Iliman Ndiaye

Meh.

Excluding penalties: 7 goals, 0 assists last season. 4 goals, 3 assists so far this season.

He's a nice player but, even playing for Everton, you'd want to see more productivity from a prospective United signing. Especially when at 26 years old there isn't some massive untapped potential there. What you buy is what you get.
 
sullydnl said:
Meh.

Excluding penalties: 7 goals, 0 assists last season. 4 goals, 3 assists so far this season.

He's a nice player but, even playing for Everton, you'd want to see more productivity from a prospective United signing. Especially when at 26 years old there isn't some massive untapped potential there. What you buy is what you get.
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I haven't watched enough to say either way, but I'd guess those assist figures are heavily affected by those useless strikers of theirs?

I've usually been impressed by him when I have caught full games. Expect he'll be too expensive anyway, with the midfield rebuild to prioritise.
 
OleGunnar20 said:
I haven't watched enough to say either way, but I'd guess those assist figures are heavily affected by those useless strikers of theirs?

I've usually been impressed by him when I have caught full games. Expect he'll be too expensive anyway, with the midfield rebuild to prioritise.
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Even if we accept Everton's strikers are uniquely terrible, the likes of Dewbury-Hall, Grealish and Garner have all assisted as much or more than him in the same team this season.

And last season all of McNeil, Gueye, Young, Alcaraz, Mykolenko, Doucoure, Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Calvert-Lewin, Garner, Lindstrom, Iroegbunam, Patterson and even Pickford managed at least one league assist.

For a player already in his mid-20s, it doesn't exactly scream PL/CL-challenging calibre attacker.
 
He is a quality player, but not enough end product. We already have Amad for that.
 
sullydnl said:
Even if we accept Everton's strikers are uniquely terrible, the likes of Dewbury-Hall, Grealish and Garner have all assisted as much or more than him in the same team this season.

And last season all of McNeil, Gueye, Young, Alcaraz, Mykolenko, Doucoure, Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Calvert-Lewin, Garner, Lindstrom, Iroegbunam, Patterson and even Pickford managed at least one league assist.

For a player already in his mid-20s, it doesn't exactly scream PL/CL-challenging calibre attacker.
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Yep, that's fair enough. I'm sure there are better options out there.
 
sullydnl said:
Meh.

Excluding penalties: 7 goals, 0 assists last season. 4 goals, 3 assists so far this season.

He's a nice player but, even playing for Everton, you'd want to see more productivity from a prospective United signing. Especially when at 26 years old there isn't some massive untapped potential there. What you buy is what you get.
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Cunha has 7 goals this season. Even if he gets a couple more before the end of the season that's not a massive difference from what Ndiaye got last year (this year he missed games due to Afcon so using last year as a direct comparison). And Cunha is playing in a much better side than Everton last season. If Ndiaye were playing in a better side, I'd expect him to be of the level that Cunha and Mbeumo have been this year.

Now is that enough to win the league? I think not. But if we are targeting the likes of Ndiaye then I would assume we are targeting to consolidate our CL spot next season rather than winning the league.
 
Best dribbler in PL and sort of player you want to break down low blocks.

 
I really like him as a player. I know people will point to his stats - that’s just the game these days - but he offers far more than numbers alone.

He’s the kind of player you can rely on to give you a consistent 7 or 8 out of 10 every week. In contrast, players like Sesko, Cunha and Mbeumo might have quieter games but still pop up with a decisive goal.

What we’re missing is a left-sided winger who can actually connect the attack - someone who can knit everything together in the way Amad does on the right. Again, someone who hasn't got great G+A numbers, but he takes care of the ball, makes things happen in the final third, and rarely gives it away cheaply.

Ndiaye is a proper technician, and having that kind of profile is crucial for balance in the attack, especially against teams that sit in a low block.
 
I’d rather get him as he will be significantly cheaper than the extortionate rate Leipzig will charge for Diomande with no guarantee how his transition to the PL will be.
 
Assuming the source isn’t full of shit, on several different levels would be a poor signing
 
King7Eric said:
Cunha has 7 goals this season. Even if he gets a couple more before the end of the season that's not a massive difference from what Ndiaye got last year (this year he missed games due to Afcon so using last year as a direct comparison). And Cunha is playing in a much better side than Everton last season. If Ndiaye were playing in a better side, I'd expect him to be of the level that Cunha and Mbeumo have been this year.

Now is that enough to win the league? I think not. But if we are targeting the likes of Ndiaye then I would assume we are targeting to consolidate our CL spot next season rather than winning the league.
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"He'll produce a lot more for us" is an argument regularly made for players playing in weaker sides in the same league, but how many attackers actually do it when they make the step up to a bigger club?

