JB08
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There’s more to football than just United/the Premier League. We tend to play some pretty crap stuff at times.
I agree, but I think the type of player have actually improved. CBs are expected to play from the back, fullbacks expected to attack, wingers to score goals and strikers to distribute the game as well. We have more complete players today than 10-20 years ago.Im talking more about the types of players that exist today vs the 90s. I do not think it is romanticising the past at all. The players and type of players are totally different and there is no more any room for the entertainer in a team.
On the other hand the game is more fast paced and played at a higher level tactically now than then. But again in my opinion that has distracted from the entertainment.
A player like Jay Jay Okacha wouldnt survive in the same style he did in the PL at Bolton for instance.
Pretty sure people are not just speaking about UnitedThere’s more to football than just United/the Premier League. We tend to play some pretty crap stuff at times.
The funny thing is, watching football has never been that social for me. I used to go a lot with my dad, which was great and I wouldn't change it for the world, but it's obviously not as fun as having a beer and being silly with your mates. This factor seems to be amplified in Europe. Having experienced standing with a beer in the stadium during a great comeback by Stuttgart, I realised just how much fun it can really be, and I didn't even have any connection to the team. I guess the people that go to games with mates here and include a pub visit get to experience this side of it on a lesser scale. But then this is entertainment that isn't necessarily directly related to the football itself.I'd agree with this. Football was always a social event, either at the game or in some kind of establishment or house with mates. Take that away and you take away about 80% of the enjoyment for me. Watching it on the tele on my own is OK but not being able to share great moments or even terrible days like yesterday with your mates almost makes it all pointless.
Agree with this, but it's rare there's even one team in the league playing well enough for this to be the case, which again has to be pretty damning of football.Football when played well is extremely entertaining.
There was definitely a realisation when crowds went that it's just a bunch of young lads kicking a ball around. I mentioned this at the time and some agreed with me. It's like the fans make it seem more important and a bigger deal than it really is. The atmosphere and reactions do add to the entertainment of course too.No fans is a compromise of the sport, let’s be honest.
Do feel there was a golden era for football, and not just because we were so good during a large part of it. Teams filled with icons and big personalities all over Europe. Flowing, aggressive football without everyone concentrating on stats. More flair because of this (someone made a thread on this recently). People say it's just nostalgia but I don't think it is.I grew up watching us in the 90’s and spent my 20’s watching us win in the 2000’s. So I don’t think football will ever get better for me, even if we suddenly became incredible and won 5 league and CL’s in a row, it’ll never top those formative years.
CL games in the late 90s were magic, there was such a special feel to them. It’s been heavily over-commoditised since and has become just as mundane as the domestic leagues are now. Like you say, it was full of special players and teams had unique identities. There were actually personalities as well.There used to be a magic about European games, because some star players you'd never seen play before, like the Milan or Real Madrid stars. Now you can read, watch and know their every movement before they play us.
You're right that there were just as many bad games in the 90s and 00s but they weren't on TV so some TV producer kindly broke it down to 5 minutes for you and you just continued with your day.
Fullbacks were always expected to attack in good sides. The isssue is back then the top ones could defend as well as they could attack.I agree, but I think the type of player have actually improved. CBs are expected to play from the back, fullbacks expected to attack, wingers to score goals and strikers to distribute the game as well. We have more complete players today than 10-20 years ago.
Also I remember reading about how the goal tally is steady diminishing each year in football, I think that obviously hurts the expectable and thats because low teams are more organized than before and its harder to break defenses today that what it was before.
And going every week for some reason.It’s like watching a 2 hour gig from a band that only ever had one hit.
Yes the very best attacked and defended, but know its expected to pretty much everything. The CB and RB position improved, players are expected to be more than defenders.Fullbacks were always expected to attack in good sides. The isssue is back then the top ones could defend as well as they could attack.
And maybe you miss what I mean by entertainer as a player. We dont really have Ronaldinho, Okocha, Haji, Rui Costa etc etc type players these days. Every world cup you used to see a new party trick from at least a couple of players. That doesnt happen anymore. Basically flair is being driven out of the game by the efficiencies that have been made.
A 0-0 or a 1-0 can be very entertaining its not about the scoreline to be honest
There used to be a magic about European games, because some star players you'd never seen play before, like the Milan or Real Madrid stars. Now you can read, watch and know their every movement before they play us.
You're right that there were just as many bad games in the 90s and 00s but they weren't on TV so some TV producer kindly broke it down to 5 minutes for you and you just continued with your day.
Maybe in the PL CB and fullbacks improved. But these ball playing CBs and attacking fullbacks were the bedrock of total footballing sides back then too. In terms of CBs Im not sure they actually do more with the way teams defend now either.Yes the very best attacked and defended, but know its expected to pretty much everything. The CB and RB position improved, players are expected to be more than defenders.
