How the Rebuild is going

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I've noticed a trend recently, where our signings are being questioned and sometimes even heavily criticised. Why did we sign both Cunha and Mbuemo? Why would we sign an inexperienced Belgian for such a pressure role? Why no midfielder this summer?

I'm not saying these aren't fair or interesting questions, but in recent years of the last terrible decade one of the most frequent demands made by supporters if to rip it all up and rebuild a squad. That has been started in several failed versions under Woodward's Disneyland model and the terrible signings under Ten Hag.

Sometimes I do wonder if we, myself included, have the stomach to go through what a rebuild actually means, and also wonder how long it takes before you can claim to have 'rebuilt'.

As of today, we are in a position where we have Wilcox dictating a lot, and a huge amount of back room changes. I think it's fair to say that they inherited a total mess in terms of overpaid players and deadwood and are so far doing a reasonable job of biting the bullet and getting rid of what we can for what we can get. From a supporter's point of view, it can be very difficult to balance patience with performances (Especially when as bad as last season and at moments this season) but we also simply have to acknowledge that no rebuild can take place in one or two windows.

So lets go back to September 1st 2024, and see what has been achieved in a year.

This day one year ago, Ten Hag presided over us getting absolutely pasted at home by Liverpool. A 3-0 loss, with an infamous Casemiro horror show, that led to Collyer replacing him.

Our line up one year ago was: Onana, Mazraoui, de Ligt, Martinez, Dalot, Casemiro, Mainoo, Rashford, Bruno, Garnacho, Hojlund*
Subs: Altay, Evans, Maguire, Collyer, Eriksen, Amad, Antony, Wheatley, Heaton, Zirkzee
Sancho out of team after fallout, yoro, Lindelof, Mount and Shaw injured. Ugarte signed the day before.

(Ive swapped Zirkzee and Hojlund here to reflect what our actual regular line up was, as Hojlund missed this match.)

Since then, when we all complained about deadwood and poor attitudes and a mismatched squad, we have offloaded or said goodbye to

Rashford, Garnacho, Hojlund, Antony Sancho, Evans, Eriksen, Lindelof, *One of the goalkeepers will surely go.

9 first team starters or squad players.

Fast forward 1 year, to what would likely be our line up if we had a fully fit team this weekend. New signings are highlighted in bold and I would encourage glancing to the departures to make immediate contrasts and comparisons in terms of profiles. To me the difference is pretty stark,

Lammens, Yoro, De Ligt, Martinez - Diallo, Bruno, Casemiro, Dorgu - Cunha, Mbuemo, Sesko.

Subs: Gk, Maguire, Shaw, Heaven, Mainoo, Ugarte, Leon, Dalot, Mazraoui, Zirkzee, Chido, Mount (a far stronger bench than the Liverpool game)

So we have signed 5 would be starters, and 3 promising young players. I have put in italics 3 players signed by current regime but for a previous manager that they seemed to accept they got wrong. Whether you include these players in a rebuild depends on your perspective.

In terms of signings, what is clearly left to do regardless of what you think of other positions:

A LCB,
A DM

What is likely to be needed:

A R or L wing back depending how either perform this season.
Another central midfielder assuming Fernandes leaves.

So after next summers transfer window, all going well, we should look to have:

Lammens, Yoro, De Ligt, LCB, Diallo, CM, CM, Dorgu, Mbuemo, Cunha, Sesko.​

That's 3 more starters to sign before we could say we've rebuilt a first eleven, and also that is on the basis of not seeing any of those named players fail.

In summary, I think it is completely fair for us to expect to see a pattern and style develop, even as we accept plenty of dropped points and ups and downs this season. Without that of course we are rebuilding in the wrong direction. With the optimisitc outlook that we will see some good progress this season I think we have to give credit where it is due in terms of how this process is going in the last 12 months.

+ We have offloaded players who were simply not good enough, or who had lost motivation to be here
+ We have made very promising signings in terms of established players and younger players like Lammens, Yoro, Sesko, Heaven
+ We are changing the profile of the team in terms of signings

Still to do:

We have two goalkeepers that are not good enough, both should leave.

