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I'm not losing the plot. Rom had wanted out since our own fans mocking his first touch. Smalling is still ours, and Herera is woodward's fault who refuse to double his salary.

Among these 3, Herrera is the only one who would made any different.
You don't think Smalling would have made a difference partnering Maguire than that sack of shite Lindelof? Yea the same Lindelof who cannot head a ball to save his life. Heading a ball is a big part of English football even now.
 

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Take social media in that time and you would have seen exactly the same shit.
Actually I don't think so. Folks in that time were a bit more gritty and less entitled. But at the same time, Manchester United weren't yet the most successful team in England. So dare I say the standards were lower for the club. And even then, United weren't this haplessly managed by a man smiling after losing games and drawing at home to newly promoted sides. Ferguson breathed fire and passion even then, not to mention he'd actually won a meaningful thing or two to moot.
 

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Why do people forget how terrible we were after Ole was appointed permanent manager. We didn't play with urgency, no pattern, we were just complacent. People say injuries are to blame for our current situation but these problems were there even without injuries last season or have we forgotten? We lost to an Everton side in a game where Martial Rashford Lukaku Pogba Matic and Fred were all present. We lost 4 - 0 and couldn't get one single goal. Or are these players not enough to score

We lost to Cardiff with Pogba Mcctominay Rashford Greenwood Lingard and Pereira. Are these players not good enough to beat a Cardiff side. Funny thing is when Ole first came we destroyed this same Cardiff team 5 - 1.

We drew against Hiddersfield even with Pogba in the team. Yep no injuries. Lost to wolves twice after facing them in the space of three games. No injuries to our main players there too. I'm not even mentioning how horrible we were in all those games and other games as well

I've come to a conclusion that people will always find excuses for Ole's incompetence. This is someone that started benching Martial last season because of his complacency and lack of movement and then the next thing he decides to do is give him the striker role the next season without any solid back up.

How badly do we have to lose really before we all come to the same page that Ole has to go.
 
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Why would any one think Ole needs more) time. He has nothing in his past managerial experience to show that he deserves more time. If Ferguson Klopp Guardiola Pochettino Rodgers Zidane Sarri etc were all playing shit in their current clubs you could at least run and check their past to see why they deserve time and then you decide to keep them and give them a chance. The only thing you will find from Ole's past is reasons why he should be sacked with immediate effect.

A manager's past work should always be one of the major criterias for measuring whether he can carry out a rebuild or not. Has he done this before and was successful? Instead for Ole we are just looking at his vision and what he promises. Give him time and all what he is saying will come true. What evidence is there that he can carry out a rebuild. We look at Liverpool and you see were they are now that's because they hired a proven manager that has shown he can carry out a rebuild. Since Ferguson left we've been clamoring for a rebuild but instead our board has gone on to hire managers that have no past experience in ever rebuilding a team
 

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The Community Shield :lol:

"But he won 3 trophies"
"What were the trophies?"
"It doesn't matter. He won 3!"

I'll let Roy Keane take it from here:
Since we are discussing trophies, what are your thoughts on the other 2 trophies? Are they as hilarious as the charity shield? Please share what Roy Keane thinks too.
 

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Why would any one think Ole needs more) time. He has nothing in his past managerial experience to show that he deserves more time. If Ferguson Klopp Guardiola Pochettino Rodgers Zidane Sarri etc were all playing shit in their current clubs you could at least run and check their past to see why they deserve time and then you decide to keep them and give them a chance. The only thing you will find from Ole's past is reasons why he should be sacked with immediate effect.

A manager's past work should always be one of the major criterias for measuring whether he can carry out a rebuild or not. Has he done this before and was successful? Instead for Ole we are just looking at his vision and what he promises. Give him time and all what he is saying will come true. What evidence is there that he can carry out a rebuild. We look at Liverpool and you see were they are now that's because they hired a proven manager that has shown he can carry out a rebuild. Since Ferguson left we've been clamoring for a rebuild but instead our board has gone on to hire managers that have no past experience in ever rebuilding a team
Take a time out. You sound like you gonna pop a blood vessel.

Firstly, you need to get your hands dirty to gather experience. You also need time and money(if you don't have the tools) to start to implement a vision. Also a bit of luck would help. Only then you can sit back and judge. It's too early now.

