. As I said, too early to start thinking long term yet, but he really couldn’t have made a better start. Didn’t just get a result against City, absolutely wiped the floor with them.
Whilst plan A is obviously to appoint someone at the end of the season, if he does really well and the players are fully bought in, we risk damaging ourselves by letting him go. Any new manager would have constant chatter from the usual pundits of “why did they ever let Carrick go?” the minute results aren’t there.
Also, sometimes in life and business, the right solution falls into your lap by accident. As I said, too early to start thinking long term yet, but he really couldn’t have made a better start. Didn’t just get a result against City, absolutely wiped the floor with them.
- Finish on 75 points or better
You have repeated what I mean but phrased it better. Yes, if he wins half his games but you can clearly see what he's implementing. For example, he's going for a gegenpressing (not saying his known for it, just an example) and trying to move in quick transitions up the pitch, but aging legs and lack of required fitness let's us down in the final 10 to 20 minutes, but it's working for most of the match.
Then you would be sitting back and thinking, if he has a full summer (not ideal now because of the World Cup), got the team up to his required fitness and was also given money to beef up the squad options, could we be looking at a future. I'd be looking at giving it a go over signing anyone really.
In an ideal world, I'd rather Carrick work out, mainly because he's a United player, an Icon and clearly loves the club. He'd less likely to leave to go anywhere else. Getting in someone like Ancelotti is only short term, he's retiring in how many years really? We then need to replace him.
My biggest fear when it comes to foreign managers is, no matter how big United are, do we have the power to stop them from wanting to go to Madrid or Barcelona if they come calling.
I dont think it is. We should have decided a direction already and started to talk to the managers we want.
If we wait until the summer, it will be shit again imo. Therefor it should not matter what Carrick does as i think we should have a new manager in place before Carrick had the chance to win 16 matches
The same as above, we should have a new manager in place long before he has won 17 in a row
It is not about the wins for me this season. Big Pete said it best and that is how I feel and if I see this over and over again even in loses, he can have it.
i believe in Carrick's intelligence.
i believe in Carrick's intelligence.
Even at 0-0, there was something to enjoy. Good passing, good movement.
It'll depend more on our actual performances and, tbh, who looks a realistic alternative by the end of the season. If Enrique looks open to it then Carrick would need to have been pretty perfect to stand a chance, if it's someone like Glasner I'd be a lot more forgiving. If we end the season with a collapse akin to the one under Ole in 2019 then it's probably not working out even if it was good beforehand.
The Fulham game is going to be the one I'm most interested to see how we play and how he sets us up. I guess though, the important thing is in these last 17 games, we get results. Do we really care for an interim to start playing with a winning formula this season? Maybe that's what the summer is for.
I agree, but Ole was playing counter-attacking football at Man United like we were Everton or some shit.
If Carrick builds a team that obviously plays dominant football and you could see tactical evidence of that, why not.
For me, Ole was fine for a while, but other than a few derbies, we were quite tactically inept and, when shit hit the fan, he looked absolutely clueless, the same as Amorim.
I'd give it to Carrick only if it's absolutely evident he's building a team that can dominate football games, nothing short of that.
Take us past 70 points and he should clearly get the job. That'll take another 10-11 wins and a few draws.
None, we’ve made this mistake before.
That's not to say he wouldn't deserve to get the job though. We aren't that narrow minded.
I'd rather we keep him than the likes of Glasner, Nagelsmann, even Tuchel that are touted as favourites. If he qualifies us for CL and has us playing well as we did now he should continue. If we have a certain chance at Ancelotti. Enrique or maybe Alonso then that changes things. (They seem very unlikely)
I'd rather a well performing Carrick carry forward than any other up and coming coach that will put themselves above the clubs needs and need a year and £500m to get any tune, or coaches that have a tendency to implode/fallout like Tuchel, Conte, Glasner.
I'd rather a well performing Carrick carry forward than any other up and coming coach that will put themselves above the clubs needs and need a year and £500m to get any tune, or coaches that have a tendency to implode/fallout like Tuchel, Conte, Glasner.
That's a tough question, and easy to get wrong, especially after today.
We'll just have to see after the 16 games in charge now won't we.
It's actually a blessing in disguise that we're only playing Premiership games until the end of the season - a proper metric of success.
We want a manager who could win the Premiership title, i don't need a Cup winning manager.
But let's say, out of the 16 games, i could muster 3 losses vs Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool.
And add to that a couple of unfortunate draws....
11 - 2 - 3 and i'd give him the job.
We'll just have to see after the 16 games in charge now won't we.
It's actually a blessing in disguise that we're only playing Premiership games until the end of the season - a proper metric of success.
We want a manager who could win the Premiership title, i don't need a Cup winning manager.
But let's say, out of the 16 games, i could muster 3 losses vs Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool.
And add to that a couple of unfortunate draws....
11 - 2 - 3 and i'd give him the job.
I am already preparing to get on board.
I know I am wrong, I know we have been here before, I know it’s stupid.
But if we keep playing like today and get 12 wins. I’m there.
I know I am wrong, I know we have been here before, I know it’s stupid.
But if we keep playing like today and get 12 wins. I’m there.