We may lose Fernandes in the next 1-2 years (this is why cunhand AND Mbuemo made sense), Casemiro will go, and Ugarte needs to show a lot to be anything but another inevitable exit, so the essential midfield rebuild has to be succesful. It is an integral but near final part of what I would say is a 'rebuild' and should we add two quality players there we should be close.

I for one, certainly feel better about the way things are going, and accept that other than midfield we may also need an upgrade on CB, or wing back roles depending on how this season goes. If this season goes well, I would expect next season to be much closer to challenging. If this season sees players in key roles fail, then it would be the season after at best.

What should we want from this season in the context of a rebuild progressing well?

Our wish this season as supporters should obviously be to finish as high as possible while improving, but whether you like any of these players or not we should be desperately hoping that all of the following players improve. These are the ones we need to do well to keep a rebuild on track in the most effective way: Lammens, Yoro, De Ligt, Amad, Dorgu, Cunha, Mbuemo, Sesko.

You may not rate some of these players and may already think we need to move on from them - but they are the ones you should be really hoping kick on and surprise us.
 
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The problem is we've been in a constant rebuild for over a decade. Managers have come in started rebuilding the squad getting in their players and they've had poor results and have been fired - and for good reason. Then the next manager has come in, generally done quite well at first with the players they've inherited and then over time as they add more of their own signings the points have stopped accumulating and then they're fired too and again for good reason. We've been in a perpetual cycle of rebuilding and getting rid of players including the ones we've only signed a year or two before. The current "rebuild" is no difference to the rest of them, but the results might be better we'll just have to wait and see.
 
The problem is we've been in a constant rebuild for over a decade. Managers have come in started rebuilding the squad getting in their players and they've had poor results and have been fired - and for good reason. Then the next manager has come in, generally done quite well at first with the players they've inherited and then over time as they add more of their own signings the points have stopped accumulating and then they're fired too and again for good reason. We've been in a perpetual cycle of rebuilding and getting rid of players including the ones we've only signed a year or two before. The current "rebuild" is no difference to the rest of them, but the results might be better we'll just have to wait and see.

Yeah thats definitely been the pattern, but I do sense a bit of a difference here. Choosing Lammens over Martinez for example, recruiting talented youngsters. If Amorim were to leave tomorrow, I think we could probably stick on the same trajectory here. Cunha and Mbuemo could easily play wide for a 4231, or 433 manager, sesko obviously number 9. So the players we would need remain largely the same. There seems to be a bit more forward thinking at the moment, but maybe Im just being optimistic.
 
Yeah thats definitely been the pattern, but I do sense a bit of a difference here. Choosing Lammens over Martinez for example, recruiting talented youngsters. If Amorim were to leave tomorrow, I think we could probably stick on the same trajectory here. Cunha and Mbuemo could easily play wide for a 4231, or 433 manager, sesko obviously number 9. So the players we would need remain largely the same. There seems to be a bit more forward thinking at the moment, but maybe Im just being optimistic.
we still need a #6
 
As frustrated as I get with our results I’m more confident in the club as a whole to actually perform this rebuild well and get us back challenging. The players we’re bringing in are the right profile in my eyes and we are doing what we have to to shift the rotten ones.

We need two more summer windows to get the job done but we should be starting to see improvements in both performances and results from this season.
 
we still need a #6

For sure, as per the OP i think no matter what happens or who the manager is this is one of the positions that is a non negotiable, as well as a LCB
 
Onana
Lemmens
Altay
Heaton
Dalot
Maz
Deligt
Harry
Heaven
Yoro
Martinez
Shaw
Dorgu
Bruno
Casemiro
Ugarte
Kobbie
Mount
Amad
Cunha
Bryan
Tyrel
Zirkzee
Sesko
plus all the young lads like Leon obi and Co. Squad much lighter and manageable for this season. I'd have liked a midfielder or two but im very happy that hopefully next summer we won't be focused too much on deadwood as we have been before. Huge wages seem to be a thing of the past.
 
I mean we should be able to finish
better than 15th this year. It's not great though
 
I think the rebuild is 50% there.

If we're back in Europe next season, we'll need a big squad and having an attack of Sesko, Mbeumo and Cunha is great. Having Zirkzee and Amad who can also do a job there has the makings of something positive.