Secondly, you sound a bit like a nosy neighbor, trying to find out what's cooking in their pot. When you speak of Klopp, you need to realise that there was little expectation from Liverpool (club, fans) when they hired him. Heck they've been in the abyss for better part of 3 decades. The least they would have expected from him would have been a team playing good football and competing.
You cannot compare this with UTD, our expectations are much higher due to the fact of our exceptional success over the past 30 years. So, any manager including Ole would be under immense pressure. The difference with Ole is that, everyone (Club, Fans), are willing to give him time. There is only one reason for this, everybody knows that Ole will do what's right for the club. If he wanted to he could have complained about the lack of transfer money afforded to him this past window, but he's not a bitch like Mourinho, and is willing to bring the kids through and buy when he can. This isn't an ideal situation, we (you and me) would like to get better players in quicker, but it is what it is. Is this Ole's fault? No!

Third, this phased approach we have adopted has only just begun with phase one being the last window where we have bought 3 decent players. We do not generally buy in January, it would be a beneficial if we could get in at least one midfield player, however, phase two will be the summer. I hope we address the midfield then.

You can be sure that Ole is not happy with the performance of the team and the inconsistency. Let's be honest here, the man is a winner and persistent. His playing career has proven that. There is no way he is anywhere close to being happy with what is going on, but you can be sure that he will be trying his utmost to do whats right for the club. I would not be able to confidently say this with our previous 3 managers.

Take a pill mate, enjoy the festive season.
 

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No PL manager has ever turned it around from a position like this yet somehow you think a manager who has never shown any semblance of being able to cut it at PL level, let alone one of the world's biggest clubs, will finally be the one who breaks the trend and does that?

Seriously can I have what you're smoking?
As much as they don't want to admit it, this is exactly why they want to give Ole more time. Something to brag to their colleagues about, and an amazing tale of how an under-fire club legend rose from the ashes to become our messiah. If they could choose between a regular manager like Jose or Poch to win titles for us, or being patient with Ole until he finally wins a trophy however long it may take, you'd know they would choose the latter.
 

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Since we are discussing trophies, what are your thoughts on the other 2 trophies? Are they as hilarious as the charity shield? Please share what Roy Keane thinks too.
He probably thinks they are Mickey Mouse trophies, given he has a CL and multiple PL medals.

Here is a thought experiment: Imagine Mourinho was the Liverpool manager and bragged about winning the Europa League, League Cup, and Community Sheild as his achievements. Do you think he would be ridiculed? I rest my case.

He's the winner of 2 minor trophies at United. That's his legacy at the club.
 

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He probably thinks they are Mickey Mouse trophies, given he has a CL and multiple PL medals.

Here is a thought experiment: Imagine Mourinho was the Liverpool manager and bragged about winning the Europa League, League Cup, and Community Sheild as his achievements. Do you think he would be ridiculed? I rest my case.

He's the winner of 2 minor trophies at United. That's his legacy at the club.
What?

He has the audacity to think they are Mickey Mouse trophies, when he has never won a single trophy in his entire managerial career? :houllier:

Achievements are achievements. Trophies are trophies. Facts are facts. You can't just dismiss the trophies even if they are minor cups. How easy did you think it is to win the Europa League and the league cup with the squad that we had?? You should take a break from Football Manager and watch some real football.

Here's another thought experiment for you. Fans like you have already downplayed Jose's achievements at our club. Imagine if Ole won the league cup. Do you think fans like you will deem his appointment as a success and "on the right path"? You guys are so desperate for Ole, and only Ole, to succeed that it's getting ridiculous.
 

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Take a time out. You sound like you gonna pop a blood vessel.

Firstly, you need to get your hands dirty to gather experience. You also need time and money(if you don't have the tools) to start to implement a vision. Also a bit of luck would help. Only then you can sit back and judge. It's too early now.

Secondly, you sound a bit like a nosy neighbor, trying to find out what's cooking in their pot. When you speak of Klopp, you need to realise that there was little expectation from Liverpool (club, fans) when they hired him. Heck they've been in the abyss for better part of 3 decades. The least they would have expected from him would have been a team playing good football and competing.
You cannot compare this with UTD, our expectations are much higher due to the fact of our exceptional success over the past 30 years. So, any manager including Ole would be under immense pressure. The difference with Ole is that, everyone (Club, Fans), are willing to give him time. There is only one reason for this, everybody knows that Ole will do what's right for the club. If he wanted to he could have complained about the lack of transfer money afforded to him this past window, but he's not a bitch like Mourinho, and is willing to bring the kids through and buy when he can. This isn't an ideal situation, we (you and me) would like to get better players in quicker, but it is what it is. Is this Ole's fault? No!