Ole’s run as United interim boss:
W - Cardiff (A) 5-1
W - Huddersfield (H) 3-1
W - Bournemouth (H) 4-1
W - Newcastle (A) 2-0
W - Reading (H) 2-1
W - Tottenham (A) 1-0
W - Brighton (H) 2-1
W - Arsenal (A) 3-1
D - Burnley (H) 2-2
W - Leicester (A) 1-0
W - Fulham (A) 3-0
L - PSG (H) 2-0
W - Chelsea (A) 2-0
W - Liverpool (H) 0-0
W - Palace (A) 3-1
W - Southampton (H) 3-2
W - PSG (A) 3-1
L - Arsenal (A) 0-2
W - Watford (H) - 2-1
That is 19 games but a stupidly good run of form. Only losses were away to Arsenal where we were the better team, and home to PSG where we won the tie anyway. Wins away to Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and PSG. It instantly dropped off massively once he got the permanent job, albeit he managed respectable league finishes in the following seasons, but failed as he won nothing and got sacked when we plunged to embarrassing depths.
Carrick won’t do as well as that but even if he does, the only evidence from the above is that the interim bounce can be strong, misleading and the interim manager likely has a ceiling.
I don’t think he should even be considered as a potential candidate for permanent manager unless, as I said previously, miracles happen. I don’t even think 16 wins would fall under that, it would have to be where every single player is playing out their skin every single week and we have numerous academy players breaking in making it feel like some kind of special footballing story flourishing, for me to be convinced. Basically something that isn’t going to happen. Not sure why I feel so strongly about this but it’s just the idea of us making the exact same mistake as before.
W - Cardiff (A) 5-1
W - Huddersfield (H) 3-1
W - Bournemouth (H) 4-1
W - Newcastle (A) 2-0
W - Reading (H) 2-1
W - Tottenham (A) 1-0
W - Brighton (H) 2-1
W - Arsenal (A) 3-1
D - Burnley (H) 2-2
W - Leicester (A) 1-0
W - Fulham (A) 3-0
L - PSG (H) 2-0
W - Chelsea (A) 2-0
W - Liverpool (H) 0-0
W - Palace (A) 3-1
W - Southampton (H) 3-2
W - PSG (A) 3-1
L - Arsenal (A) 0-2
W - Watford (H) - 2-1
That is 19 games but a stupidly good run of form. Only losses were away to Arsenal where we were the better team, and home to PSG where we won the tie anyway. Wins away to Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and PSG. It instantly dropped off massively once he got the permanent job, albeit he managed respectable league finishes in the following seasons, but failed as he won nothing and got sacked when we plunged to embarrassing depths.
Carrick won’t do as well as that but even if he does, the only evidence from the above is that the interim bounce can be strong, misleading and the interim manager likely has a ceiling.
I don’t think he should even be considered as a potential candidate for permanent manager unless, as I said previously, miracles happen. I don’t even think 16 wins would fall under that, it would have to be where every single player is playing out their skin every single week and we have numerous academy players breaking in making it feel like some kind of special footballing story flourishing, for me to be convinced. Basically something that isn’t going to happen. Not sure why I feel so strongly about this but it’s just the idea of us making the exact same mistake as before.
Extrapolating from a sample size of one doesn’t make much sense to me.
Carrick should be judged solely on his own merit - what he does behind the scenes, what he achieves tactically, the impact of his coaching on individuals but also the defensive and attacking units, his in game management, playing style, his vision for recruitment etc.
We need to stop always harking back to our past when making decisions on our future, and that’s as true with regards to looking for a next Fergie style messiah who needs years to build a dynasty, as it is for writing off one candidate because their circumstances have some similarities to a former manager.
We had to give Ole the full time job. Can you imagine what the fans and the media would’ve been saying if we hadn’t? The pressure on the new guy would’ve been ridiculous. Every defeat would’ve been met with “should’ve kept Ole”. That he didn’t succeed in the long run doesn’t mean, in the context of the moment and without the benefit of hindsight, that it was the wrong call to appoint him full time at that moment.
Agree with this.
I said (a while) before Amorim was sacked that we should get rid of him, and bring in someone who would be willing to sign up for the remainder of the season based on the understanding that their remit is to get the team performing here and now.
Regardless of what Carrick's title is, I stand by that. If he shows that he can get the team performing at a high level throughout the rest of the season, and bring home a Champions League spot in a (convincing) matter, he deserves to get the job. And he should remain in the hot seat as long as he keeps delivering that. And if he starts falling short for a prolonged period of time, we should move on.
Simple as that for me.
Especially considering how bleak things have looked over the past two seasons, not even entertaining the idea of giving him the job if he does extremely well would be silly. Let’s say Carrick gets us playing good football and qualifies for the CL. We give him the job, what’s the worst that can happen, really? He’s unable to replicate the form next season and gets sacked. Not ideal, but that’s a real possibility with most other coaches as well. I think it all stems from the idea that the next manager needs to be this messiah who will stay for a decade take us to the promised land so he must be this and that. Needless to say this is all hypothetical, it's been just one game.
Yes, the main mistake we can’t make if Carrick goes on a great run is doing it mid season. Like we should have with Ole, the decision has to be made in the Summer.
Exactly. And realistically, long term success isn’t going to be achieved through such a messiah, it’s going to be achieved gradually via better long term planning and club management and recruitment from the top down which transcends the manager.
I'd wait till nearer the end of season or even after. And even if I don't mind it at that point it time, it wouldn't be a long contract. 2 yrs max.
Although tbh I really don't want us to give the next manager anything longer than 2 years, whoever we get in.
Although tbh I really don't want us to give the next manager anything longer than 2 years, whoever we get in.
Agreed, no decisions should be made until the end of the season.
If we consistently beat the teams we should beat on paper I am sold. I've not seen that since SAF
He is their no.1 option as he is the easiest option. Clearly they wanted southgate but he said no but what about holland. So Carrick is their best option. If they make the CL he is guaranteed the job.