Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by Raees, Apr 10, 2019.
What are you on about?
Shock horror refers to the fact that he was inconsistent.
4th season now so he hardly feels like a kid anymore. He does still need more time, but he and Martial have also already had a lot of time.
A striker not in form is always going to attract criticism. Some fair, some unfair. We will all be falling over ourselves to praise him if he played for any of our rivals.
There are big signs that given time he can be our permanent no. 9. It doesn't help he is not having 8-9 performance every game. Also the stats and comparison with Ronaldo need to stop. Ronaldo is a GOAT, Rashford is not going to be that level. But he can definitely be the level below.
Given the amount of turmoil the club has been , I look at Rashford as our bright light for the future. The defeats and seeing our Rivals do so well hurts. But we need to stand by one of our own and not throw him to wolves everything something goes wrong.
Maybe a bright star for the future. Certainly not one to depend on now.
It's not throwing him to the wolves by evaluating his seriously poor performances of late. 8or9 /10 performances are far off right now. He's barely a 5.
I'll never get the caf's obsession of downplaying one of our players' achievements. Literally every player goes through a rough patch, young players more so. Rasher's recent performances are worthy of criticism and they should be but it is beyond stupid to call him overrated and all.
Rooney and Ronaldo both had rough patches. They aren't highlighted due to the team strength. They started off with RVN, arguably our greatest finisher ever, as their strike partner and later had Saha and Tevez as well. Add to that, we had Scholes, Giggs, Ji, and some great fullbacks as well providing chances after chances and goals after goals.
If you want to compare his performances then compare them against 21 year old versions of various strikers, even then he'd be in the top bracket, or just slightly lower
I have just 1 question.
Are we going back to only Mbappe > Rashford if he scores to knock Barca out or will 3 extreme shifts in a month be too much even for us?
and yet so many seem to believe as a fact that he's asked for 300k per week on the basis of nothing more than tabloid reporting.
There's a lot of trolls on this forum I think. Those who enjoy posting extreme views in order to get a reaction. There are also posters who claim to support United but really support other clubs and they like to stoke the fires too.
I struggle to believe that genuine united fans are unable to see that Rashford is one of the best academy products we've had in a very long time and that if we were to release him on a free he'd be snapped up by a top 6 club and not a team like Sunderland or Ipswich.
City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs or Chelsea would take him in a heart beat. I reckon some of those would even pay 60 - 70 million for him if we put him up for sale.
Opposition fans - you'd take Rashford wouldn't you? If so, how much do you think he's worth in a cash transfer?
He tries too many outlandish things in a game but he is still very young. That will go with age. Footballers are way too pressured to be all-rounders younger and younger it seems in football these days. Not everyone is Mbappe.
I'm not sure who to believe when it comes to wages, but it's been reported plenty of times after their contracts that Shaw and Martial are making 180k and 250k respectively. It's not hard at all to believe Rashford will be paid more than Martial, is it?
Criticism does not mean slagging off. There's probably only a handful of posts (if that) that have said Rashford shouldn't be a manutd player.
For the most part, posters have just been expressing their doubts of his ability to be our main No.9 I really don't see what's so controversial about that. Some posters get so precious over Rashford that they expect all his poor performances to be excused due to injury or being young and learning. Almost as if his ability is not allowed to be questioned.
City's title winning side had Sane, sterling and Bernardo yet they still signed Mahrez. Barcelona had Dembele but still went and signed Coutinho. This is how it is at big team, steel sharpens steel and you fight tooth and nail for a place. People talk so much about the Manchester United way and that's exactly what we were all about. I remember in 04/05 we signed Alan Smith and he was banging in the goals at the beginning of the season yet Fergie still brought in Rooney. Our front line RVN, Rooney, Saha, Smith and an injured Ole. It's worth remembering Saha was only signed 6 months prior to the other two, so SAF signed 3 strikers in 6 months.
Some of you just want us to wait idly in the hope of Rashford proving himself whenever that is.
Agree with all of this, but I also credit Rashford with being a more dangerous and dynamic player than both Sanchez and Lukaku, who were both brought in under the assumption they'd play ahead of Rashford.
It doesn't mean we stop trying to buy those players though. Just means the other two were massive mistakes.
I agree with this. Some people have their concerns about Rashford and most of these concerns make sense to me. There are very very few posters on the Caf who genuinely believe that he has no role to play in the team. We are all expressing our opinions here and none of us can predict Marcus's development with 100% certainty. He can become one of the biggest stars in world football, he can flop badly here or he can become a nailed-on starter or a squaddie. I am sure thouhh that we all wish him well and would absolutely love it if he becomes one of United's all-time greats
Any player below 23 is a kid in footballing terms. Period
Yes, the whole team need a shake-up. No striker in the world would have made any difference if we swap Rashford. Firmino, Jesus, Aguero or Lazacette would struggle in our team setup too. But at least the boy show the correct attitude and commitment.
I don't think it has anything to do with him being black or English.
He has been in poor form for a while and it really is clear that he gets greedier when he does go through this slump. Again, not saying he is a bad player but he needs to be taken out of the firing line as his form doesn't warrant a starting spot now.
I think it has a whole lot to do with him being black, it's similar to the treatment Sterling gets. Don't understand why his character has to come in to question because he took some free kicks and had some shots, all of which as a striker he's more than entitled to do. Rooney never got this treatment despite doing exactly the same stuff.
