https://www.transfermarkt.com/anthony-gordon/leistungsdaten/spieler/503733/plus/0?saison=2023
I got it from here. They're usually good with their data so not sure why they're so off it with this!
Iliman Ndiaye
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https://www.transfermarkt.com/anthony-gordon/leistungsdaten/spieler/503733/plus/0?saison=2023
I got it from here. They're usually good with their data so not sure why they're so off it with this!
Definitely. It definitely gives me a bit more comfort if we were to go for Ndiaye. I personally want someone with a bit more raw pace.
No worries, it doesn't negate your point anyway. His output exploded.
But that has no influence on Ndiaye does it?
You don't sign an Everton player and bank on him improving because a few years ago another Everton player left and temporarily improved for a season(before dropping back to normal again).
That's building your house on sand.
We did this with Antony. The signs were clearly there he wasn't all that creative but we just hoped that would improve.
For United just skip that completely and get someone producing solid assist stats already.
What I would say is that a left sided attacker whose creative doesn't really exist in the Prem. Not one we can get anyway.
But right now I'd bank on Dorgu and Cunha playing left wing all season and getting more assists.
Dorgu has the same amount this year playing less games as a wingback. With our CF scoring the same number of goals as your CF.
It indicates that players can get better output in better systems and with better players while also using the eye test from what they're producing at their actual club. There is evidence of Ndiaye doing well at Everton and like I said, the ability to create and put in crosses and passes which should really be converted. He's doing that while in a system which doesn't really get the best out of forwards and with Myko/JOB behind him who are really below average in an attacking sense.
I'm not surprised that your players have better output than us. You overall have a better team and more players capable of high attacking output (Cunha, Mbeumo, Bruno, Sesko Amad). Our forward line beyond Ndiaye has Beto, Dibling, McNeil, Barry and Grealish (who is of comparable to quality to those you mentioned and was showing it). Unsurprisingly McNeil has dipped in assists because Garner takes set pieces most of the time now and that's where quite a few of his assists came from.
Another example is Saka and Arsenal. In the earlier Arteta years and at their peak they were playing really good attacking football which he was a part of and he was getting a great number of assists each season, flowing well with Havertz, Odegaard etc. They've changed a lot this season to this turgid style with a big lump up front in Gyokores and his assist output has halved.
Systems and complimenting players matters.
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The lack of assists is a very valid concern, however playing with better players will definitely help him up that tally. Depends really how much is left after midfield and CB or LB has been signed
Olise for palace in PL. 88 games played. 14 goals. 22 assists.
Ndiaye for Everton in PL 61 games played. 15 goals. 3 assists.
Olise goes to Bayern. Playstation with better players. 62 games. 24 goals. 38 assists.
Playing with better players can make a dramatic change to your output.
This is such a poor comparison I’m convinced you’re trolling.
1. From your numbers, Olise had a significantly better G/A per game. 0.41 vs 0.29
2. Olise is 2 years younger than Ndiaye.
Doesn’t negate your underlying point but this comparison is poor evidence of that. Ndiaye certainly doesn’t have Olise potential.
Yeah, Olise had double the output although playing 27 more games but was younger. Olise always looked quality imo, not convinced by Ndiaye.
At 26 years old you should be entering your prime years. Doesn't fill me with confidence if that's his numbers.
At 26 years old you should be entering your prime years. Doesn't fill me with confidence if that's his numbers.
Never said that he did. Just saying as @SilentWitness did that playing with better players can improve your output.
This video explains why he's go good and so underrated. But people just want to boil to down to goals scored and assists.
Presumably you want a new striker?
Would you rather target a guy who's already scoring goals or one that isn't scoring but possibly could if he moved to you?
When you're a wide forward it's very much about goals and assists. It's pretty black and white and doesn't need overthinking.
You're not going to win stuff if your wide attackers aren't providing at least one of them to a high level.
Otherwise you may as well stick a fullback there for their better defensive work.
As always, it's all about context. If there is Striker A that scores 5 goals but is quicker, getting into better positions, works better for a team and has great all round qualities then I'd take them over Striker B that scores 15 goals but they're all easy tap-ins (aka right place right time that most, if not all strikers would score) and has poorer overall qualities than A.
Players tend to be final third G/A players, or they kind of just don’t. Ndiaye at the age of 26 is quite unlikely to burst into life and bag a hatful even if he moved higher up the league table.
He is very Amad-coded. His contributions and strengths seem to be the stuff he doesn’t that isn’t scoring or assisting. But I just don’t think that stuff alone is enough to justify the squeeze for signing him for a large fee.
He is very Amad-coded. His contributions and strengths seem to be the stuff he doesn’t that isn’t scoring or assisting. But I just don’t think that stuff alone is enough to justify the squeeze for signing him for a large fee.
That's a bit of a dodge. Two CF's then in the same approx bracket of quality. One scoring, one not. Which one do you want to target?
As it's not like United are going to favour some clogger over Ndiaye because he's got a few more assists.
See to me I'd look around Europe for which wide forward is racking up the assists. Takes one minute.
Someone like Touré at Hoffenheim. 11 assists, 20 years old, rapid, looks technically good. Will likely cost less than Ndiaye.
Why would anyone go for Ndiaye and his 3 assists in two seasons over that lad?
The only reason would be fanciful hope that Ndiaye suddenly at 26 to 27 years of age develops a cutting edge.
He's excellent at getting away from players, working the ball in small spaces. Maybe the best in the league at it and it's a big attribute.
