Devil77
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Luke Shaw without a doubt. He’s gone from a solid LB to a world class LB. Very happy for him.
Yep. He has blossomed under the responsibility that Ole has placed in him.Luke Shaw for me. Our best player this season and probably the best left back in the prem atm for me. He's been brilliant.
Absolutely. Ole deserves a lot of credit here. I imagine after mourinho, Shaw's confidence was rock bottom but Ole has really gotten more out of him than I thought possible. Also, buying Telles to provide some competition was an astute move too.Yep. He has blossomed under the responsibility that Ole has placed in him.
A ridiculous statement!I would just save it for next season. I don't think anyone has been a real revelation, including Shaw. He's just been less of a crock and train wreck this season. Unfortunately our standards are so low and players hyped up so much I see some are already calling him best LB in the league.
This is my last post of the day, but to answer the question below, Chillwell has been comfortably better.
Interesting topic. Why would you say he's been "much better" than previous years (I suppose you mean seasons)?Pogba.
Joking obviously, but he has been much better this year than recent years.
Shaw clearly, Fred deserves a mention too for effort I'd nothing else.
Even if you consider chilwell better (I am off to look for the stats), that's only one player who is better.I would just save it for next season. I don't think anyone has been a real revelation, including Shaw. He's just been less of a crock and train wreck this season. Unfortunately our standards are so low and players hyped up so much I see some are already calling him best LB in the league.
This is my last post of the day, but to answer the question below, Chillwell has been comfortably better.
Shaw is much improved this season, no doubt about that. But people are getting carried away on the back of 1 decent season. The other day someone compared him to Maldini.Even if you consider chilwell better (I am off to look for the stats), that's only one player who is better.
I can't believe anyone can watch us every match and not see the incredible impact of Shaw.
Yeah Telles has obviously helped keep Shaw on his toes.Absolutely. Ole deserves a lot of credit here. I imagine after mourinho, Shaw's confidence was rock bottom but Ole has really gotten more out of him than I thought possible. Also, buying Telles to provide some competition was an astute move too.
Last season was decent. This season is more than decent. He is exceptional. He can be the best this season, irrespective of what happens next season.Shaw is much improved this season, no doubt about that. But people are getting carried away on the back of 1 decent season. The other day someone compared him to Maldini.
If he can keep this up for another season, we can discuss him being the best LB in PL, but RedCafe is not known to be biased is it.
Don't see what the issue is with saying he's arguably the best left back in the prem at the moment. It's not like anyone's saying he's the best ever to grace the prem or even the best in the last five years. On current forms he is absolutely in the conversation for best left back in the Prem.Shaw is much improved this season, no doubt about that. But people are getting carried away on the back of 1 decent season. The other day someone compared him to Maldini.
If he can keep this up for another season, we can discuss him being the best LB in PL, but RedCafe is not known to be biased is it.
I disagree. Shaw for me still gets caught out of position frequently, we haven't been punished for it because we control the ball better and have 2 defensive midfielders playing most of the time. It is true he has been really good going forward but the bar for being the best in the league is very high for me. People just go over the top here too easy.Last season was decent. This season is more than decent. He is exceptional. He can be the best this season, irrespective of what happens next season.
Yes no need to go over the top with praise, but what you are doing is the opposite saying chilwell is comfortably better and downplaying his performance.
Bailly - Went from 4 games played last season to 8 games played in this one. And still, the league is not finished.
Lets hope not.Wan Bissaka has morphed into prime RB Valencia
A full back who contributes as much to the attack as Shaw does will get caught out of position defensively. It's just common sense. The benefits of what he brings to the attack far outweigh him getting caught sometimes.I disagree. Shaw for me still gets caught out of position frequently, we haven't been punished for it because we control the ball better and have 2 defensive midfielders playing most of the time. It is true he has been really good going forward but the bar for being the best in the league is very high for me. People just go over the top here too easy.
One Maldini mention isn’t enough to back your claim about the Caf overhyping.I disagree. Shaw for me still gets caught out of position frequently, we haven't been punished for it because we control the ball better and have 2 defensive midfielders playing most of the time. It is true he has been really good going forward but the bar for being the best in the league is very high for me. People just go over the top here too easy.
You wouldn't be saying that if we actually got punished for him getting caught out of position. Lets face it, this forum swings on the "recent memory" mostly. Hell if we lose a next couple of games with Shaw's mistakes, this place will swing entirely in the other direction. Prime example? 2nd ROMA goal. Guess who was keeping everyone onside? Now imagine if we'd lost that game.A full back who contributes as much to the attack as Shaw does will get caught out of position defensively. It's just common sense. The benefits of what he brings to the attack far outweigh him getting caught sometimes.
Haha - I am not going around noting everything that's being said. I am not even here most of the time. Maldini hyperbole stuck because its so outrageous and ridiculous but that's so redcafe.One Maldini mention isn’t enough to back your claim about the Caf overhyping.
Btw, you’re going under the top. Shaw has been magnificent this season, and is just going from strength to strength under Ole.
This.Luke Shaw for me. Our best player this season and probably the best left back in the prem atm for me. He's been brilliant.
I would for one. Sausage was quite right, an attacking full back does get caught out of position more often, what happens then depends on how well coached the team are, and how well the players respond to the coaching of course.You wouldn't be saying that if we actually got punished for him getting caught out of position. Lets face it, this forum swings on the "recent memory" mostly. Hell if we lose a next couple of games with Shaw's mistakes, this place will swing entirely in the other direction. Prime example? 2nd ROMA goal. Guess who was keeping everyone onside? Now imagine if we'd lost that game.
It was a compliment. Really happy with the progress a lot of our players have made over the past two seasons. This is my favourite United squad in a long time, win or lose I've got a lot of time for Ole and trust his process fully.Lets hope not.
Regarding Shaw you should go to Specsavers.I would just save it for next season. I don't think anyone has been a real revelation, including Shaw. He's just been less of a crock and train wreck this season. Unfortunately our standards are so low and players hyped up so much I see some are already calling him best LB in the league.
This is my last post of the day, but to answer the question below, Chillwell has been comfortably better.
He is not even the best player on his own team. A certain Bruno is. You guys really should stop with the hyperbole, its getting ridiculous between best player and maldini.Regarding Shaw you should go to Specsavers.
How can you not see his touch, control, positioning, going past players with ease, his crossing? He is the best LB in the league and our best player. Ok the last bit about our best player is debatable but he’s in that debate
Give over, Shaw has been our most consistent player.He is not even the best player on his own team. A certain Bruno is. You guys really should stop with the hyperbole, its getting ridiculous between best player and maldini.
ThisLuke Shaw, followed closely by Fred.
Haha - I am not going around noting everything that's being said. I am not even here most of the time. Maldini hyperbole stuck because its so outrageous and ridiculous but that's so redcafe.
Absolutely. Consistently 7/10 and more often than not more than that. I think some people get more and more entrenched into opinions the more others disagree with them, despite all evidence being to the contrary. Sometimes, when everyone else disagrees you have to wonder whether maybe it's not you that's right and everyone else that's wrong.Give over, Shaw has been our most consistent player.
Ridiculous. Its like Bruno doesn't exist anymore because we 'assume' a midfielder to score 26 goals and 18 assists in his first full season at united.Give over, Shaw has been our most consistent player.