Is it time to burst “Rashy’s” bubble?

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He plays all the games is young and leading our line. We have no depth and are putting way to much trust on his young shoulders.
 

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He never looked himself right from the start. It was clear that he doesn't want to be on the pitch - trying to push himself hard. At this level, it is impossible to carry someone in a team of youngsters. Especially, if he is the only striker. It was a foolish decision to play him if Ole was aware of this fitness issues and now we risk losing him for longer.
 

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Something looked wrong with him from the start of the match. Just didn't seem to be moving right.
 

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Feck the injury, let's call it what it is - he was absolutely diabolical again today. He is nothing more than a kick and run merchant who has somehow convinced people he has more in the locker.

Dan James would be a better option for striker than him - James is faster. If we're going kick and run, use the fastest merchant we have.

Hopefully the injury isn't too bad but Rashford or no Rashford, we aren't scoring goals.
 

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Something looked wrong with him from the start of the match. Just didn't seem to be moving right.
Don't think he has for a while tbh
 
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He needs a loan.

Problem is, we've got no other fecking strikers.

Not top 4 quality, but too good to be sitting on the bench. He needs a loan and we need better strikers.

He’s knackered
It's September!

He's 21 and just had 3 months off.

If he's knackered already he needs to change his profession. Maybe an office job?
 

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I'm wondering what next for rashford, I think he hasnt been helped by having to work under the likes of Mourinho and Solskjear but James is looking better on the left wing than him, martial can actually finish, so do we go with rashford on the right now seeing as the other options are lingard, mata and Pereira?
 

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I'm wondering what next for rashford, I think he hasnt been helped by having to work under the likes of Mourinho and Solskjear but James is looking better on the left wing than him, martial can actually finish, so do we go with rashford on the right now seeing as the other options are lingard, mata and Pereira?
In short yes. If Rashford is to play anywhere right now it should be on the right. He’s just not ruthless enough or good enough right now to be our main goal getter.
 

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People are really expecting too much of him. He's still 21. Most likely he will again reach double figures this year which is good return for a young forward.

Needs to receive some proper guidance and coaching and play in a coherent side. Regardless of being young he has been overplayed and has high work rate. Playing him 3 games straight would take a toll on him, it's normal.

He shouldn't be our leading striker but he is because of our shortage of options.
 

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He shouldn't be our leading striker but he is because of our shortage of options.
You’re right, he shouldn’t be our leading striker but it’s nothing to do with options. It’s because it was planned that he and Martial would be our strikers. That’s how I see it. Planned. Wrongly planned as well. Nothing suggested either Rashford or Martial could bring us enough goals.
 

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He has very low level technical skills.

Things like receiving the ball on the foot away from the defender, diverting the ball into a good shooting angle with the first touch he doesn’t do.

The coaching stuff should be straight up with him about his lousy skills- that should burst his bubble.
 

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You’re right, he shouldn’t be our leading striker but it’s nothing to do with options. It’s because it was planned that he and Martial would be our strikers. That’s how I see it. Planned. Wrongly planned as well. Nothing suggested either Rashford or Martial could bring us enough goals.
Yup. He's still a good player and one of our better players. But many underestimate how hard it is to answer to all those expectations and lead the line when you have non existent midfield and little to no service on top of running like mad to press opposition players starting 3 times per week.

I can see fans turning on Mason as well as soon as he gets some playing time and going on a barren run. Attacking players need confidence and nurturing, expecting Rashford to somehow become 20+ goals per season striker overnight when you sell your senior striker is delusional.

What is even more mind boggling is going into the season playing 4-2-3-1 with Rashford and Martial - neither of whom played even a season as a striker..

At the end it is where we are. Selling and loaning him won't do us any good.
 

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People are really expecting too much of him. He's still 21. Most likely he will again reach double figures this year which is good return for a young forward.

Needs to receive some proper guidance and coaching and play in a coherent side. Regardless of being young he has been overplayed and has high work rate. Playing him 3 games straight would take a toll on him, it's normal.

