How would you fit SAF all-time players into Amorim's 3-4-3?

- - - - - - - - - Schmeichel

- - - - - - Stam - Vidic - Rio

Beckham - Keane - Scholes - Giggs

- - - Rooney - - - - - - Cantona

- - - - - - - - - -Ronaldo


Giggs and Beckham were both defensively astute enough to make it work. Beckham had that crazy stamina and determination, Giggs timed his tackles well.

I was slightly tempted to have Evra LWB and Giggs as the L10, too.

I would be interested to know what people think about maybe swapping Stam for Irwin or Neville?
 
Schmeichel
Neville - Rio - Stam
Beckham - Robson - Keane - Evra
Scholes - Giggs
RVN
 
Fun thread. Think Rio, Stam and Keane are the only dead certs for me. Rio and Stam have the perfect blend of physicality and passing ability for the back three and Keane is the type of do it all midfielder you need in this system. Every other position has legit options (Schmeichel or VDS, Beckham or Kanchelskis or Valencia, Robson or Scholes or Carrick, Giggs or Irwin or Evra, Vidic or Pique, and then a whole host of players could play in the front three (Ronaldo, Rooney, Cantona, RVN, RVP, Tevez)). Think I’d go:

VDS
Rio Stam Pique
Beckham Keane Robson Giggs
Ronaldo Rooney
RVN
 
- - - - - - - - - Schmeichel

- - - - - - Stam - Vidic - Rio

Beckham - Keane - Scholes - Giggs

- - - Rooney - - - - - - Cantona

- - - - - - - - - -Ronaldo


Giggs and Beckham were both defensively astute enough to make it work. Beckham had that crazy stamina and determination, Giggs timed his tackles well.

I was slightly tempted to have Evra LWB and Giggs as the L10, too.

I would be interested to know what people think about maybe swapping Stam for Irwin or Neville?
I actually kept Stam and switched Vidic for Irwin in your lineup. Think it would have worked well enough.
 
-----------------------------Schmeichel
------------------------Stam----Rio----Vidic
--Beckham-----Scholes----------Keane-----------Evra
-------------------Giggs-------------------Ronaldo
-------------------------------Rooney

This but I don't like it, I don't think it would get the best out of virtually every player. They'd be much better in a 4231/433, but then that's probably true for most players.
 
Young Scholes would have been a very good CAM in a 3-4-2-1 I think.

Schmeichel
Ferdinand - Vidic - Stam
Valencia - Keane - Robson - Evra
Scholes - Rooney
Van Nistelrooy
 
This is the only right answer.

I just don't know how you don't play Rooney as a 10 in this system.

Personally, I'd go with

VDS
Rio Stam Vidic
Beckham Keane Scholes Giggs
Rooney Ronaldo
Van Nistelrooy

Could you imagine Beckham crossing to the back post for Ronaldo attacking the back post? It would be a cheat code.
 
Schmeichel
Stam Bruce Rio
Beckham Keane Robson Irwin
Cantona Rooney
Ruud


 
The more I look at these formations the more I hate this formation. 26 years of players under Ferguson and this formation only suits a few of the more limited players like Valencia
 
Van Der Sar
Stam - Vidic - Ferdinand
Beckham - Keane - Scholes - Evra
Rooney - Giggs
Cantona

Ronaldo can Feck off!​
 
So i was wondering how AI would answer this thru deep research. I told it to focus on harmony between players and compatibility between them and Amorim's preferred play style, and only judge them by their performance as it was while at United under SAF:

Goalkeeper: Edwin van der Sar While Peter Schmeichel’s legendary status, commanding presence, and incredible reflexes are undeniable , Edwin van der Sar’s attributes align more closely with the demands of Amorim’s system. Amorim explicitly incorporates the goalkeeper into the build-up phase , requiring a custodian with excellent composure, decision-making, and, crucially, precise distribution with both feet. Van der Sar excelled in these areas, providing a calm and reliable starting point for attacks, perfectly fitting the mould of a modern ball-playing goalkeeper.