Defensively, I think we look good. The main weakness is at RB/RWB.

The midfield is our weakest area. If we were to change for a 433, I think some of the issues can be resolved. The obvious addition is someone more athletic that can partner Mainoo or Fernandes in a 343 or can play with both of them in a 433.

Ultimately, there are still clear weaknesses but the whole squad looks considerably better.
 
It's frustrating because we upgraded our attack and have even (hopefully) added a keeper, but completely neglected probably our worst area. Our attack should be good, defence is kind of ok, keeper should hopefully be decent enough, but we've left ourselves with a really poor midfield featuring players who are either not midfielders, rubbish at football, or slower than my Nan who passed in the 90's.

Feels like we have a gaping hole in our team, quite literally.
 
The rebuild is going relatively well imo.

The primary problem last year was goals, so obviously addressing that was priority #1.

If anyone predicted in April we would wind up with Cunha, Sesko, and Mbeumo; they would've been laughed out of the room. And yet United got it done.

Nearly everyone also thought we needed a keeper, which the club got done as well.

Naturally, rebuilds take multiple windows so next summer we are likely to go big on two new CMs as Casemiro and possibly Bruno move on.

We can quibble about whether a CM should've been bought this window instead of spending money on Mbeumo, but other than that we've done exceptionally well this summer and wildly outperformed exceptions, which in April were that we might only land Cunha and Delap.

Throughout this process, we've also managed to move all the big pieces of the bomb squad out, which will be massive in terms of rebalancing the wage books before next summer.
 
No comments until the end of the season. Not only this year, but we have had so many false dawns about our rebuild that I can't help but feel this could be another false dawn. But it is looking decent for me.

Have been burnt with hope during the 2022-23 season after the first two losses, beating Liverpool. Eth's comments about Liverpool and City not being unbeatable etc. Buying Antony who scored on debut against Arsenal. Rashford looking good, Martinez driving forward with amazing passes from the deep. Handling of Ronaldo. Everything was looking great, the rebuilding of United was coming along nicely.

Then the 7-0 happens and we are effectively a cup team and a lower league club with hopes of finishing in the top 7-10 this season.

Till we show progress and beat big teams and small teams with our tactics and plans, we are going no where with our rebuild.

Teams like Liverpool, City, Madrid, Barcelona have a blueprint and play the same way against Grimsby or United.

We haven't learnt how to keep the ball. This is certainly improving but have to wait till the end of the season judge.

TLDR-> If Amorim is still at the club at the end of the season, the rebuild is going fine.
 
I'm really happy with the profile of the signings this summer. They appear the best we could have got in our current no-Europe situation. All 4 looks like they should still be first teamers in 3 years all going well. Mbeumo looks like a baller too.

In addition, it looks like all of the problem players have been sold/loaned which is fantastic.

I know everyone wants it all at once but I understand if we have to keep our 4 midfielders for now for varying reasons. I think we should be happy with 8-10th this season and then push for CL the season after. This is a massive rebuild of the squad and its makeup over the last 12 years.
 
Casemiro, Onana and Bayandir should definitely be gone next summer.

Bruno I think will be sold to Saudi for big money.

Mainoo could also leave after this summers antics, I think an offer 70m+ and he could leave.

Martinez, Shaw, Ugarte and Dalot should also be on the chopping block. Maguire will leave too.

With this summers sales and the above sales, we should be able to finance 2xCBs, a LWB, a RWB and 2x CMs.
 
Probably need to see how Sesko and Lammens work out. If they both become regular starters , along with Cunha and Mbeumo we could be half way there. We will still need two CM's and a right back in the next two windows to complete the rebuild.
 
In addition to the positives highlighted by OP, I think the reduction in wage bill a point worthy of praise. We appear to have shed significant salaries and also improved on the pitch.

That being said, not addressing midfield this summer is massive mistake imo. It will undermine amorim, or any future manager, all season and I worry it will cost us opportunity at European spots and the resulting revenue going into next summer
 
We've done well


Yeah it was a tough summer for the sales. Coming off a disaster season, tough financial situation, players desperate to leave and us desperate to get rid, hard contracts to shift, world Cup year. I think next summer should see us in a much cleaner negotiating position (apart from Rashford, who we'll be stuck trying to loan out every year til 2028 unless Saudi take him). I think both Bruno and Case will leave after the world Cup and that'll be the last in the squad on huge wages apart from rashford
 
Casemiro, Onana and Bayandir should definitely be gone next summer.