Third, this phased approach we have adopted has only just begun with phase one being the last window where we have bought 3 decent players. We do not generally buy in January, it would be a beneficial if we could get in at least one midfield player, however, phase two will be the summer. I hope we address the midfield then.

You can be sure that Ole is not happy with the performance of the team and the inconsistency. Let's be honest here, the man is a winner and persistent. His playing career has proven that. There is no way he is anywhere close to being happy with what is going on, but you can be sure that he will be trying his utmost to do whats right for the club. I would not be able to confidently say this with our previous 3 managers.

Take a pill mate, enjoy the festive season.
You're ridiculously deluded or just plain naive. Under this structure, the club basically needs to draw to a Royal Flush to be seriously competing for the league in the next 5 years and that's with an actual QUALIFIED top 10 manager in the world, not some Norwegian PE teacher who somehow finagled his way into this position because he was in a Ferguson team and therefore MUST have absorbed all this wisdom (unfortunately coaching excellence is a intuitive ability...reading people, motivating people, devising strategies, convincing people that your plan will work etc.) The OGS acolytes and the defenses they espouse are painful.

This is what is happening. The club is cutting costs as UCL money stops flowing and UCL dependent sponsor money is reduced. OGS is the perfect cover vessel to get out there and parrot this young British talent/United DNA-tradition narrative that all these sentimentalists eat up. Lukaku and Sanchez were offloaded to finance the Maguire signing. Of course, Woodward's an inept football CEO but this 'phased' plan which he's incessantly briefing the press on is total BS. It's true, he can hardly manage to make obvious signings, but they aren't interested in signing more than three players per window and definitely not three 70+ mil signings. At this point, OGS is Baghdad Bob...working within the football equivalent of the T**mp organization.
 

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Take a time out. You sound like you gonna pop a blood vessel.

Firstly, you need to get your hands dirty to gather experience. You also need time and money(if you don't have the tools) to start to implement a vision. Also a bit of luck would help. Only then you can sit back and judge. It's too early now.

Secondly, you sound a bit like a nosy neighbor, trying to find out what's cooking in their pot. When you speak of Klopp, you need to realise that there was little expectation from Liverpool (club, fans) when they hired him. Heck they've been in the abyss for better part of 3 decades. The least they would have expected from him would have been a team playing good football and competing.
You cannot compare this with UTD, our expectations are much higher due to the fact of our exceptional success over the past 30 years. So, any manager including Ole would be under immense pressure. The difference with Ole is that, everyone (Club, Fans), are willing to give him time. There is only one reason for this, everybody knows that Ole will do what's right for the club. If he wanted to he could have complained about the lack of transfer money afforded to him this past window, but he's not a bitch like Mourinho, and is willing to bring the kids through and buy when he can. This isn't an ideal situation, we (you and me) would like to get better players in quicker, but it is what it is. Is this Ole's fault? No!

Third, this phased approach we have adopted has only just begun with phase one being the last window where we have bought 3 decent players. We do not generally buy in January, it would be a beneficial if we could get in at least one midfield player, however, phase two will be the summer. I hope we address the midfield then.

You can be sure that Ole is not happy with the performance of the team and the inconsistency. Let's be honest here, the man is a winner and persistent. His playing career has proven that. There is no way he is anywhere close to being happy with what is going on, but you can be sure that he will be trying his utmost to do whats right for the club. I would not be able to confidently say this with our previous 3 managers.

Take a pill mate, enjoy the festive season.
I don't know what you mean by "gather experience" because Ole has been coaching for 10 years.
Take a time out. You sound like you gonna pop a blood vessel.

Firstly, you need to get your hands dirty to gather experience. You also need time and money(if you don't have the tools) to start to implement a vision. Also a bit of luck would help. Only then you can sit back and judge. It's too early now.

Secondly, you sound a bit like a nosy neighbor, trying to find out what's cooking in their pot. When you speak of Klopp, you need to realise that there was little expectation from Liverpool (club, fans) when they hired him. Heck they've been in the abyss for better part of 3 decades. The least they would have expected from him would have been a team playing good football and competing.
You cannot compare this with UTD, our expectations are much higher due to the fact of our exceptional success over the past 30 years. So, any manager including Ole would be under immense pressure. The difference with Ole is that, everyone (Club, Fans), are willing to give him time. There is only one reason for this, everybody knows that Ole will do what's right for the club. If he wanted to he could have complained about the lack of transfer money afforded to him this past window, but he's not a bitch like Mourinho, and is willing to bring the kids through and buy when he can. This isn't an ideal situation, we (you and me) would like to get better players in quicker, but it is what it is. Is this Ole's fault? No!