But at United you need output to survive.
Or at least you should if we're being run right.
As I said, context is key. You assess how that player will fit in your side and with your system and players, their overall game (not just one aspect and stat), if they can achieve better in your side than they may be at their current one, if their current side has inflated those stats perhaps etc.
It's not as simple as more goals and assists, better player or their output isn't the best so they definitely won't improve it ever.
As I said, there are plenty of examples of players that have a poor output and then increase it at a different club with different systems/players. Equally there will be plenty of examples when players drop or don't improve.
I'm just giving the reasons as a fan of the club Ndiaye plays for, and from watching him every week, why I believe he can improve that output at a different club. It's up to others if they want to disagree or not believe so and that's fine too.
Uhhh no thanks. If we want a player who looks good with the ball at his feet but with little end product, we already have Amad for it.
Cunha and Mbeumo reached higher peaks than Ndiaye has so far and both of them don't look like repeating those numbers again this season. I'd be a little wary of Ndiaye suddenly improving his numbers after joining us.
Cunha and Mbeumo reached higher peaks than Ndiaye has so far and both of them don't look like repeating those numbers again this season. I'd be a little wary of Ndiaye suddenly improving his numbers after joining us.
Worth a punt imo
Also going to a much weaker league.
Ripping up Real Madrid?
There are so many deep stats you can look at to drive your agenda and you're arguing goals and assists like it's 2004!
Also at some point, ball knowledge needs to line up with stats. For me he isn't in that elite WC bracket as an Olise or Dembele or the rest of the PSG / Bayern guys but he's a very good footballer and easily EL / CL level player.
Also at some point, ball knowledge needs to line up with stats. For me he isn't in that elite WC bracket as an Olise or Dembele or the rest of the PSG / Bayern guys but he's a very good footballer and easily EL / CL level player.
Makes you wonder why top teams bother with these old fashioned, high G/A getting, forward players.
I'm not questioning how good he is, just his increase in output record going to Bayern Munich. It's not just that they are stronger, but also generally playing weaker opponents.
It can also go the other way though. EG Cunha and Mbeumo bother have fewer G/A this season than last season despite playing with better players in a better team.
I think the trouble is many see him as nothing more than alternative to Diomande who we can't afford
If we go by stats wise, i think Diomande is a no go too becaue he got like 1 goal, 2 assists playing LW. Also, what are we going to do with him with his ambiguity positions and stats?
Well Rogers will be off table now Villa are gonna get Champions League so won't need to sell him
Me too, I no longer trust wingers whose stats are skewed more towards goals than assists. I think assists and creativity are replicable in different systems whereas goals could be a product of a niche system or a player hitting a purple patch. Cunha, Mbeumo, Rashford and Garnacho for varying reasons haven't replicated their peaks or, in Garnacho's case, reached their potential.
Of course, I acknowledge that. Elanga is another example of a player that has gone from 5G 9A and 6G 11A in the league for Forest to 0G 1A at Newcastle. Systems and the players you're linking with are really important.
I really think that Ndiaye is not in a system that gets the best out of him or has the players around him to get the best out of him in terms of output i.e he has to link up with JOB/Mykolenko as fullbacks which any Everton fan will tell you are rubbish going forward and Beto/Barry who have both had purple patches this season but are generally not good enough to be starting strikers in this league...but I'm just repeating myself now so I'll leave it there.
He only got 2 assists for Marseilles the year before Everton signed him. They played in Europa League as well. 0 assists in 14 appearances in that.
That makes it 5 assists in nearly 3 seasons of football.
If you're looking to sign creativity you can't say you weren't warned if you go for Ndiaye and it doesn't work out.
That makes it 5 assists in nearly 3 seasons of football.
If you're looking to sign creativity you can't say you weren't warned if you go for Ndiaye and it doesn't work out.
Do not want. very limited end product.
Chances created and expected assists are a far better number to judge a winger's creativie output than mere assists.
Well according to this website https://footystats.org/players/france/iliman-ndiaye figures are below: (total for the season):
- Everton 2025/26: 4.15 xA;
- Everton 2024/25: 1.60 xA;
- Marseille 2023/24: 3:63 xA;
- (Championship) Sheffield Utd 2022/23: 9.81 xA.
It's easy to look at his age and think he should be in his prime now but his background makes him quite a unique player. He wasn't involved in any academy until he joined Boreham Wood at 16, spent 3 years there without playing a professional game and he was 21 before he made a senior appearance at Sheffield United in 2021. So he's only had 5 years experience, Semenyo for example is the same age but would probably be another 2 or 3 years ahead in his development. He only really took that step up last season so I wouldn't rule out Ndiaye being capable of adding more end product.
Yeah that's a very valid point
Crap finish.
As I've said before, lacks the cutting edge and end product really.
As I've said before, lacks the cutting edge and end product really.
We already have Amad as I said
Another pass to the keeper from him in a great position...
Great dribbling and ball control but his end product would be fury inducing. Just not at the level a top team needs
Players like him and Rashford are kind of the quintessential examples of the polar opposites of wide attackers. Ndiaye, the super press resistant, easy on the eye winger vs Rashford who gets derided for in his game play (at times for good reason!) but only one of them will routinely end seasons with 20+ G/A. You kind of just can’t teach that stuff.
I think he is an exciting player to watch, but there are far too many flaws to his game and he shouldn't be on any shortlist as he will never get the sort of output we'd need.