Yup. His unprecedented success on the pitch has given people leave to excuse him of it, which is fair enough, but that doesn't mean it hadn't happened.
How to fall in love with the club again?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Relationships are hardly ever linear. Football is actually very similar to a romance, you get the intense initial period when you obsessively follow everything, only to either let life’s other priorities took over, or make it a lifelong commitment.
I think hardly anyone here can with a straight face say that they approach every games every seasons with the same enthusiasm. I haven’t missed a United game since I started following the club but couldn’t remember some of the shite performances we had under the last 3 managers, at the same time I still remember trivial games like the time we lost 2-3 at home to Spurs in 12-13, or 4-2 Blackpool last game of the season 2010/11 when we were champions, they needed to win to stay up and went 2-0 up. When the attraction is gone it feels like a chore, hence the ‘falling out of love’ sentiment.
There's no side step or dubstep. I only replied to your posts when you went in all guns blazing with 'Fergie was as bad as the worst of Mou'.
I have no idea what to make of the rest of that post. Some utter guff you post. How come I've never noticed you before?
Wut? How many fans really believe that Fergie could be as bad as Mourinho? I'm genuinely flabbergasted that our own fans would think this way.
It's staggering. Mourinho really did a number on a seemingly significant chunk of our fanbase.
Another sidestep. Nice made up quote, too. I can't remember Jose jeopardising the future of the club over a personal spat with the owners, nor damaging the development of players out of loan because a club sacked his son, nor displaying clear and outright nepotism, or kicking a boot at our star player, can you? Jose was a dick, but the clear and defining difference between he and Fergie was the latter had success on the pitch, and therefore had been largely absolved of it. Using Jose's bitterness as apparent justification for falling out of love with the club doesn't float with me, and I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy in it.
It's all relative though isn't it? Fergie at his boot-kicking, horse-whispering worst was better than Jose at his cannibalistic virus-infecting worst, but both were arguably better than Moyes doing his 'best' 
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.A laughing face and a petty insult while not replying to anything in the actual post? Sidestep. Are you this hopeless all the time?
Are you this mental all the time?
Well, I'm hardly the Adonis of posters here but still I should be able to laugh at someone who thinks Fergie and Mou are dicks only separated by success
Another green smiley and another strawman? I'm being treated to some top bantz today. The first 7 words of your post were enough.You're either being purposely obtuse or you are absolutely clueless of the circumstances surrounding the ROG spat. I'm leaning towards the latter.Well, I'm hardly the Adonis of posters here but still I should be able to laugh at someone who thinks Fergie and Mou are dicks only separated by success
This thread is a car crash
What strawman? Didn't you say that Jose and Fergie are both dicks, only that Fergie is absolved of being a dick because of his success?
That isn't their only speration.
I've tried to steer the discussion back to where it was when the comment was made but in true fashion you want to ignore all context. Now your complete lack of awareness of how damaging the ROG situation could've been goes a long way to validating exactly what I said. If you're going to reply, do it in context.
I've only known United through the fergie years from very early 90s and up until now and I'll never fall out of love United, this club is a huge part of my life, always have been always will be.
I agree, SAF wouldn't call players virus's in public, constantly throw his best players under the bus, moan about needing more CB's. Say during pre-season 'the fans shouldn't bother turning up'. Tell us after getting smashed by Sevilla 'I sit here with Porto, United out, I sit here with Madrid, united out' what kind of scum bag would say that. there's just no comparison between the 2, Jose is pure poison. SAF loved the club and never belittled it or the players.It's all relative though isn't it? Fergie at his boot-kicking, horse-whispering worst was better than Jose at his cannibalistic virus-infecting worst, but both were arguably better than Moyes doing his 'best'
As @ivaldo alluded to earlier, you have this habit of defaulting to bombastic, overarching hyperbole whenever someone loosely disagrees with you. All I've said in this exchange for example is Fergie could be a bit of a dick at times, which is true about pretty much anyone, myself included but you immediately started clutching your pearls like I'd walked into a church and pissed the font during Sunday service or something. I even cited an example where his stubbornness posed an existential threat to the clubs future and the best response you could muster was to huff and puff about how flabbergasted you are. We get it man, you've made it pretty clear where you stand on this matter but I'm confident no amount of grandstanding is going to change how myself or @ivaldo feel about this particular subject so why keep beating this dead horse? All our heroes are flawed and some people are more okay with that than others, it's not a massive deal. We've strayed way too off topic now so I'll leave it at that.
Why? Do you think Bournemouth fans would be as excited about their club if they played terrible football week in, week out; no youth development, no nurturing of English talent? I think you're the one who's got it the wrong way: football isn't the be all and end all for most people, it's entertainment. The average fan isn't going to pay money to go to games if their team is a) shit, b) boring and c) doesn't represent the values the club is supposed to be about.
I mean, it's great if you're one of those people who will still pay your hard-earned money to go to matches regardless of what's going on, but don't expect some kind of respect or take some kind of weird moral high ground which doesn't exist. 'Questionable relationship with the club' - some of you lot act like the club is your nan or something. Get a grip guys.