Third, this phased approach we have adopted has only just begun with phase one being the last window where we have bought 3 decent players. We do not generally buy in January, it would be a beneficial if we could get in at least one midfield player, however, phase two will be the summer. I hope we address the midfield then.

You can be sure that Ole is not happy with the performance of the team and the inconsistency. Let's be honest here, the man is a winner and persistent. His playing career has proven that. There is no way he is anywhere close to being happy with what is going on, but you can be sure that he will be trying his utmost to do whats right for the club. I would not be able to confidently say this with our previous 3 managers.

Take a pill mate, enjoy the festive season.
So far you just described all the phases of rebuild as one that consists of just buying players in the summer. The last paragraph should be erased. I can easily give out points about why your post is not in the least convincing. All I'll say is if you think that Ole deserves time them I feel sorry for you because he will be sacked eventually and deservedly so.
 

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You don't think Smalling would have made a difference partnering Maguire than that sack of shite Lindelof? Yea the same Lindelof who cannot head a ball to save his life. Heading a ball is a big part of English football even now.
The same Smalling we cafs said looked "clueless" and an "accident" waiting to happen? Swap smalling here and send lindeloff there and watch the fireworks. Defensive coaching and management is not to be underestimated my good sir.
 

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What?

He has the audacity to think they are Mickey Mouse trophies, when he has never won a single trophy in his entire managerial career? :houllier:
I was clearly talking about him as a player, but then again you are comparing managerial careers of individuals who have managed very different caliber of clubs. At this point, I don't really expect you to say anything nuanced.

Achievements are achievements. Trophies are trophies. Facts are facts. You can't just dismiss the trophies even if they are minor cups. How easy did you think it is to win the Europa League and the league cup with the squad that we had?? You should take a break from Football Manager and watch some real football.
In the real world context matters. Such as spending over £300m on squad, never coming close to challenging for a title, and obtaining embarrassing results in the CL. Yet I need to take a break from Football Manager? :lol:

Here's another thought experiment for you. Fans like you have already downplayed Jose's achievements at our club. Imagine if Ole won the league cup. Do you think fans like you will deem his appointment as a success and "on the right path"? You guys are so desperate for Ole, and only Ole, to succeed that it's getting ridiculous.

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I actually I'm not Ole in or out. I think if he was sacked tomorrow it would be understandable. Not everyone lives by the Cult of Mourinho code of conduct, where you slate Ole to mask Mourinho's failures as United manager. Mourinho's failings (of his own targets mind you) are well-documented facts. No amount of revisionist history will change that and it doesn't need to be rehashed so you ignore it only to spout the same context-lacking facts next week.
 

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I was clearly talking about him as a player, but then again you are comparing managerial careers of individuals who have managed very different caliber of clubs. At this point, I don't really expect you to say anything nuanced.


In the real world context matters. Such as spending over £300m on squad, never coming close to challenging for a title, and obtaining embarrassing results in the CL. Yet I need to take a break from Football Manager? :lol:


I actually I'm not Ole in or out. I think if he was sacked tomorrow it would be understandable. Not everyone lives by the Cult of Mourinho code of conduct, where you slate Ole to mask Mourinho's failures as United manager. Mourinho's failings (of his own targets mind you) are well-documented facts. No amount of revisionist history will change that and it doesn't need to be rehashed so you ignore it only to spout the same context-lacking facts next week.
And spending 150m on a squad wandering midtable and relegation zone is better? Give your head a wobble mate.
 

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I'm sorry, but wishing something to happen whilst having irrefutable evidence that it won't; - is just silly, and its going to have severe consequences if we don't act.
I don’t agree. The evidence regarding to football go both ways. Our young players can play, but we lack a lot to really compete.

The most important for me is not the results this season. It’s important that we shake up and start a total transformation. I think we are well on our way.

You see, I know a little about long tail strategy versus short tail strategy.
 

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I don’t agree. The evidence regarding to football go both ways. Our young players can play, but we lack a lot to really compete.

The most important for me is not the results this season. It’s important that we shake up and start a total transformation. I think we are well on our way.

You see, I know a little about long tail strategy versus short tail strategy.
On the way to what? Midtable mediocrity?

If you think Ole is anywhere close to being a man for a rebuild job then you know nothing about either strategy mate.
 