Mbeumo and Cunha have both (to varying degrees) produced goals/assists at a worse rate this season than they managed in their recent seasons with their previous clubs, even excluding penalties. Ditto the likes of Pedro Neto, Grealish, Lukaku and Richarlison. And the likes of Mane and Mahrez had had already been producing to a high level the season before they made their big move.

The only example I can think of is Diogo Jota, and in his case Liverpool identified that he had massively underperformed his underlying numbers the previous season, which Ndiaye hasn't.
 
His stats don’t scream amazing, but he has the exact quality that Cunha brings. And I expect productivity to follow. Everton don’t have anyone particularly prolific, and are also a team which spends more time without the ball. For me, he has produced enough on his own to give me confidence that he can flourish in a better side.
 
If theres a chance of Everton letting him go for 60-70m we should take it.
I read an article which states Leipzig want to retain Diomande for another year with renewed terms; similiar to what they didnt with Sesko. So maybe if we are on good terms we can return for him next year.

We need to keep raising the bar to solidify us in the top 4 and competing for the league.
 
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Hes a decent player but all fees mentioned in this thread need to be halved. Hes worth more than the under £16 million he cost from Marseille but he isnt worth double it +more
 
Ekeke said:
Hes a decent player but all fees mentioned in this thread need to be halved. Hes worth more than the under £16 million he cost from Marseille but he isnt worth double it +more
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No way Everton are going to sell him for under 50 million id confidently say. He's got years on a contract and he's the form winger in the league. It's a great pickup by Everton for 16 million! If he can maintain or improve on what he's showing there he will be a shrewd signing. It's good practice to keep targeting the stand out players in the league every summer. We will eventually strike gold again with that approach.
 
He doesnt improve the team much and isn't a big upgrade on Cunha. Rather look for better players or invest in a striker and LB with Dorgu playing LW.
 
sullydnl said:
Meh.

Excluding penalties: 7 goals, 0 assists last season. 4 goals, 3 assists so far this season.

He's a nice player but, even playing for Everton, you'd want to see more productivity from a prospective United signing. Especially when at 26 years old there isn't some massive untapped potential there. What you buy is what you get.
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If you watch clips of our goals this season you'll see that he's heavily involved or crucial to a fair few more that he doesn't get the final goal or assist to. Sometimes doing arguably better work than the assister does. There are also others where he should have got an assist but the striker misses an easy chance and someone else gets a tap in. It's not always as simple as the raw stats, though I do agree it's an area he would be expected to improve in at a bigger club.

Aside from that he's clearly one of, if not the best dribblers in the league and one of the best forwards in terms of his defensive and pressing work. His dribbling and ability to keep and shield the ball is really valuable in maintaining possession or getting the team out of sticky situations as well.

I understand that people may be out off by output but some posters like Ekeke suggesting he's only worth 30m in this market are just being silly buggers.
 
SilentWitness said:
If you watch clips of our goals this season you'll see that he's heavily involved or crucial to a fair few more that he doesn't get the final goal or assist to. Sometimes doing arguably better work than the assister does. There are also others where he should have got an assist but the striker misses an easy chance and someone else gets a tap in. It's not always as simple as the raw stats, though I do agree it's an area he would be expected to improve in at a bigger club.

Aside from that he's clearly one of, if not the best dribblers in the league and one of the best forwards in terms of his defensive and pressing work. His dribbling and ability to keep and shield the ball is really valuable in maintaining possession or getting the team out of sticky situations as well.

I understand that people may be out off by output but some posters like Ekeke suggesting he's only worth 30m in this market are just being silly buggers.
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Yup. Ndiaye would be a top signing if gettable for a reasonable price. Looks like a good bloke too.
 
Ekeke said:
Hes a decent player but all fees mentioned in this thread need to be halved. Hes worth more than the under £16 million he cost from Marseille but he isnt worth double it +more
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He really is.
 
Swedish_Plumber said:
He’s 26 (basically 40) AND Senegalese (AFCON). Do not want.
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The next AFCON is in the summer (2027). Not sure when the 2028 edition will be but after that it's going to be every 4 years so 2032. AFCON won't be as much of an issue for clubs moving forward.
 
SilentWitness said:
The next AFCON is in the summer (2027). Not sure when the 2028 edition will be but after that it's going to be every 4 years so 2032. AFCON won't be as much of an issue for clubs moving forward.
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I'll believe it when it happens. They said that before, but the AFCON is desperately poor so they reverted back to EoY.
 
SilentWitness said:
If you watch clips of our goals this season you'll see that he's heavily involved or crucial to a fair few more that he doesn't get the final goal or assist to. Sometimes doing arguably better work than the assister does. There are also others where he should have got an assist but the striker misses an easy chance and someone else gets a tap in. It's not always as simple as the raw stats, though I do agree it's an area he would be expected to improve in at a bigger club.

