Is David Moyes career finished in top level football?

Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by Paolo Di Canio, Aug 13, 2019 at 14:56.

  1. Aug 13, 2019 at 17:26
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    He flopped with us and became a bit of a joke, but the good work he did with Everton was still fresh in the minds so the damage his United spell did wasn't irreparable.
    Unfortunately for him his choices since then were not the best and I see him struggling to land a job in the top flight (in England, that is. I think the continent is a non starter).
    His best hope is a relegation candidate getting panicky, but even then will he be strong enough to turn down the wrong club and avoid another Sunderland situation?
  2. Aug 13, 2019 at 17:28
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    Paolo Di Canio "we have to realise it's a doggy dog market"

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    I think getting sacked by Sunderland has to be the lowest point of any manager ever
  3. Aug 13, 2019 at 17:34
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    VeevaVee despite the protests, wears Ugg boots Scout

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    That Everton did better once he left says everything. He did do good work with them, but couldn't take them further.
  4. Aug 13, 2019 at 17:36
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    You need to look up “worse” in the dictionary
  5. Aug 13, 2019 at 17:37
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    :lol:
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    horsechoker Sailor vee, this is a right off.

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  7. Aug 13, 2019 at 17:51
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    Only if he ever becomes less delusional. Nothing stinks like failure than a man that is stubborn, in denial and outdated
  8. Aug 13, 2019 at 17:52
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    TheLiverBird Full Member

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    He'll have opened up his online banking app and continued smiling I'm sure.
  9. Aug 13, 2019 at 19:20
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    Rogers is a progressive manager compared to Moyes. Now he is giving advice on how to handle Pogba, how Maguire was on his radar but did not buy him because Maguire was so big for a young man and he did not know how big Maguire might grow, how he would love to work for Beckham as Beckham played for him when he was the Manager at Preston etc. Honestly I think he has gone bonkers.
  10. Aug 13, 2019 at 19:23
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    None of the current Top6 clubs would touch him, that's for sure. Top7-10 clubs should approach him with great care, especially rising clubs like Wolves.

    Italy? Nah. Holland? Nah. Germany? Ha! Spain? Already failed.

    A big club in France other than PSG? Hmm, maybe...does he speak French? It always helps if you're living/working there.

    Porto? Benfica? Sporting L.? Maybe
  11. Aug 13, 2019 at 19:24
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    Judge Red Don't Call Me Douglas

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    He’s finished in the Premier League and made enough money from us that he doesn’t have any hunger to work in the Championship where he belongs at this point.
  12. Aug 13, 2019 at 19:27
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    You need to look up "joke" in the dictionary.
  13. Aug 13, 2019 at 19:29
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  14. Aug 13, 2019 at 19:33
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    His consistent refusal to admit anything from his time at United was his fault makes me not feel sorry for him at all.

    Inept dinosaur of a manager stuck hoovering up the crumbs of Allardyce/Bruce/Hughes/Pardew.
  15. Aug 13, 2019 at 19:36
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    His next money maker will be a book I’d expect, probably had some clause for the last 6 years that stopped him.
  16. Aug 13, 2019 at 19:38
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    He isn't suited to be the manager of a top club. He tried it at United and the pressure was too much. Not only that, but his decision making was very suspect, particularly with the changes that he made with the backroom staff. Ultimately, he doesn't really have a distinctive style of play that his teams play, or at least it isn't suited for any of the sides in the current top 4 or even top 6. I would echo that for the bigger sides over Europe, too. So, on first impressions, it doesn't seem good for him.

    What he needs to do is find a mid-level club out there where he will be given a bit of time and space to rebuild his career. Sunderland initially seemed like a good prospect for him and I was hopeful that he would be able to do something good there. It's not nice seeing people fail. Above all, he needs to have it in himself to want to improve, because the type of football that he was serving was outdated and he is in danger of being left behind, if he isn't at that point already.