Bruno I think will be sold to Saudi for big money.

Mainoo could also leave after this summers antics, I think an offer 70m+ and he could leave.

Martinez, Shaw, Ugarte and Dalot should also be on the chopping block. Maguire will leave too.

With this summers sales and the above sales, we should be able to finance 2xCBs, a LWB, a RWB and 2x CMs.
I agree with a lot of this, but I think Maguire will stay until hes told hes no longer required, him and De Light cover the Center very well, we have Yoro and Maz for RCB, Heaven for LCB we may just need a left footed LCB.

If we followed your blueprint we could be looking at around 250m to spend next summer, so in order of priority:

Baleba - 80-100m (if his form continues as is)
Wharton/Stiller - 60-80m
Rwb - Vanderon 25m
Lwb - 20-25m
Lcb -30-40m

So at the high it could be close to 300m and at the lower 220m, which would see a full rebuild of a new 11 and replacements, Project 2028 would be looking a realistic target
 
I agree with a lot of this, but I think Maguire will stay until hes told hes no longer required, him and De Light cover the Center very well, we have Yoro and Maz for RCB, Heaven for LCB we may just need a left footed LCB.

If we followed your blueprint we could be looking at around 250m to spend next summer, so in order of priority:

Baleba - 80-100m (if his form continues as is)
Wharton/Stiller - 60-80m
Rwb - Vanderon 25m
Lwb - 20-25m
Lcb -30-40m

So at the high it could be close to 300m and at the lower 220m, which would see a full rebuild of a new 11 and replacements, Project 2028 would be looking a realistic target
This in addition to a replacement of the head coach with a competent one and we will be good to go:+1:
 
I agree with a lot of this, but I think Maguire will stay until hes told hes no longer required, him and De Light cover the Center very well, we have Yoro and Maz for RCB, Heaven for LCB we may just need a left footed LCB.

If we followed your blueprint we could be looking at around 250m to spend next summer, so in order of priority:

Baleba - 80-100m (if his form continues as is)
Wharton/Stiller - 60-80m
Rwb - Vanderon 25m
Lwb - 20-25m
Lcb -30-40m

So at the high it could be close to 300m and at the lower 220m, which would see a full rebuild of a new 11 and replacements, Project 2028 would be looking a realistic target

I can see us looking at options other than Baleba next summer. Wharton and Stiller would probably cost the same together that what Baleba will cost. Obviously a lot depends on how these guys perform this year.
 
I can see us looking at options other than Baleba next summer. Wharton and Stiller would probably cost the same together that what Baleba will cost. Obviously a lot depends on how these guys perform this year.
I hope we give Ligue 1 a good scouting this season for CDMs as a few are looking very good, Djaoui Cisse & Lamine Camara in paticular, they would cost half of what Baleba was touted to be going for this summer.

Very easily could get one of them and Stiller for under 100m
 
I hope we give Ligue 1 a good scouting this season for CDMs as a few are looking very good, Djaoui Cisse & Lamine Camara in paticular, they would cost half of what Baleba was touted to be going for this summer.

Very easily could get one of them and Stiller for under 100m

Agreed. There's no reason to go for Liverpool style Hollywood signings when there's a lot of talent available in the 50-80m range.
 
Agreed. There's no reason to go for Liverpool style Hollywood signings when there's a lot of talent available in the 50-80m range.
I also agree. Need to have our scouts scouwer all of europe and South America for a good defensive midfielder
 
Onana
Lemmens
Altay
Heaton
Dalot
Maz
Deligt
Harry
Heaven
Yoro
Martinez
Shaw
Dorgu
Bruno
Casemiro
Ugarte
Kobbie
Mount
Amad
Cunha
Bryan
Tyrel
Zirkzee
Sesko
plus all the young lads like Leon obi and Co. Squad much lighter and manageable for this season. I'd have liked a midfielder or two but im very happy that hopefully next summer we won't be focused too much on deadwood as we have been before. Huge wages seem to be a thing of the past.
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The problem is we've been in a constant rebuild for over a decade. Managers have come in started rebuilding the squad getting in their players and they've had poor results and have been fired - and for good reason. Then the next manager has come in, generally done quite well at first with the players they've inherited and then over time as they add more of their own signings the points have stopped accumulating and then they're fired too and again for good reason. We've been in a perpetual cycle of rebuilding and getting rid of players including the ones we've only signed a year or two before. The current "rebuild" is no difference to the rest of them, but the results might be better we'll just have to wait and see.