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And spending 150m on a squad wandering midtable and relegation zone is better? Give your head a wobble mate.
I actually I'm not Ole in or out. I think if he was sacked tomorrow it would be understandable. Not everyone lives by the Cult of Mourinho code of conduct, where you slate Ole to mask Mourinho's failures as United manager. Mourinho's failings (of his own targets mind you) are well-documented facts. No amount of revisionist history will change that and it doesn't need to be rehashed so you ignore it only to spout the same context-lacking facts next week.
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The Community Shield :lol:

"But he won 3 trophies"
"What were the trophies?"
"It doesn't matter. He won 3!"

I'll let Roy Keane take it from here:
His stats and other 2 trophies sat there and you're just clutching to a charity shield :lol:
 

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On the way to what? Midtable mediocrity?

If you think Ole is anywhere close to being a man for a rebuild job then you know nothing about either strategy mate.
I bet I know more than you, but that’s off topic.

I have stated that Ole might not be the man in the end, but this rebuild strategy is the right way.
 

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I bet I know more than you, but that’s off topic.

I have stated that Ole might not be the man in the end, but this rebuild strategy is the right way.
No one disagrees with the view that we need a rebuild. It's hard enough finding a top manager for continuity these days, but to find a great coach for an actual rebuild? That's a difficult job for many and requires certain skills that you need to filter the very top with.

And here we are, bringing Ole in because feck it. He used to play for us. Literally that's it. We could have really chosen any ex player who did his coaching badges really.
 

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No one disagrees with the view that we need a rebuild. It's hard enough finding a top manager for continuity these days, but to find a great coach for an actual rebuild? That's a difficult job for many and requires certain skills that you need to filter the very top with.

And here we are, bringing Ole in because feck it. He used to play for us. Literally that's it. We could have really chosen any ex player who did his coaching badges really.
It’s no problem to give him this season and evaluate. Poch is not a great option. Ten Hag would be though.
 

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I bet I know more than you, but that’s off topic.

I have stated that Ole might not be the man in the end, but this rebuild strategy is the right way.
Don't make blind bets mate, as seen in the OP, it doesn't always work in your favor ;)
 

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Take a time out. You sound like you gonna pop a blood vessel.

Firstly, you need to get your hands dirty to gather experience. You also need time and money(if you don't have the tools) to start to implement a vision. Also a bit of luck would help. Only then you can sit back and judge. It's too early now.

Secondly, you sound a bit like a nosy neighbor, trying to find out what's cooking in their pot. When you speak of Klopp, you need to realise that there was little expectation from Liverpool (club, fans) when they hired him. Heck they've been in the abyss for better part of 3 decades. The least they would have expected from him would have been a team playing good football and competing.
You cannot compare this with UTD, our expectations are much higher due to the fact of our exceptional success over the past 30 years. So, any manager including Ole would be under immense pressure. The difference with Ole is that, everyone (Club, Fans), are willing to give him time. There is only one reason for this, everybody knows that Ole will do what's right for the club.

Third, this phased approach we have adopted has only just begun with phase one being the last window where we have bought 3 decent players. We do not generally buy in January, it would be a beneficial if we could get in at least one midfield player, however, phase two will be the summer. I hope we address the midfield then.

You can be sure that Ole is not happy with the performance of the team and the inconsistency. Let's be honest here, the man is a winner and persistent. His playing career has proven that. There is no way he is anywhere close to being happy with what is going on, but you can be sure that he will be trying his utmost to do whats right for the club. I would not be able to confidently say this with our previous 3 managers.

Take a pill mate, enjoy the festive season.
Just highlighted some of your thoughts, as they reflect what my wider concerns are.. Ole may want to do right, if I was sitting in that seat, I would want the same. But it does not necessarily mean that that I would know how to do the right thing. I don't think Ole knows, and the performances of players would support that assertion. We are fantastically average. Under the management of OGS....think about that.

V briefly on the other two points... Ole is a winner...in football management? In the Premiership? Championship? You should clarify that, because his achievements T Molde don't quite cut it with me... Also, this stuff about 'we don't buy in January..'... Er, says who exactly? Is that policy?

We need some new energy in that team so I do hope we bleedin' well buy in January...
 

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It’s no problem to give him this season and evaluate. Poch is not a great option. Ten Hag would be though.
Of course its a problem. Sticking with him risks us falling even further and making key talents think twice before coming to us. Play for Ole? Why? Play with no European cups to fight for? Why?

Our club should not be run like some sort of work internship where we see how it goes at a time where vital decisions are needed by experienced personelle.

