Improved set pieces?

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After today's game we're level with Arsenal for the most set-piece goals in the league.

Is this just a bit of randomness, or do you think our set-pieces generally look better now under Amorim?
 
Bit of randomness I think. Casemiro is a ball magnet so we’ll always have some sort of threat there
 
Set pieces goals are never random. Great we have improved so much in this. I don't think we're at Arsenal's set piece level but we're definitely one of the strongest teams at attacking set pieces.
 
Its so weird because it feels like we went about 10 seasons without scoring from set pieces and now we are behind Arsenal who only score from set pieces.
 
We've become genuinely good at attacking from set pieces. I don't think it's random, we have drilled in patterns on most of them and generally seem to favor targeting far post runs, although today I think today's set piece goals were more down to moments of individual brilliance.

If we can become as effective attacking in open play then we'd really be a threatening side.
 
When we have Casemiro, De Ligt, Maguire, and Sesko all on, I think we'll genuinely be difficult to deal with for most teams. There's definitely some improvement in this area compared to what it was thanks to the personnel and also the training drills. There are a couple of others in there who are good at making a nuisance of themselves as well.
 
I think its personnel more than anything. Mount and Mbuemo have given a bit of extra variety and quality with delivery's and there's better height in the team than recent years - though set pieces have been a pretty big slice of our goals for a while it seems to me.
Things like Mazraoui and Martinez just not being available. Sesko and Zirkzee being more of an asset than Hojlund and even a bit of good coaching probably have played their part too.
We'll miss Casemiro.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Bit of randomness I think. Casemiro is a ball magnet so we’ll always have some sort of threat there
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The manager stressed so much last season on how we need to improve and that he believed we will improve and all of a sudden we have improved and you attribute it to randomness? I think that's unfair. I am Amorim out, but credit where it's due.
 
I think it’s one of the few tactical improvements that are obvious. Seems a bit disingenuous to not want to put any praise on the coaching for it.
 
Credit to Amorim here! Sometimes set pieces are flukey and just a luck thing in a season but it's hard to say that unless it's an exception season among usual bad seasons. For now it just seems like he's put a lot of work into them and it's paying off. Pretty much the difference between this season and last season so far. We've gotten multiple results purely on the back of improved set piece play so long may that continue.
 
Much credit to the coaching staff, it's a huge weapon.
 
THere's nothing random when you see those Dalot's Delapesque throws-in this season.
 
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Definitely improved - I remember Amorim saying after the game against Arsenal that there was no need to complain about their goal, instead, we needed to learn from things like that in order to implement them ourselves.
 
Amorim and Lego Pep, set piece specialists.

Tiebreaker goes to Arteta, since he has better hair.
 
The one area our coaching team can actually be proud of making improvements too.
And it’s been vital because of our struggles from open play.

Don’t think we concede too many from set pieces anymore either.
 
Lego Jose is going to be better than Lego Pep.

He is the special.
 
Isotope said:
THere's nothing random when you see those Dalot's Delapesque throws-in this season.
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Quite literally the only thing he’s done well this season. A lot of clubs are using long throws and a lot are generally shocking at getting then anywhere dangerous. Dalot does get it in the mixer with some pace.
 
macheda14 said:
Quite literally the only thing he’s done well this season. A lot of clubs are using long throws and a lot are generally shocking at getting then anywhere dangerous. Dalot does get it in the mixer with some pace.
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Dorgu's are very funny
 
macheda14 said:
Quite literally the only thing he’s done well this season. A lot of clubs are using long throws and a lot are generally shocking at getting then anywhere dangerous. Dalot does get it in the mixer with some pace.
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It's criminal that we only realized that (mostly) this season, when Dalot has been our mainstay for years here. Makes you wondering why those previous managers weren't even looking into using this.

Now I'm wondering if Maz could be tried as a DM. He has the skill, intensity, and physicality, but probably still need to learn the positioning.
 
Feels good to have this in our locker.

Plus, Air Sesko hasn’t even scored from 1 yet.
 
Feel like our seat piece goals are a lot different to like Arsenals… most of ours are from like a free kick routine. I can’t actually remember many from an actual corner. Did the Amad one count against forest when it got cleared and he volleyed it? The most reason corner one was De Ligt against spurs
 
I think it's because we are out of Europe and have more time to train our set-pieces. It is a good sign that Amorim exploiting this to our advantage. Credit where credit is due. Especially since this approach reaps rewards as Arsenal have shown.
 
Obviously there's been improvement. We went from this really long streak of not scoring a goal from corners in the league to now co-leading set-piece goals.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Obviously there's been improvement. We went from this really long streak of not scoring a goal from corners in the league to now co-leading set-piece goals.
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That was laughable - our corners were a non factor.

The club should task Casemiro and Maguire (to a slightly lesser extent) to coach Sesko on judging the flight of a ball - if he can glean any knowledge off them, with his 6.5 frame, he'd be a monster.

Casemiro, in particular, is the best I think I've ever seen at judging the flight of a ball, given his size.
How on earth does he get his head on so many corners and free kicks?
 
Our delivery used to be atrocious, now it's quite good. We've always had players that are decent in the box from a set piece, the ball just used to basically never make it to them.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Obviously there's been improvement. We went from this really long streak of not scoring a goal from corners in the league to now co-leading set-piece goals.
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Refreshing! We were crap at them for years despite having Casemiro and Maguire. Mbeumos delivery helps.
 
Glorio said:
That was laughable - our corners were a non factor.

The club should task Casemiro and Maguire (to a slightly lesser extent) to coach Sesko on judging the flight of a ball - if he can glean any knowledge off them, with his 6.5 frame, he'd be a monster.

Casemiro, in particular, is the best I think I've ever seen at judging the flight of a ball, given his size.
How on earth does he get his head on so many corners and free kicks?
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He's 6'1, which is not small at all but yes, he is incredible in the air. I think he reads the ball well, knows how to time his runs, has a good leap and technique when he actually gets his head to the ball. Such a shame we only got Varane, another aerial monster and Casemiro at the tail end of their careers.
 
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