Agreed, I think. For all of the excuses the managers either pumped out, or we fans made for them, none of them actually got better when we gave them “their” players.

I like the players Wilcox has brought in so far, including most of last summers incomings. A 50% hit rate is pretty decent in terms of transfers, and there have been no epically expensive mistakes so far.

We should just let him do his thing and stay on top of refreshing the squad as is required.
 
Our Senior Squad When INEOS Took Over:

When you look through the list of what we had when INEOS took over i'd say we've done pretty well really. It really was a terrible squad, only one of our attackers remains (Amad), all the others have either been removed or loaned out. 63% of the squad are no longer here. You look through the list of players remaining and there are several you feel won't be here start of next Season. Goes to show the level of rebuild required.

André Onana-
Altay Bayındır -
Tom Heaton-
Dean Henderson €17.50m
Lisandro Martínez -
Harry Maguire -
Luke Shaw -
Tyrell Malacia -
Diogo Dalot -
Aaron Wan-Bissaka €17.60m
Álvaro Carreras €14.30m
Willy Kambwala €10.00m
Raphaël Varane Released
Victor Lindelöf Released
Jonny Evans Released
Brandon Williams Released
Sergio Reguilón End of Loan
Casemiro -
Kobbie Mainoo -
Bruno Fernandes -
Mason Mount -
Scott McTominay €30.50m
Hannibal €6.40m
Donny van de Beek €500k
Christian Eriksen Released
Sofyan Amrabat End of Loan
Amad Diallo -
Alejandro Garnacho €46.20m
Mason Greenwood€26.00m
Antony €22.00m
Facundo Pellistri €6.00m
Rasmus Højlund Loaned Out
Marcus Rashford Loaned Out
Jadon Sancho Loaned Out
Anthony Martial Released

In regards to our current squad, I mean it's obvious that next Summer we'll be focussing on midfield. Casemiro will be leaving, Bruno may well go. Ugarte will probably on the edge of being sold too unless he has a recovery in form. I imagine only Mainoo will remain.
 
I think it's going well, but I would pull the rebuild back to when INEOS joined. The first 2 windows (Summer and Winter) under them were all about Defenders - we signed De Ligt, Yoro, Maz, followed by Dorgu, Heaven, and Leon in the second window. All of which I would say have been good to great - we also signed a DCM (Ugarte) and a backup forward, neither of whom has been a clear success.

In the third window, it was all about fixing our attack - and we did that in style with two proven and one highly rated talent. It was also a Summer to get rid of poor characters, and we have managed to do so. We also got a Goalkeeper, which I am excited about, but he is an unknown quantity.

Next Summer will surely be all about midfield, with maybe one defender joining to replace Maquire. After that, hopefully, we should be able to really push up!

The negativity that we didn't get a midfielder this Summer, I don't buy. Yes, we have an area of weakness - but we have now focused our efforts on two of our main issues, and we can fix the final piece of the puzzle next year. We can't do everything in one Summer and splash £500m
 
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The rebuild is going relatively well imo.

The primary problem last year was goals, so obviously addressing that was priority #1.

If anyone predicted in April we would wind up with Cunha, Sesko, and Mbeumo; they would've been laughed out of the room. And yet United got it done.

Nearly everyone also thought we needed a keeper, which the club got done as well.

Naturally, rebuilds take multiple windows so next summer we are likely to go big on two new CMs as Casemiro and possibly Bruno move on.

We can quibble about whether a CM should've been bought this window instead of spending money on Mbeumo, but other than that we've done exceptionally well this summer and wildly outperformed exceptions, which in April were that we might only land Cunha and Delap.

Throughout this process, we've also managed to move all the big pieces of the bomb squad out, which will be massive in terms of rebalancing the wage books before next summer.