I get your point about flair, and yes that has been slowly vanished. But we still have Messi, Cristiano, Neymar, Dybala and this kind of fair players. Anyway its an opinion there are no hard truths about this, but I think football has greatly improved and will continue to do so.
The game is faster now isnt it? And players run alot more tooFootball is only boring if you equate excitement to running.
Football is less fast paced and more intricate but I enjoy watching a team try and solve a defensive puzzle.
How many? A pretty small percentage, I'd suggestI don’t get this ? Some games you see are as entertaining as anything in life.
When the PL started this season the average goals per game was 3.9 for the first few weeks there was great games. Pool vs Leeds, Us vs Southampton, Fulham vs Leeds, Us and Brighton. Villa vs Liverpool. There is loads of games if you don’t just watch United. Our games overall aren’t the best bar a fewHow many? A pretty small percentage, I'd suggest
A handful of games out of hundreds still isn't a great percentage though.When the PL started this season the average goals per game was 3.9 for the first few weeks there was great games. Pool vs Leeds, Us vs Southampton, Fulham vs Leeds, Us and Brighton. Villa vs Liverpool. There is loads of games if you don’t just watch United. Our games overall aren’t the best bar a few
Yeah it's the things surrounding the 90 minute game that makes it worthwhile for me. Travelling to away games etc. It doesn't have to be at the game itself, though that would be preferable, but being with your mates before and after the game, whilst obviously watching the game together is what makes football special. I know it's not the same for everyone but that's how I've consumed my football since I was in school. I have learnt to get used to watching it on my own in the last 12 months, so I don't find football terrible at the moment, but I don't get particularly excited for games either.The funny thing is, watching football has never been that social for me. I used to go a lot with my dad, which was great and I wouldn't change it for the world, but it's obviously not as fun as having a beer and being silly with your mates. This factor seems to be amplified in Europe. Having experienced standing with a beer in the stadium during a great comeback by Stuttgart, I realised just how much fun it can really be, and I didn't even have any connection to the team. I guess the people that go to games with mates here and include a pub visit get to experience this side of it on a lesser scale.
Yeh I’m with you. I never find Utd boring as I’m too nervous and I’m willing every pass into a man. It’s the passion that pulls me through. That doesn’t mean I don’t think we can play better because we can and we have under Ole but I’m rarely bored.Don't know about you but I still like it. Maybe my standards have dropped, but for me football is not all about winning and enjoying every game, if it were that I'd support City. It's more about supporting the team, talking to friends, being nervous when a game is on, etc. If you are neutral, it's quite boring overall, yeah.
No other entertainment comes close in that department. The lows are depressing, but boy are the highs high.The rush that football can provide as an entertainment source simply can't be beaten for me. It's not always brilliant, but when it is, amazing. I'm happy its part of my life.
I can relate to this too. Chelsea games will never be truly boring for me because I'm too emotionally invested in the outcome.Yeh I’m with you. I never find Utd boring as I’m too nervous and I’m willing every pass into a man. It’s the passion that pulls me through. That doesn’t mean I don’t think we can play better because we can and we have under Ole but I’m rarely bored.
To be honest this is down to covid, I feel. Games behind closed doors are shit and have always been shit.We're 2nd in one of, if not the best league in the world in top flight football, and yet for the majority of this season we've been pretty unenjoyable to watch.
This has to be pretty damning of football, doesn't it?
Sure, there's the occasional great game or epic moment, but they're pretty rare in the grand scheme of things, aren't they?
Crowds definitely add to the entertainment factor but is the fact they’re needed also quite damning of football itself?To be honest this is down to covid, I feel. Games behind closed doors are shit and have always been shit.
There's no such thing as great games or epic moments without crowds.
Nothing really feels important and there's no real feeling of jeopardy.
Well no I don't think so.Crowds definitely add to the entertainment factor but is the fact they’re needed also quite damning of football itself?
Exactly. That's why I can't even be bothered about us not winning anything when there aren't crowds, just seems pointless and hollow. My reaction to Liverpool winning was just "right".There's no such thing as great games or epic moments without crowds.
I kind of agree. It clearly isn't the same, but pointless? tell that to the likes of Rangers fans and Liverpool fans last season.Exactly. That's why I can't even be bothered about us not winning anything when there aren't crowds, just seems pointless and hollow. My reaction to Liverpool winning was just "right".
I don't know any Rangers fans, but the Liverpool fans I know seem to be a bit underwhelmed by finally winning the PL when it was under these conditions. That's not a dig at them, I don't blame them. Would be the same for me, I think.I kind of agree. It clearly isn't the same, but pointless? tell that to the likes of Rangers fans and Liverpool fans last season.