aka The Watford Theory.Well surely if you keep on hiring and firing managers one day you'll land a Ferguson.
aka The Watford Theory.Well surely if you keep on hiring and firing managers one day you'll land a Ferguson.
You are correct. It will be unpopular because Moyes became a meme. He was definitely a higher manager than Ole (comfortably mid table/top 8 level manager) and was not giving the time Ole has been given.He is a manager of a higher level than the one we have now. It won't be a popular opinion but he wasn't given the opportunities Ole has been who is still managing to perform worse.
Oh feck off. You wouldn't know a decent manager if he came in and fired you if you think Moyes wasn't pitifully shite. Man should have been put in the stocks, he took the piss.You are correct. It will be unpopular because Moyes became a meme. He was definitely a higher manager than Ole (comfortably mid table/top 8 level manager) and was not giving the time Ole has been given.
However, that's because Ole has been given way more time than he deserves and has not yet proven he is even a premier league level manager.
You are correct. It will be unpopular because Moyes became a meme. He was definitely a higher manager than Ole (comfortably mid table/top 8 level manager) and was not giving the time Ole has been given.
However, that's because Ole has been given way more time than he deserves and has not yet proven he is even a premier league level manager.
Actually, everytime we have changed manager we have actually seen an improvement in performance.It's as much that as it is the fact United have changed managers several times since Moyes was appointed and there is now a wider recognition that simply changing the manager doesn't get to the root of the performance issues.
Yeah, I'm talking over the medium to long term.Actually, everytime we have changed manager we have actually seen an improvement in performance.
Its usually when they've started meddling with the makeup of the squad, bringing their own boys in and had enough time for their coaching to have an effect that the performances drop off.
He has a Jan 2019 window.Moyes was appointed in May 2013 and had two transfer windows before getting sacked in April 2014.
Solskjaer was appointed permanently in March 2019 and has had one transfer window.
Before he was appointed as a permanent manager, and only what 2-3 weeks after becoming interim manager.He has a Jan 2019 window.
Before he was appointed as a permanent manager, and only what 2-3 weeks after becoming interim manager.
You can hardly count that window as one in which he could have signed anyone to shape the squad. At the time no one thought he would be made permanent.
Moyes got too much time.
I'm not going out of my way to defend Solskjaer if he got sacked tomorrow or at any point in the last few months i don't think he could complain, we could and should have sacked Moyes way before we did also. But anyone spouting disingenuous bullshit like the club has had more patience with Solskjaer or given him more time than Moyes i'm not having. Solskjaer might see out his first full season as permanent manager, and if he doesn't get CL football then just like Moyes in 13/14 and Van Gaal in 15/16 he'll deservedly get the sack.Doesn't matter what you say about Moyes, Solskjaer is currently sitting on the worst United league start in 30-odd years. That's BEFORE the PL was even born. That is a fact.
Probably was worse than Moyes football but not by much. The real difference between the two though is Van Gaal wasn't a complete twat who tried to throw everyone and anyone under the bus.I get that a lot of people have this blinkered and obsessive hatred towards Moyes but for me, even though he got us a trophy (which the beloved Smalling nearly fecked up, by the way), Louis van Gaal dished up by far some of the worst football I've seen in a long time.
Ole is so far getting the time he deserves. Moyes should have gotten the time he deserved. But we are a glory hunting bunch who don’t understand basic leadership needs and therefore Moyes was sacked and we’ll probably be successful in pushing Ole out too so we can have the next manager to push out in no time.You are correct. It will be unpopular because Moyes became a meme. He was definitely a higher manager than Ole (comfortably mid table/top 8 level manager) and was not giving the time Ole has been given.
However, that's because Ole has been given way more time than he deserves and has not yet proven he is even a premier league level manager.
He got more time than he deserved, should have been gone in November.Ole is so far getting the time he deserves. Moyes should have gotten the time he deserved. But we are a glory hunting bunch who don’t understand basic leadership needs and therefore Moyes was sacked and we’ll probably be successful in pushing Ole out too so we can have the next manager to push out in no time.
He could job share with Ole, Moyes takes the games against the lower 10 and Ole against the top 10We could bring him back! He can do well with weaker sides so should do well with us.
I would argue Moyes didnt understand basic leadership either.Ole is so far getting the time he deserves. Moyes should have gotten the time he deserved. But we are a glory hunting bunch who don’t understand basic leadership needs and therefore Moyes was sacked and we’ll probably be successful in pushing Ole out too so we can have the next manager to push out in no time.
Can’t see it. His stock has fallen beyond what Rangers, or Celtic for that matter, would expect. Season ticket revenue is a more critical funding stream in Scotland compared to the big money TV leagues and an underwhelming appointment both in terms of reputation and style would be bad for business. And his time with Celtic as a player reinforces the unlikeliness of him becoming a good fit for Rangers.Best he can hope for is taking up at Rangers after Stevie G or begging Becks for the Inter Miami gig
No it's being kept open, like the sore that he was on our post-Fergie history.So can this thread be locked now? I think the answer is pretty clear. A trainwreck of a 'leader'
We played better football under Moyes I think. Granted we played terrible in the big league games. Fellani, Rooney plus Carrick as our midfield was suicide since it could not press or run enough.The difference between Moyes and Ole is:
Moyes inherit a champion winning team to 7th position.
Ole inherit a 7th place team to er.. 6th.
I think you forgot the white textWe played better football under Moyes I think.
We did play better in most of the games. We created more. Standards are much lower now so people feel better about the current crap against bottom teamsmI think you forgot the white text
There was no way they’d have had him back at Everton. The owners clearly have big ideas, and while their implementation of those ideas has been disastrous to date, there’s no way bringing Moyes back would help. Plus it would look stupid.He's still got a chance of returning to West Ham; I mean that's what the media said over the weekend, just like they did about him going back to Everton. So they must be reliable this time... I mean why would anyone in the British media write something positive about Moyes if it's complete bullshit?
Go ahead then, give the argument then.I would argue Moyes didnt understand basic leadership either.
Leadership is very difficult to teach. You either have it or you don’t. And Moyes simply couldn’t get the respect of the players which in turn makes it very difficult to then lead them.Go ahead then, give the argument then.
I argue leadership needs time. The time to familiarize, learn, make mistakes and finally adapt.
New manager would have needed to continue close relations with SAF and also to continue his legacy. That means same values, same system, same employees. Then after some while, maybe the first year, some changes could have been done. It’s extremely hard and it takes time.Leadership is very difficult to teach. You either have it or you don’t. And Moyes simply couldn’t get the respect of the players which in turn makes it very difficult to then lead them.
In my opinion any manager that took over after Fergie would have failed. Everything at the club was pretty much organised by him for over 25 years. People don’t like change, everything changed when he retired. It’s why I don’t think a single top manager wanted the job, they knew it was the impossible job to take over from him.
Why would they sack Parker? 4th in the league and just beat LeedsWas at Fulham-Leeds taking notes apparently so could be a contender if they sack Scott Parker.
That would be mental!Why would they sack Parker? 4th in the league and just beat Leeds
It's a little similar to Darren Moore last season. West Brom were in a similar position to Fulham but never convinced for top 2 (compared to what they're doing this season under Bilic) and Moore was sacked in March.Why would they sack Parker? 4th in the league and just beat Leeds
By all accounts Moyes could be very generous to journalists. He certainly knew where his bread was buttered.He's still got a chance of returning to West Ham; I mean that's what the media said over the weekend, just like they did about him going back to Everton. So they must be reliable this time... I mean why would anyone in the British media write something positive about Moyes if it's complete bullshit?