Aside from that he's clearly one of, if not the best dribblers in the league and one of the best forwards in terms of his defensive and pressing work. His dribbling and ability to keep and shield the ball is really valuable in maintaining possession or getting the team out of sticky situations as well.

I understand that people may be out off by output but some posters like Ekeke suggesting he's only worth 30m in this market are just being silly buggers.
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What would you say his fee would be ? £60mil

I can't see Everton selling. However I do think he would kick on and improve if he was at a CL club.
 
dinostar77 said:
What would you say his fee would be ? £60mil

I can't see Everton selling. However I do think he would kick on and improve if he was at a CL club.
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In this market I would think we would try and get a fee of around that for him.

We rejected a bid of £40m for him from Inter last summer.
 
Makes a lot of sense to me. We need more players that are comfortable in tight spaces, with good close control, good creative dribbling, some composure. Only really Amad fits that description currently for us. It makes us vulnerable in possession, which in turn gives us shorter time with the ball in attack. We are a bit to reliant on quick attacks and moments of magic from Bruno and Cunha
 
He’s a very good player for Everton but I don’t think he’d be the same at a bigger club. Players like him, Grealish, Eze are all best when they’re big fish in smaller ponds.
 
Depends how much they would want for him 45-60 million range I’d buy him, his stats may not be high, but his impact on the ball is fantastic.
 
He’s a good player but I don’t see what he does is that much different to the current squad profile we have other than as a rotational option.

With Diomande there is the potential/risk factor that he’ll be a superstar (or another Sancho).

You kind of know what you’re getting with Ndiaye. And I don’t really see his game evolving to a higher level than what it is even if he gets a move higher up the table.

Guess he’s fine if there isn’t really any other comprehensively good players to target. I think I’d much prefer a more out and out direct wide attacker though. A Rashford style profile is missing in the squad.
 
sullydnl said:
Even if we accept Everton's strikers are uniquely terrible, the likes of Dewbury-Hall, Grealish and Garner have all assisted as much or more than him in the same team this season.

And last season all of McNeil, Gueye, Young, Alcaraz, Mykolenko, Doucoure, Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Calvert-Lewin, Garner, Lindstrom, Iroegbunam, Patterson and even Pickford managed at least one league assist.

For a player already in his mid-20s, it doesn't exactly scream PL/CL-challenging calibre attacker.
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His underlying stats is not very different from Semenyo at Bmth. Big difference is that Semenyo had that haul where he greatly outperformed his xg-numbers.
 
Irrational. said:
I’d rather get him as he will be significantly cheaper than the extortionate rate Leipzig will charge for Diomande with no guarantee how his transition to the PL will be.
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Why do you think he would be significantly cheaper?
 
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SilentWitness said:
The next AFCON is in the summer (2027). Not sure when the 2028 edition will be but after that it's going to be every 4 years so 2032. AFCON won't be as much of an issue for clubs moving forward.
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I was only kidding anyways. I’d like him here but similar to Tonali it’s likely Everton would want a substantial fee
 
Rather we spend money on midfield.
 
DWelbz19 said:
He’s a good player but I don’t see what he does is that much different to the current squad profile we have other than as a rotational option.

With Diomande there is the potential/risk factor that he’ll be a superstar (or another Sancho).

You kind of know what you’re getting with Ndiaye. And I don’t really see his game evolving to a higher level than what it is even if he gets a move higher up the table.

Guess he’s fine if there isn’t really any other comprehensively good players to target. I think I’d much prefer a more out and out direct wide attacker though. A Rashford style profile is missing in the squad.
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He can beat a man from standing start. Work in very tight spaces. Fast feet (which Fergie loved in players). He doesn't need space to run into like alot of modern wingers. We have no one like him in our team. We struggle against low blocks and he's the sort of rare profile that can break them down.

He has that ability that you see in more off the cuff players. It's what makes him so intriguing. So much ability and tricks. I can see why Utd are interested.
 
dinostar77 said:
He can beat a man from standing start. Work in very tight spaces. Fast feet (which Fergie loved in players). He doesn't need space to run into like alot of modern wingers. We have no one like him in our team. We struggle against low blocks and he's the sort of rare profile that can break them down.

He has that ability that you see in more off the cuff players. It's what makes him so intriguing. So much ability and tricks. I can see why Utd are interested.
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Cuff players? What is that?
 
That goal he scored against Chelsea was mint. Good at beating his man. His return though, as others have pointed out, isn't all that.

HIs name is a proper tongue bender.
 
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