I still cant quite believe we got all three. Okay, perhaps at the expense of a midfielder, but again in the picture bigger, if a top midfielder comes next summer, its one step closer, and those signings are a contingency for losing bruno next summer too.
 
We have to wait and see but the signs are positive I think. As others have said, if all goes well and the signings perform and stay injury free, that's almost a good half of it done there.

Everyone talks about the midfield and they're right to do so but I can't shake the feeling we will eventually need better wingbacks and a top class central defender. Hopefully next summer we'll address this.
 
The outgoings were made even harder by useless players being infuriating until the very end.

But when you collect all the receipts from the summer the outgoings could end up being a decent sum.

But when you are trying to sell a pile of shit, you can't complain when nobody breaks the bank to take it off ya.
 
The outgoings were made even harder by useless players being infuriating until the very end.

But when you collect all the receipts from the summer the outgoings could end up being a decent sum.

But when you are trying to sell a pile of shit, you can't complain when nobody breaks the bank to take it off ya.

Yeah a big part of it is just taking the hit and getting it done. We learned our lesson by holding onto players too long thinking theyll come good. Martial for example almost had a decade here. I would have liked Hojlund to work but we cant wait forever. I would have liked Garnacho to not be a nuisance criticised by two consecutive managers. But there are lessons being learned, and a more ruthless bent on things. Rashford, Sancho, Antony all not at the club can only be a good thing.
 
I've noticed a trend recently, where our signings are being questioned and sometimes even heavily criticised. Why did we sign both Cunha and Mbuemo? Why would we sign an inexperienced Belgian for such a pressure role? Why no midfielder this summer?

I'm not saying these aren't fair or interesting questions, but in recent years of the last terrible decade one of the most frequent demands made by supporters if to rip it all up and rebuild a squad. That has been started in several failed versions under Woodward's Disneyland model and the terrible signings under Ten Hag.

Sometimes I do wonder if we, myself included, have the stomach to go through what a rebuild actually means, and also wonder how long it takes before you can claim to have 'rebuilt'.

As of today, we are in a position where we have Wilcox dictating a lot, and a huge amount of back room changes. I think it's fair to say that they inherited a total mess in terms of overpaid players and deadwood and are so far doing a reasonable job of biting the bullet and getting rid of what we can for what we can get. From a supporter's point of view, it can be very difficult to balance patience with performances (Especially when as bad as last season and at moments this season) but we also simply have to acknowledge that no rebuild can take place in one or two windows.

So lets go back to September 1st 2024, and see what has been achieved in a year.

This day one year ago, Ten Hag presided over us getting absolutely pasted at home by Liverpool. A 3-0 loss, with an infamous Casemiro horror show, that led to Collyer replacing him.

Our line up one year ago was: Onana, Mazraoui, de Ligt, Martinez, Dalot, Casemiro, Mainoo, Rashford, Bruno, Garnacho, Hojlund*
Subs: Altay, Evans, Maguire, Collyer, Eriksen, Amad, Antony, Wheatley, Heaton, Zirkzee
Sancho out of team after fallout, yoro, Lindelof, Mount and Shaw injured. Ugarte signed the day before.

(Ive swapped Zirkzee and Hojlund here to reflect what our actual regular line up was, as Hojlund missed this match.)

Since then, when we all complained about deadwood and poor attitudes and a mismatched squad, we have offloaded or said goodbye to

Rashford, Garnacho, Hojlund, Antony Sancho, Evans, Eriksen, Lindelof, *One of the goalkeepers will surely go.

9 first team starters or squad players.

Fast forward 1 year, to what would likely be our line up if we had a fully fit team this weekend. New signings are highlighted in bold and I would encourage glancing to the departures to make immediate contrasts and comparisons in terms of profiles. To me the difference is pretty stark,

Lammens, Yoro, De Ligt, Martinez - Diallo, Bruno, Casemiro, Dorgu - Cunha, Mbuemo, Sesko.

Subs: Gk, Maguire, Shaw, Heaven, Mainoo, Ugarte, Leon, Dalot, Mazraoui, Zirkzee, Chido, Mount (a far stronger bench than the Liverpool game)

So we have signed 5 would be starters, and 3 promising young players. I have put in italics 3 players signed by current regime but for a previous manager that they seemed to accept they got wrong. Whether you include these players in a rebuild depends on your perspective.