There is a huge difference. SAF for this club is the greatest manager ever. Jose for this club is a failure. If Jose had won for us a couple of championships and a CL in 3 years, we might be prepared to find more stuff "acceptable". As it is, he is a useless miserable little man that did not help the club at all, good riddance.
This....
you can still love the club but hate the football, they shouldn't be linked. I couldn't stand Moyes after his 'we aspire to be like City/Liverpool' statement. But not once did I ever think to myself; I just don't love United anymore and I'm not interested in watching the games, that will just never happen. I must easily have watched 95% of Moyes, LVG and Jose's games. Most weeks I was left feeling dejected but I never had any less love for the club.
Yeah, that's my point.
I've seen a few examples of how Fergie was a dick, but no-one seems to mention the fact that he was at the club ten times longer than Mourinho and yet Mourinho has more instances of talking shite about the club and undermining the players and the staff. Fergie might have drifted into dick territory from time to time, but apart from a very small amount of situations he always had the club's best interests in mind. Mourinho in comparison was permanently stuck on the dick setting and only cared about his own best interests, to the point where he (in my opinion) actively began sabotaging the club just to get his quick payoff and go back to London.
There's no logic behind comparing the two. Falling out of love with the club because of Mourinho, and also because the board made three disastrous appointments in a row and sucked the identity and soul out of the club, isn't immediately unjustifiable because SAF acted like a cock from time to time. That's like saying you can't break up with someone who doesn't love you, isn't compatible with you on a personal level and actually downright demeans and abuses you on a weekly basis just because you've previously been in a long term relationship with someone who had mild anger issues and had a couple of feck-ups but mostly treated you well and loved you dearly. Mourinho and SAF are on two completely different levels of cock. One is acceptable, the other one isn't.
There's no logic behind comparing the two. Falling out of love with the club because of Mourinho, and also because the board made three disastrous appointments in a row and sucked the identity and soul out of the club, isn't immediately unjustifiable because SAF acted like a cock from time to time. That's like saying you can't break up with someone who doesn't love you, isn't compatible with you on a personal level and actually downright demeans and abuses you on a weekly basis just because you've previously been in a long term relationship with someone who had mild anger issues and had a couple of feck-ups but mostly treated you well and loved you dearly. Mourinho and SAF are on two completely different levels of cock. One is acceptable, the other one isn't.
Completely agree. Before I felt like watching some Mourinho team with everything that includes. Same with Van Gaal and Moyes, they were never proper United teams. Obviously Moyes inherited SAFs squad, but he was so inept that it wasn’t like watching United at all.
Whatever happens now it’s that feeling of watching a proper Man Utd team playing proper United football. We have that aura now, that confidence, that arrogance. Unbelievable to see how much has changed in less than two months. Players like Rashford, Martial, Pogba, Herrera, Shaw all stepping up looking like real United players who could’ve played during the SAF era.
Unfortunately, you are not capable of expressing it properly. Perhaps because you are confused.
Definitely someone who is successful has more leeway, in all parts of life. That happens everywhere. It is trivial. However, this does not mean that a useless moron is entitled to act like a superstar. This would only make him look even more like a complete idiot.
In our case, if Jose (while at Man Utd) behaves like he is equal to SAF, then this makes him look even smaller and pitiful.
If that is your point, then we agree!
Don’t fall out of love.... support
Listen to the lads every week supporting non stop at every away game. Even under Moyes, lvg, Mou.
Listen to the lads every week supporting non stop at every away game. Even under Moyes, lvg, Mou.
I NEVER fell out of love with the club. I lost faith in those who run it, the managers and some of the players, but I NEVER EVER stopped loving Manchester United.
However, I definitely fell out of love and am disgusted with a large percentage of people who claim to support the club. Some of the fans behaviour and comments through these tough times have been disgraceful. Even now there are morons slagging Ole off, calling him a yes man and wanting him out and to be replaced by Poch, just because they think he will spend hundreds of millions on players. It's fecking insanity.
However, I definitely fell out of love and am disgusted with a large percentage of people who claim to support the club. Some of the fans behaviour and comments through these tough times have been disgraceful. Even now there are morons slagging Ole off, calling him a yes man and wanting him out and to be replaced by Poch, just because they think he will spend hundreds of millions on players. It's fecking insanity.
I love the club - but I hated everything the club was about to become. Should I sit home and fake enthusiasm ?
My personal favourite was the guys who on Twitter wanted Ole out for giving Jones a new contract!
Waitttt..... What, people want Ole out? It this a real thing?
If you’re on twitter go and check out @MikeLUHG
The guy is a complete nutcase. He hates Ole because Ole didn’t put pressure on the board to spend hundreds of millions in January, and he said that he’s happy to work with the players he has. I initially found this person to be disgusting, but now I enjoy seeing just how deranged he can get. It’s like all the worst bits of the “trophy obsessed, glazer hating, Woodward out!!1!, success is all that matters now how we play” posters from here rolled into one and then allowed to blossom.
