You are asking for too much.Clear style of play is not enough. You need to adjust your play to cope with tactics which will inevitably be used to defeat it. Fluency in tactics too. Also: if you don't have a DoF system in place, the new manager must have a vision for building the squad. Not forgetting - good man-management skills - required by all managers at all levels.
Mourinho at ManUtd didn't have clear style of play, whatever the complaints we see now (lack of attacking patterns, players looking clueless when in possession) was also same during Jose's time here. We didn't even counter attack under Jose, which is something Jose is expert at.Does it matter what the clear style of play is?
You could argue that Mourinho and certainly LVG had clear styles of play, they just weren't particularly attractive.
A manager who has a track record of building teams and playing good football.Someone who enjoys working and improving young players....A manager who’s either at his peak or 2-3 seasons away from reaching peak...Reading through the thread(s) asking who the next manager should be, it seems there is a divided opinion on the qualities that are essential in a new appointment. A lack of clarity that has been reflected in appointments to date:
Moyes - Was appointed off the back of a percieved good job during a long spell at Everton, getting them to the CL on one occasion. Was percieved as being hard-working, humble, steady and a safe pair of hands for the long term.
Van Gaal - Was appointed off the back of a long history of managing and succeeding at top European clubs, in contrast to Moyes' lack of experience in that regard. Was percieved as bringing top level experience, a strong personality and a defined philosophy on how the game should be played, all of which also contrasted with Moyes.
Mourinho - Shared some of the same percieved strong points that LVG had over Moyes (a strong personality and experience at the top level) but crucially had more recent success, was experienced in the PL, a results-first approach that contrasted with LVG's dogmatic posession philosophy and a focus on shorter-term success.
Solskjaer - A manager with almost no experience at this level, in contrast to all three prior appointments. Was percieved to have a strong connection to the club (where Moyes, LVG and Mou were outsiders), a softer approach (more similar to Moyes than the strident LVG and Mou), a desire to return us to the style of football of our glory years (as opposed to the possession-based LVG or the defensive Mourinho) and a longer term, youth orientated approach (in contrast with Mourinho).
Managers with a mixed bag of traits, often appointed for qualities that contrast with their predecessors, none of whom have succeeded here.
So, my question: What qualities are essential in our next appointment in your view? What type of manager do we need? I'm not really looking for suggestions of who we should appoint, just what profile they should be.
Do they need to have extensive experience at the top level or should they be a younger, modern manager? Do they have to have won trophies or is other criteria more important? Do they have to play an attractive brand of football or are you fine with a pragmatic approach? Do they have to be cognisant of the traditions of the club or should they look to forget the past and stamp their own identity on the club? Should it be someone who looks to build for the long term or does it have to be someone who gets results now?
When Moyes was manager:2 pages in and I'm shocked nobody said "understands the club" yet.
I have to disagree on this. Personally I was ok with Mourinho's second season when we came 2nd. The football wasn't great at time but there was clear progress in the our position in the league and reaching another cup final. He should have been backed in the summer after with the players he wanted.We could all agree on a list, and even if we went and got exactly that, the forum would still criticise and we would still be a clueless club unless we go and win the league pretty much.
We’ve appointed managers who have been popular choices at the time.
If we got one that understand how modern attacking football is played, that would be a start.When Moyes was manager:
“We need someone who won something”
When LvG was manager:
“We need someone who always wins trophies”
When Mourinho was manager:
“We need someone who plays attacking football, plays youth and understands the club”
...
"We need someone with all of the above".When Moyes was manager:
“We need someone who won something”
When LvG was manager:
“We need someone who always wins trophies”
When Mourinho was manager:
“We need someone who plays attacking football, plays youth and understands the club”
...
And what's that? The type of football we were playing in the mid 90s? Because nothing has really changed, just a bunch of new analysts and fans who think they're seeing new things because they can screencap stills of a game and put circles around a player.If we got one that understand how modern attacking football is played, that would be a start.
And what's that? The type of football we were playing in the mid 90s? Because nothing has really changed, just a bunch of new analysts and fans who think they're seeing new things because they can screencap stills of a game and put circles around a player.
Where does winning trophies come on the list?All in all Pochettino fits the criteria we need for our next manager. Other candidates that can fit such criteria are Tuchel and nagelsmann.
- A manager that has an attack oriented philosophy with a possession based gameplan.
- Good man management and emotional intelligence abilities
- A Track record of overachieving
- Emphasis on attacking fullback
- Has player pulling power(as seen with Pochettino with Frankie De Jong and N’Dombele recently)
- Premier league experience is a plus
- Work with limited resources if has to
- In the top 5 or 10 of best manager across the world(Pochettino is second or third considering Klopp won the best manager award)
- Can get the best out of average players
- Can lure a top talent from their previous club (Poch with Kane..game changer) is a plus
Ole doesn’t even check over 50% of this, no surprise that he is struggling.
Mourinho was a serial winner of trophies, yet he produced some of the worst football I have seen at United. So it is not a requirement. Especially if the manager has a poor footballing philosophy. Footballing philosophy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trophies. If that is a requirement, Nagelsmann and Pochettino, some of the most progressive managers today will be disqualified.Where does winning trophies come on the list?
Agree but if not given time when players DONT deliver ?We need the manager with a style of fluid attacking, high pressing that focuses on youth and experience, who want to play for our club.
Pretty much what Ole sold himself as to the board and us, but just can’t deliver.
Pellegrino?Their first name needs to be Mauricio
Thing is, we have seen everyone of these players perform better in a United shirt than they have under Ole. He's had time to try and implement some form of football or direction but is failing miserably at it. I get that players aren't performing but when we've seen them all perform well together in the past, it kind of leans towards management and training of players. We don't look like a team that work or train together.Agree but if not given time when players DONT deliver ?
Eh don't agree with this. We're Man Utd, we want to win trophies. That's where Spurs fall down heavily for me over the last few years, they've had all these chances and improved so much, but not a single trophy to show for it is simply a massive failure.Mourinho was a serial winner of trophies, yet he produced some of the worst football I have seen at United. So it is not a requirement. Especially if the manager has a poor footballing philosophy. Footballing philosophy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trophies. If that is a requirement, Nagelsmann and Pochettino, some of the most progressive managers today will be disqualified.