Problem is he is not half the player Rooney was even at his age, let alone his peak. Plus Rooney was the ultimate team player where he was ready to work as a defensive wide player to fit in Ronaldo. I would swap Rooney of that age for Rashford in a heartbeat and that has nothing to do with Rashford being black. Cannot believe him being black is seriously being brought up here to justify posts which back him against the criticism he receives.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with critiquing his form or his decisions during a match. The line is crossed when people are seriously suggesting he needs his 'bubble bursting', bringing down a peg or two, or generally questioning his character as a person. That kind of judgement is reserved for our young black players unfortunately, and it's disgraceful. He's done nothing wrong to have people questioning how much he thinks of himself.
The only worry I have about Rashford is we're relying too much on him before he's ready. Rooney and Ronaldo had a good team full of seasoned pros who helped them develop.
Rashford has a bunch of underperforming old heads around him who have failed to live up to being proper Manchester United players for close to five years now.
People who always see imaginary racism are almost as bad as the racists themselves. Stop derailing the thread
Plus Rooney and Ronaldo were vastly superior players anyway.
They were inconsistent as well, but they had a lot better players to rely on in their moments of inconsistency. They could progress without the pressure that Rashford has on him. I mean the older attacking options in Mata and Sanchez are quite useless, Martial is also inconsistent. Lukaku should be the player to rely on, and that is why we brought him for that money, but he is not.
I'd say Rooney was, but Ronaldo was frustrating as hell back in those days. But, like I said, he had proper guidance back then, unlike Rashford now.
Rashford isn’t getting guided by Ole, a fellow striker?
Frustrating yes but much better ability than Rashford.
This. Roy Keane was the captain in those days. Someone who'd tell you off if the weight of your pass was off (I still remember the cameras catching him snarling at Darren Fletcher "you call that a pass?!" back then).
Rashford's captain can't even clear the first man when he attempts a cross.
Ole has been at United for like, 2 minutes?
The main gist of my point was, we never had to rely on Rooney or Ronaldo solely to win games back then. Whatever frustrating thing Ronaldo did back then, we still won matches. He was allowed the space and had the pressure eased off him for him to grow.
I don't know if he's living in a bubble, although for him to get this rumored fat contract is absolute nonsense as he's nowhere near good enough to warrant that amount, same goes with Martial for that matter.
What I find incredible is how he's taking the free kicks when he's just really bad at them. He's so limited as a striker, his first touch is poor, his finishing is worse, he has no hold up abilities and is simply a non-issue for defenders if they can just keep up with his pace, which is fairly overrated by some on here.
I don't think it's so much Rashford that needs to have his bubble burst as it is some United fans who massively overrate the kid.
Well, at least the excuses are getting creative.
Young had 11 chances to deliver a decent cross, he managed zero. He also lost possession 30+ times. I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
That's just extraordinary.
Rooney and Ronaldo general play and level of mistakes or poor decision making were not as bad as Rashford at the same age. It's got little to do with who they're surrounded by.
When Rashford shins a simple enough volley from 10 yards away from goal, or fluffes an ambitious pass or constantly tries to beat a man using one trick (knocking the ball in front and trying to over run the defender), it's more a sign that he's technically more limited than they were.
As a standalone player he might be very good one day but he isn't yet. That's regardless of if you surround him by talent or not.
What excuses? I'm not saying he's under performing because he doesn't have guidance. I'm saying I worry for his development because he doesn't have guidance.
You certainly have implied that his performances are correlated by a lack of guidance (even though he's had a solid 5 months, not "2 minutes" under the man with one of the best insights into being a striker).
At the end of the day, the mistakes he makes has nothing to do with a lack of talent around him. He makes individual errors and poor decisions on his own too frequently, and his physicality isn't there yet either.
I think another big part is to do with the system. Ole favours 2 up top but it doesn't suit Rashford who is better accustomed to the wide role. His best moments come when he's burning defenders for pace, which he can't do as much centrally unless there's a peach of a ball played in behind. Playing centrally requires a more diverse skill set which he doesn't have. Yet.
No one said it was racism, I'm questioning the intentions of this discussion in comparison to the way we discuss other players.
This thread is about questioning his character or the need to 'burst his bubble', and if you'd bothered to actually read what I wrote you'd see that it's fine to question his performances and/or form, but yet again we are talking about the character of one of our black players, just like Depay, Pogba, Lingard and Lukaku before him. No one was questioning Shaw or Lindelöf's character when they were playing shit. No one questions Jones character.
Also, who made you king of the thread?
Selective blindness at its peak there.
Shaw's character, desire, attitude have all been trampled on for the last 4 fecking seasons, by his managers fans and pundits alike, and rightly so.
Jones gets it from all corners for being a headless chicken and a crock.
They had stinkers as well, and Ronaldo was especially called as weak, a diver and a show pony by many a fans. Rashford has plenty of talent, and no matter how much you delude yourself that he is ordinary, or that Rooney and Ronaldo were not horribly inconsistent as well, that is simply not true. It is also a fact that they had better players to play with, and Rashford is certainly not limited technically.
Also, Ronaldo and Rooney have skied plenty of volleys as well, even when they became a superstars, such a stupid thing to point out. He is a very good player already, and that is regardless of whether you accept it or not, and if we had better players, then it would make a difference for him as well as the team.
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