The Defensive Trio: Ball-Playing Defenders

Left Centre-Back (LCB): Rio Ferdinand Ferdinand was the epitome of a modern, ball-playing centre-back. His elegance in possession, ability to carry the ball out of defense, and wide range of passing make him an ideal candidate for one of the wider centre-back roles in Amorim’s system, which requires defenders to "drive into midfield" and "play passes to the attackers". His pace and game intelligence would also allow him to cover the space behind an advanced LWB effectively.

Central Centre-Back (CCB): Jaap Stam The CCB in Amorim's system often acts as a pivot, stepping into midfield during build-up. Stam, while a defensive colossus, possessed an underrated ability on the ball and the physical presence to dominate this zone. His aggression, combined with his defensive acumen and surprising comfort in possession, would allow him to fulfill both the defensive and constructive aspects of this demanding role. His leadership would also be invaluable in organizing the backline.

Right Centre-Back (RCB): Gary Neville Neville’s supreme tactical intelligence, defensive discipline, and underrated engine make him a strong fit for the RCB position. While not a natural ball-carrier in the vein of some modern RCBs, his understanding of the game, positional sense, and ability to support the RWB both defensively and in attack would be key. His experience as a world-class right-back means he would be comfortable in wider defensive areas and capable of delivering quality passes.

The Wing-Backs: Dynamos on the Flanks

Left Wing-Back (LWB): Ryan Giggs The LWB role in Amorim's system is incredibly demanding, requiring elite attacking output combined with defensive diligence. Giggs, particularly in his earlier years as a flying winger, possessed the pace, stamina, dribbling ability, and crossing prowess to excel here. Amorim has previously utilized natural wingers as wing-backs , and Giggs’s attacking instincts and phenomenal engine would make him a constant threat down the left, capable of fulfilling the expectation to join a five-man attacking line.

Right Wing-Back (RWB): David Beckham Beckham’s legendary crossing ability, combined with his exceptional work rate and stamina , makes him a prime candidate for the RWB position. He could provide unparalleled quality of delivery from wide areas, a key feature of Amorim’s attack when the center is congested. His discipline and willingness to track back would be essential for the defensive responsibilities that come with the role.

The Central Midfield Partnership: Engine Room and Control

Left Central Midfielder (LCM): Roy Keane Amorim’s double pivot requires immense work rate, ball-winning ability, and the capacity to drive play forward. Roy Keane embodies these qualities. His ferocious tackling, leadership, relentless energy, and underrated passing range would make him the engine of the midfield, crucial for both the high press and for providing defensive security when the wing-backs surge forward.

Right Central Midfielder (RCM): Paul Scholes Partnering Keane, Paul Scholes would bring unparalleled vision, passing range, and control to the midfield. His ability to dictate tempo, switch play, and deliver defense-splitting passes would be vital for unlocking opposition defenses and supplying the attacking trident and wing-backs. Scholes also possessed a knack for timely arrivals in the box and a formidable long-range shot, adding another dimension to the attack. This pairing must be exceptionally diligent to avoid being "overrun" , a known vulnerability if the CMs are not perfectly synchronized or lack the required athleticism.

The Attacking Trident: Versatility and Incisiveness It's important to note that while some contemporary discussions of Amorim's system at Manchester United mention "no 10 in this system" , causing issues for players like Bruno Fernandes, a deeper look at his tactics at Sporting reveals that the wide forward roles often function as two "inside forwards" or "number 10s" supporting a central striker. This nuance means that creative players with No.10 skillsets are not excluded but are expected to operate within the fluid, pressing structure of the front three, often starting from wider positions or as one of two supporting a central spearhead. This understanding opens the door for Ferguson’s creative talents.

Left Forward (LF - Inside): Cristiano Ronaldo In his earlier United years, Ronaldo was a dynamic winger with blistering pace, incredible dribbling ability, and a burgeoning eye for goal. Deployed as an inside forward on the left, he would have the freedom to cut inside onto his stronger foot, take on defenders, and unleash shots, fitting the profile of a player who can "take on defenders, create scoring opportunities, and score goals themselves". His athleticism would also be an asset in the press.