In terms of signings, what is clearly left to do regardless of what you think of other positions:

A LCB,
A DM

What is likely to be needed:

A R or L wing back depending how either perform this season.
Another central midfielder assuming Fernandes leaves.

So after next summers transfer window, all going well, we should look to have:

Lammens, Yoro, De Ligt, LCB, Diallo, CM, CM, Dorgu, Mbuemo, Cunha, Sesko.​

That's 3 more starters to sign before we could say we've rebuilt a first eleven, and also that is on the basis of not seeing any of those named players fail.

In summary, I think it is completely fair for us to expect to see a pattern and style develop, even as we accept plenty of dropped points and ups and downs this season. Without that of course we are rebuilding in the wrong direction. With the optimisitc outlook that we will see some good progress this season I think we have to give credit where it is due in terms of how this process is going in the last 12 months.

+ We have offloaded players who were simply not good enough, or who had lost motivation to be here
+ We have made very promising signings in terms of established players and younger players like Lammens, Yoro, Sesko, Heaven
+ We are changing the profile of the team in terms of signings

Still to do:

We have two goalkeepers that are not good enough, both should leave.

We may lose Fernandes in the next 1-2 years (this is why cunhand AND Mbuemo made sense), Casemiro will go, and Ugarte needs to show a lot to be anything but another inevitable exit, so the essential midfield rebuild has to be succesful. It is an integral but near final part of what I would say is a 'rebuild' and should we add two quality players there we should be close.

I for one, certainly feel better about the way things are going, and accept that other than midfield we may also need an upgrade on CB, or wing back roles depending on how this season goes. If this season goes well, I would expect next season to be much closer to challenging. If this season sees players in key roles fail, then it would be the season after at best.

What should we want from this season in the context of a rebuild progressing well?

Our wish this season as supporters should obviously be to finish as high as possible while improving, but whether you like any of these players or not we should be desperately hoping that all of the following players improve. These are the ones we need to do well to keep a rebuild on track in the most effective way: Lammens, Yoro, De Ligt, Amad, Dorgu, Cunha, Mbuemo, Sesko.

You may not rate some of these players and may already think we need to move on from them - but they are the ones you should be really hoping kick on and surprise us.
Think you’ve nailed it.

Only omission is right back. There was a rumour Amorim wants a new rb and I think that makes sense.

Amad can cover but it may be preferable to rotate him with Mbuemo/new right back.
 
No comments until the end of the season. Not only this year, but we have had so many false dawns about our rebuild that I can't help but feel this could be another false dawn. But it is looking decent for me.

Have been burnt with hope during the 2022-23 season after the first two losses, beating Liverpool. Eth's comments about Liverpool and City not being unbeatable etc. Buying Antony who scored on debut against Arsenal. Rashford looking good, Martinez driving forward with amazing passes from the deep. Handling of Ronaldo. Everything was looking great, the rebuilding of United was coming along nicely.

Then the 7-0 happens and we are effectively a cup team and a lower league club with hopes of finishing in the top 7-10 this season.

Till we show progress and beat big teams and small teams with our tactics and plans, we are going no where with our rebuild.

Teams like Liverpool, City, Madrid, Barcelona have a blueprint and play the same way against Grimsby or United.

We haven't learnt how to keep the ball. This is certainly improving but have to wait till the end of the season judge.

TLDR-> If Amorim is still at the club at the end of the season, the rebuild is going fine.
You have alot of comments when you said you will comment only at end of season. Just saying.
 
The business done this transfer window feels so different from our past 13 years.

1. The club doesnt hesitate to ship out players with the wrong mentality where in the past we will give them a new contract.

2. Happy with the type of players we brought in. Not the overprice and untested. Proven players like cunha and Mbeumo. Sesko and Lammens may be abit more raw but at least we balance it with the experienced.

3. I understand there are positions still need to be filled but the rebuild does take more than one transfer window. Midfield is one that needs to be looked at. I am happy that we looked into the attack first as it is the most critical area. Didn't expect a keeper this window but glad we got one.