I've expressed it fine, demonstrated by those that have agreed with what I've said. I can't accommodate any more for you lack of comprehension, however.
You seem to be conflating two very separate issues. This isn't a defense of Jose in any way, this is a discussion on why people have fallen out of love with the club, citing Joses attitude as the issue. Those same people are perfectly fine with accepting Fergie and his flaws but not Jose. They accept him because he's the greatest manager of all time, indicating it isn't Jose's attitude, mannerisms etc. that's the issue, but his relative lack of success at the club.
That's perfectly fine to have your love for the club dictated by the results and performances, there's no issue with that. But let's not dress it up as something it isn't. This isn't virtue signalling, I'm perfectly happy accepting that fans, both of this club and others, who travel home and away have a deeper connection to the club than I. I have a friend that makes a 5 hour round trip to go watch bleedin' Luton at home every other week, and then travels to every away game too. He doesn't lose complete interest when the team isn't performing exactly he wants it to.
Nope, do whatever you like.
Never fell out of love. If anything Jose made me hate that I loved it so much.
feck me, are some people ever happy!
I must admit, I did enjoy the Europe win
Getting to these, can see they’re not confident at the back
This is really sad post, to be fair.
Below you'll find three different posts I published here a few years ago. Nothing changed. This is painful, this is tragic, this is unbelieveable. Nothing has changed in this club.
I simply can't fell this is my club. I'm disgusted. I'm annoyed. I'm angry at Woodward, I'm disappointed with Solskjaer and all the other post-Ferguson managers.
This club hasn't given me any joy since PSG game in Paris and before that there was a long gap between Paris and Evra's goal at Allianz Arena in 2013-14.
I love Sir Alex Ferguson, but this club is nothing without him and I'm tired of waiting, to be fair.
Below you'll find three different posts I published here a few years ago. Nothing changed. This is painful, this is tragic, this is unbelieveable. Nothing has changed in this club.
I simply can't fell this is my club. I'm disgusted. I'm annoyed. I'm angry at Woodward, I'm disappointed with Solskjaer and all the other post-Ferguson managers.
This club hasn't given me any joy since PSG game in Paris and before that there was a long gap between Paris and Evra's goal at Allianz Arena in 2013-14.
I love Sir Alex Ferguson, but this club is nothing without him and I'm tired of waiting, to be fair.
And this one, from the thead when I asked you When did you realise that, actually, we're not a unique club?
Manchester United had always been for me this lovely beautiful girl you found yourself in love with. You probably could have fixated on someone whose more beautiful. Back when I was a kid it was AC Milan of the 80s and early 90s who played much better football at the time then we did. She might be snappy at times and can send you in rage form. I still can't forgive us going full skint mode after the treble. Jeez that team deserved 1-2 more CL titles. But at the end of the day you love her because she's got character depth, she's unique and can make you live moments no other girl will ever do.
It's a shame that we're being lead by incompetent people who are only in it for the money. Manchester United, its history, the lovely people of Manchester, its legends and last but not least their fans (even the top reds) deserve better, way better then that.
It's a shame that we're being lead by incompetent people who are only in it for the money. Manchester United, its history, the lovely people of Manchester, its legends and last but not least their fans (even the top reds) deserve better, way better then that.
Not really sure how to address this. My love for this club started when I was young and our family moved to the Manchester area and it lingered after we relocated to Kent and then ultimately to the US. While it's fortunate that the club won its first title under SAF and enjoyed most of its success during my formative years, as I got older I learned how to separate the love of the club from the love of SAF.
As someone now well into his 30's, none of the stuff that's happened over the past 8 years has really affected anything for me...I'm not discouraged by the club going through a barren spell. I live in the US, where parity is systematically enforced across all of the sports leagues and where sustained dominance the likes of what we saw under SAF is just not an expectation. I was also someone who never really subscribed to United, Kids, Wife in that order whether it be serious or not, mainly because it seemed absurd. I'm not sure where I fall in the Top Red spectrum, but I imagine comparatively speaking it's pretty low.
As someone now well into his 30's, none of the stuff that's happened over the past 8 years has really affected anything for me...I'm not discouraged by the club going through a barren spell. I live in the US, where parity is systematically enforced across all of the sports leagues and where sustained dominance the likes of what we saw under SAF is just not an expectation. I was also someone who never really subscribed to United, Kids, Wife in that order whether it be serious or not, mainly because it seemed absurd. I'm not sure where I fall in the Top Red spectrum, but I imagine comparatively speaking it's pretty low.
The way I see it, the sadness we feel is only because we love the club. If not, we would have moved on.
Currently, we are just being sabotaged by the owners and CEO. And I am not even sure how you could stop them from.
Currently, we are just being sabotaged by the owners and CEO. And I am not even sure how you could stop them from.
Totally agree. It is just very high frustration about where we are going.
I think for fans that have stuck around for all the time since SAF left there is clear love for the club.