Central Striker (ST): Wayne Rooney Rooney’s combination of work rate, strength, technical skill, link-up play, and clinical finishing makes him an almost perfect fit for the central striker role in Amorim’s system. He could act as the "focal point" , holding up play for the onrushing inside forwards and wing-backs, while also possessing the intelligence and mobility to make runs in behind. His relentless pressing from the front would be invaluable.

Right Forward (RF - Inside): Eric Cantona Cantona’s genius, vision, and ability to conjure moments of magic from nothing would make him a devastating inside forward on the right. Operating in the half-spaces, he could link play between midfield and attack, create chances for Rooney and Ronaldo, and contribute goals himself. His capacity to "find spaces and connections" aligns perfectly with the fluid attacking rotations Amorim encourages. While individual brilliance is prized, players like Ronaldo and Cantona would need to integrate this within the team's structured attacks and pressing schemes, rather than relying solely on isolated moments of genius. Their talent would need to be channeled to serve the collective, contributing to combination play and defensive duties as part of the front line.
 
Since the disaster of the season is over and Amorim is staying, I thought we might as well have some fun with seeing how folks on CAF would fit players into Amorim's 3-4-3 using the players that have ever played for SAF. For me it would be interesting in particular to see how people would place SAF's wingers like Giggs, Becks, Ronaldo etc. into a team that utilises wingbacks rather than traditional wingers.

Please refrain from putting Ronaldo in the CF position - whilst he subsequently became the world best in that position at Real he has never played in that position for SAF.

My Selection

GK -
Schmeichel. Close call between him and VdS, but Schmikes edges it in terms of his ability to command the box, scream at defenders who slack off, claim crosses, and his missile-guided long throws.
LCB - Paul McGrath. I honestly think he would have been EPL and Ireland's Baresi had he never come into contact with alcohol. Graceful and cultured on the ball, decisive and aggressive in tackles, dominant in the air, can pick a pass.
CCB - Jaap Stam. It was hard to decide between him and Rio for the CB spot. Ultimately Stam edges it as for being the colossal presence he brings to the box, his game-reading and his ability to always pick the right position to stop opposition attacks.
RCB - Rio Ferdinand. Has more. athleticism than Jaap Stam and would be a great complement to him in RCB.
LWB - Dennis Irwin. I love Patrice Evra, and I will be happy with either at LWB, I just think Irwin is the more complete player.
RWB - Antonio Valencia. Becks have a great engine, and would absolutely make much better modern wingback than a pretender like TAA, but Antonio for me wins for his raw power, athleticism, and pace, something which Beckham lacks.
CM1 - Roy Keane - always gives his all, intimidates the shit out of oppositions, and a great passer of ball which elevates him to another plane over other MF hard men like Vinny Jones or Joey Barton. Roy Keane in his prime was an absolute beast and one of the world best in the position.
CM2 - Bryan Robson. Captain Marvel, the ultimate box-to-box midfielder; great engine, tackles, passing, shoot, dribbling, technique, he's got it all.
LCF - Giggs. I was thinking Van Persie but ultimately my sentimentality wins.
CF - Rooney - It was either him or RvN, in the end it was choosing someone who is the ultimate fox-in-box, or someone has a more rounded skillset and I think Rooney would thrive more than RvN in Amorim's 3-4-3.
RCF - Ronaldo - Don't need to say too much for this one. I don't think other options even came close.

Other close calls:
Cantona - My all time favourite Man Utd player, but I don't see a place for him in a 3-4-3 system.
Scholes - Legendary ability to pick a pass, sneak into box or hit it long but it was either him or Robson. Scholes' tackling just make him a slightly less desirable option in my opinion.
Vidic
Henrik Larsson
Carrick
Well no need for me to post. This nails it.