Since the thread "The fanbase's role in the erosion of standards" isn't open to further replies. I have to ask, how high the standards have to be for a fanbase to reject a manager who has the highest-ever winning percentage for a side that has been finishing as low as us? We blame the Spanish big two for the same but one can at least understand why they are spoiled.
I thought this fanbase had no standards
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Why can’t you discuss this in one of the existing manager threads as it’s related to Carrick?
If they speak well and come out with some soundbites in press conferences, we'll let them take us to 15th, lose a final to Spurs and still give them another season.
If they're pretty vanilla in press conferences and have the highest win percentage in the league since taking over, a lot of us will not be satisfied due to the expected points data.
If they're pretty vanilla in press conferences and have the highest win percentage in the league since taking over, a lot of us will not be satisfied due to the expected points data.
Mad isn't it
We'll give chants to managers who have proven feck all besides breaking our worst records yet require perfection from whoever is tasked with in season clean up duty after said managers flame out
I blame United's post-Fergie decline solely on @Salt Bailly
I can only take partial credit.
Good question and also interested in people’s responses to the OP!
We accepted Ruben’s relegation form in his first season as he needed a preseason and some of his own signings, yet Carrick isn’t good enough for some despite his win ratio.
Bizarre
We accepted Ruben’s relegation form in his first season as he needed a preseason and some of his own signings, yet Carrick isn’t good enough for some despite his win ratio.
Bizarre
When all you drink is piss you develop an acquired taste that you are actually addicted to it. So much that when someone gives you a capri sun you doubt if the flavour is good. Fact: the flavour is indeed good, youve just been drinking the wrong thing.
Carrick = capri sun
Ruben = piss
Carrick = capri sun
Ruben = piss
This is a good analogy and a timely reminder that if you are going to drink piss, make sure it's someone else's.
You somehow insulted everyone with this analogy. Capri Sun...
The difference is fairly obvious, I would have thought.
Amorim was one of the most highly rated young coaches in Europe, someone the club identified as being qualified to be United manager, tied themselves to with a permanent contract, and then started briefing from day one would need a long time to rebuild.
Carrick wasn't one of the most highly rated young coaches in Europe, wasn't someone anyone thought was qualified to be United manager before this interim spell, isn't someone we're in any way tied to beyond the end of this season, and whose future is obviously entirely dependent on short term results and performances.
No shit the former context lends itself to calls for patience more than the latter.
If Amorim had been hired in the same conditions as Carrick (interim manager, contract until the end of the season, no expectation that he was actually qualified to be United manager, entirely short-term focus), he would have been bombed out of here within weeks.
Possession is so overrated here. Posters demands "more control of games" despite toying with liverpool the first half, letting them have the ball.
Posters claim to hate peps tiki taka style but in the end thats what they want. Win every game 4-0 with 80% possession, without a pinch of worry from rivals in the top 5. Absolute madness and unreal expectations
Acording to the caf, possession % >>> results
Give me carrick and counterattacking football all day. Imagine what we might achieve with some proper fullbacks and one or two class midfielders.
Posters claim to hate peps tiki taka style but in the end thats what they want. Win every game 4-0 with 80% possession, without a pinch of worry from rivals in the top 5. Absolute madness and unreal expectations
Acording to the caf, possession % >>> results
Give me carrick and counterattacking football all day. Imagine what we might achieve with some proper fullbacks and one or two class midfielders.
I don't think it's that crazy. An interim comes in, does really well but has very little (if any) pedigree at the top level. There's a general acceptance the better teams have been worse this season + we have been benefitting from playing about the half the amount of games as our direct competition. Results have been great but performances have hinted (even with the aforementioned benefits) of us riding our luck a lot. i can see why some people want him and I can see why others might prefer someone else.
He's done enough to be in the conversation, but it depends what ineos want re style of play.
He's done enough to be in the conversation, but it depends what ineos want re style of play.
We've been here with Solskjaer.
A team that is incapable of controlling games and relies mostly on counter-attacking is not going to fight for the major titles. Look at pretty much every Champions League winner from the last decade: they were all very comfortable in possession and capable of controlling a game, playing on the front foot against most teams. That's not madness, nor is it some unreal expectation.
If you think Carrick can deliver that, fine.
And we've been here with ETH and Amorim. Those shiny hipster new toy managers.
Who gives a flying feck what the standards of the fan base are when they bicker about managers and players while ignoring what the Glazers have done to this club.
The irony of this is that one of the principle complaints about Carrick at Middlesbrough when he wasn't doing well was sterile possession football that struggled to break teams down.
If people are imagining Carrick is a counter-attacking manager who doesn't value possession (for good or ill) then there's a fair chance they're in for a surprise if we end up looking more like his Middlesbrough team over time.
If you re-read the OP the question is around standards of the fans, there's been threads on here in the past accusing fans of being partially culpable in the drop off in performacnes and results. Now fans arent happy with Carrick and think he's not up to the job, which couldnt be further from the truth based on his outputs. We blindly accepted Amorim despite how desperately short he fell, yet want better than what we're currently being served.
Doesnt make sense to me, its a contradiction and i agree with the question this thread is asking.
Doubt it would be PL title infact pretty certain we won't be winning PL anytime soon if counterattacking football is the only way we create chances .
The standard drop for is more seen in going from you only being as good as their last game to pointing out several months/years ago a stat they accumulated looks quite good so let’s keep them in the team for the next year just in case they become good again.
Jesse Lingard would still be playing each week were our fanbase to have any say on matters
Jesse Lingard would still be playing each week were our fanbase to have any say on matters
Is there a coach who can do that with the current squad and get results? Because results are obviously the primary goal Carrick was tasked with. Now, is that the way he wants to play or is it simply the most optimal way for United to reach the CL? I guess it’s not a simple answer.
In general, our fanbase seems to be allergic to the idea of playing to the squad’s strengths and getting the best out of the players that we currently have. More often than not, people seem to fantasize about these long term master plans that when they finally click one day will lead us to dominate football. So many fans were OK with the idea of getting Amorim a full new squad before he could be judged even if nothing was really working at the time.
That's a different disease though. Part of the fanbase is convinced that anyone can turn into a Sir Alex Ferguson so we need to give everyone a few years and full control over transfers. It's stupid.
But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have long-term ambitions and judge managers accordingly. If the club leadership believes Carrick can live up to the task, go ahead and give him the job. But don't do it just because he got some good results.
I think results may prove to win me over, but the play style or the way the team is playing doesn't inspire confidence. But its a risky situation, do you risk wasting a year to find out if Carrick is the man for the job, or do you go with a more experience manager (which can go wrong, as proven by our own history).
Thanks for putting this into words. Carrick is showing great resilience because hes adapting to the players he has at his disposal now