    If he's got the stomach for it, either a Championship club (a mid-level club with prospects of going up, or one that isn't in immediate danger of being relegated) or he could try abroad, but it won't be at an elite club.
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    He should try Middlesbrough.
  18. Aug 13, 2019 at 19:40
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    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

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    He finally won something...in India.
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    Steve Bruce has bounced back more times than Zebedee.
  20. Aug 13, 2019 at 19:41
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    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

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    Err...tried it and didn't work out
  21. Aug 13, 2019 at 19:42
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    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

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    He's been very clever though;resigning and then stepping into another mid table club, then resigning again. Like Zebedee in a hamster wheel
  22. Aug 13, 2019 at 19:50
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    Honestly, who cares?
  23. Aug 13, 2019 at 19:54
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    He tried it at one club. In one country. If a manager fails at a job in England, is he then barred from trying it at another English club?
    There are too many variables. Maybe it was the wrong time for him, or the wrong club, or he had the wrong players, or the board weren't a right fit, or maybe something else. It isn't enough to just say give up because you tried it once.
  24. Aug 13, 2019 at 20:11
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    The problem with him is that he compares himself to LVG, Jose and Pep etc while the only common thing he had with these three is that all three were managers in Manchester and both managed United and both got the sack but both won trophies at United while Moyes never won anything and did not even last a full season. He is delusional. Honestly he is not even as good as Big Sam. Big Sam has never been relegated but his Bolton played with flair and he had fantastic players who was allowed to play that way. Furthermore, Big Sam talked the talk and was always entertaining in his interviews.
  25. Aug 13, 2019 at 20:12
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  26. Aug 13, 2019 at 20:13
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    If I was him I'd try one of the higher up sides in the championship, try and get them promoted and a good FA cup run.

    That way with a newly promoted side he can celebrate 80 odd crosses, Liverpool definitely will be "favourites" when they play them and a newly promoted side can only "aspire" to be like City.... Oh and dont forget there will definitely be doubt over how the balls came out of the bag when his newly promoted side are drawn against all of last season's top 4 in their first 4 matches....
  27. Aug 13, 2019 at 20:20
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    He should never have got the Man United job in the first place!

    I remember laughing my head off when United appointed him because I just knew he would approach United with the same mentality he had at Everton!

    Its nonsense to suggest he did a good job at Everton. in 11 years he failed to win a trophy. Failed to qualify for the Champions League proper, and crucially failed to win any of the 44 away league games at Anfield, Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge or Highbury/Emirates. That last fact should have told you that his small time mentality would never work at a big club.

    Is he finished at top level football? Yes, because he never actually got there in the first place.
  28. Aug 13, 2019 at 20:22
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    I’d say yes but then Steve Bruce got another crack at the whip. You can never quite be sure.
  29. Aug 13, 2019 at 20:27
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    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

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    the ultimate vilification of him then...:lol:

    Come on, he's rubbish. Might as well invest in younger managers instead of perennial failure
  30. Aug 13, 2019 at 20:34
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    100% this.

    The problem with Moyes was he was a dinosaur when we appointed him, can you imagine him now with the likes of Pep, Klopp, Pochettino, Emery and even Eddie Howe around?

    The man probably still has a landline for gods sake.
  31. Aug 13, 2019 at 20:35
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  32. Aug 13, 2019 at 20:35
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    Hard to say. Sunderland was a shit show, but but they failed to win promotion from League one this year; I'm not sure you can really blame the guy. West Ham I thought he did a reasonable job - was unlucky to get fired I thought. A job in Spain is tough for a non Spanish speaker too...

    He'll get another shot I think. Here's not a bad coach...
  33. Aug 13, 2019 at 20:39
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    Sheffield United will come calling when things get desperate, after Big Sam reject them first of course, you heard it here first.
  34. Aug 13, 2019 at 21:07
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    Well, it flew right over my head :|
  35. Aug 13, 2019 at 21:09
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    Good point!
  36. Aug 13, 2019 at 21:20
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    And Solskjær has won it!
    Was it the wrong time, club, players, board or something else at his last 4 clubs or is he just not a good football manager?

    I know which is more likely.
  37. Aug 13, 2019 at 21:24
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    Vidyoyo Self-confessed coffee shop chat-up expert

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    He's too old school. Doesn't suit modern football whatsoever.

    His Everton team was dreadful to watch.
  38. Aug 13, 2019 at 21:33
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    I'd say he's probably got another dos, tres, quatro years left in management. Then he should probably retire.
  39. Aug 13, 2019 at 23:42
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    The club of the top flight managers comes with lifetime membership. There's always going to be a club desperate enough to take a gamble on him. His Everton gig has set him for his life.
  40. Aug 14, 2019 at 00:23
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    Why do these middle of the table clubs rotate or recycle all the garbage? Why do not give opportunities to young managers? It is always Moyes, Bruce, Hodgson, Big Sam ( if he wants a relegation bound club), Warnock etc.