I disagree on Poch but that's for another discussion, we can just agree to disagree on the next managerial appointment.
 

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I don’t agree. The evidence regarding to football go both ways. Our young players can play, but we lack a lot to really compete.

The most important for me is not the results this season. It’s important that we shake up and start a total transformation. I think we are well on our way.

You see, I know a little about long tail strategy versus short tail strategy.
We don't lack to compete for top 4 according to Ole as he was happy with the squad according to him. We didn't last season and Jose was sacked because of exactly that and we don't lack the players this season, either. Top 4 is the prerequisite for a team like Manchester United. Or if you're being extremely generous and take extenuating circumstances into the matter, at the end would should still have had a decent attempt of getting at least 70 points which would see you a bit short of top 4. Were on course for about 45-50 if not less. Mourinho won the Europa League and got us into the CL so there were few questions asked when he finished 6th. He also won the league cup. Make no mistake, if he finished 6th that season with nothing to show for it, people would have been calling for his head. Okay, I can imagine if we narrowly missed out this season, but we won't be anywhere near top for with Ole in charge. You do realise that he has us in the relegation form since he took over? We're more likely to be in the relegation fight than in a top 4 fight and that's a fact.

You let Herrera, Fellaini, Lukaku go without replacing them, you either believe in this squad to get us to challenge for top 4 or you're an incompetent fool. So which one is it? Oh yeah, so what is it that you see, anyway? We look devoid of any style of play, lack any ideas, our defence looks shit, despite spending 150 million on it in the past 2 years. Our decene actually looks to have regressed when seeing as we can't keep a clean sheet to save our lives. The midfield needed fixing -- that was always the case, even before Herrera and Fellaini left, so I'm not sure how it wasn't an absolute priority?

We went for AWB and Maguire despite having Young, Valencia, Darmian, Shaw, Dalot. Heck even Lindelof, Smalling, Bailly and Jones played at right back when needed. Yeah, we've also had tonne of centre backs options. Now, if we really needed a centre back could we not maybe have scouted a bit and spent within our means? Or looked how well Tuanzebe did last season?

You say it's not about results this season... so what's it about then? There are no results or performances. We were given a run for our money against two newly promoted teams -- one of whom has a shocking away record. I watched pretty much every game this season, and we looked nothing short of shit. I could understand your point if we were some cohesive unit, who were getting undone by terrible decisions or even luck. No, were just shit. Quite frankly speaking, I've no clue what you're trying to say by that...

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but Ole is the most clueless manager Manchester United have had in modern history. Worse than Moyes and that takes some beating. Great player, lovely bloke but totally inept and out of his depth at this level. Should be nowhere near man utd management as shown by irrefutable evidence, namely, his results and our performances since PSG and terrible job he did at Cardiff in the Premiership from which he got them relegated and then the Championship where they were one of the worst teams whilst under Ole's stewardship. Both of his tenures show complete lack of ability to turn things round or do anything remotely to arrest the current situation that were in.

I'm sorry but anyone that thinks that Ole's got this, at this point, has got to be living in bizarro land.

Ahh I'm away to bed.
 
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His stats and other 2 trophies sat there and you're just clutching to a charity shield :lol:
I blame my Economics professors for teaching me such useless concepts as statistical significance and unexplained variables. If only I could take those stats at face value, ignoring the mountains of evidence of his failures. Woe is me.
 

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And spending 150m on a squad wandering midtable and relegation zone is better? Give your head a wobble mate.
Never said it was better Strawman_87. But I do know that Jose was a poor manager for United. Another decade of Ole won't change that.
 

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Mourinho was the best manager we had after Fergie(I know it doesn't say much). There is no need to rewrite history here. Yes, he spent a lot, that doesn't mean that we should've pipped City to the title considering the squad they had and how much they also spent.

After that was LvG, who also won a cup and CL qualification.

Mind, all have underperformed and all deserved to be sacked, but that doesn't mean we should compare a 2nd place finish and 2 cups with wandering midtable - it's incomparable.
 

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Mourinho was the best manager we had after Fergie(I know it doesn't say much). There is no need to rewrite history here. Yes, he spent a lot, that doesn't mean that we should've pipped City to the title considering the squad they had and how much they also spent.

After that was LvG, who also won a cup and CL qualification.

Mind, all have underperformed and all deserved to be sacked, but that doesn't mean we should compare a 2nd place finish and 2 cups with wandering midtable - it's incomparable.
Am I missing something here? Who has even said Ole is better than Jose?