He shouldn't be our leading striker but he is because of our shortage of options.
We need a better striker. We are being led by two strikers (Martial and Rashford) who get less goals in all competitions combined, than top strikers get goals in just their league competitions alone.

That being said, we also need a RW and better midfielders to help contribute with their own goals PLUS ASSISTS FOR THE STRIKERS.



Martial and Rashford should be squad players if we are playing with a single striker. We need someone better. Or they need to become 20+ goals a season strikers
 

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We need a better striker. We are being led by two strikers (Martial and Rashford) who get less goals in all competitions combined, than top strikers get goals in just their league competitions alone.

That being said, we also need a RW and better midfielders to help contribute with their own goals PLUS ASSISTS FOR THE STRIKERS.



Martial and Rashford should be squad players if we are playing with a single striker. We need someone better. Or they need to become 20+ goals a season strikers
Can't recall the last striker at 21 who was hitting 20+ goals at will. Let alone in a dysfunctional side. It was unrealistic to start with and many called it before a ball was kicked.

Had we had a senior striker this year to take the responsibility in leading the line and Rashford to rest/rotate with Martial on the left and brought in as a CF against tired legs would have been much different to his development this season alone.
 

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Can't recall the last striker at 21 who was hitting 20+ goals at will. Let alone in a dysfunctional side. It was unrealistic to start with and many called it before a ball was kicked.

Had we had a senior striker this year to take the responsibility in leading the line and Rashford to rest/rotate with Martial on the left and brought in as a CF against tired legs would have been much different to his development this season alone.
It’s not their fault that they are young and “senior” strikers for our time. It’s multiple levels of managements’ fault that we are relying on two young inconsistent strikers to be our main source of goals.

I agree they should be rotation squad members/subs in the striker position and/or start at LW
 

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Rashford has lost quite a lot of time in his development as a CF, probably would have been better for him to have been on loan playing as a CF than having stayed with United playing LW if his long term goal is to be a striker.

People keep referencing his goalscoring at 21, however those are not the things that you look at and think he isn't ready to be a CF, it his actual game at CF and craft in the position.

Had he been playing the role even at a lower level for the past 4 years he would be so far ahead of where he is now

Abraham will be an example of this I feel later this season and in a few years, movement and intelligence in and around the box because he has been learning and perfecting his craft.

Rashford is still 21 though and can still develop, but he needs to stick to a position and really master it now you feel. If that is going to be LW then stick to it, if its CF then stick to that
 

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Rashford should not have been put in the position of bearing responsibility for leading United's line as one of only two recognised strikers. I'm very excited about him and Martial, but there has to be someone else there who is experienced and proven, just to shield the young players.
 

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Yup. He's still a good player and one of our better players. But many underestimate how hard it is to answer to all those expectations and lead the line when you have non existent midfield and little to no service on top of running like mad to press opposition players starting 3 times per week.

I can see fans turning on Mason as well as soon as he gets some playing time and going on a barren run. Attacking players need confidence and nurturing, expecting Rashford to somehow become 20+ goals per season striker overnight when you sell your senior striker is delusional.

What is even more mind boggling is going into the season playing 4-2-3-1 with Rashford and Martial - neither of whom played even a season as a striker..

At the end it is where we are. Selling and loaning him won't do us any good.
Dont agree, running like mad doesnt seem to bother liverpool's front three. Also the service might not be great but he still missed numerous chances in the UEFA league game and was continually badly positioned in west ham game...he was also clean through at one point but managed to mess that up as well. It's high time to stop making excuses for our players.
 

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Rashford should not have been put in the position of bearing responsibility for leading United's line as one of only two recognised strikers. I'm very excited about him and Martial, but there has to be someone else there who is experienced and proven, just to shield the young players.
I completely agree. Rashford, Martial and James will be criticised at different stages of the season simply because the management/Ole planned poorly for the season. These players are not yet ready to take on the main goal scoring burden and adding another leading goal scorer would have taken off the pressure from these young players and would have afforded Ole the luxury to leave them out when they are going through a bad patch.
 

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I think his tail is cautionary tail of how not to handle player development.

Rashfrord broker through in the last few months of Van Gaals reign, as an instinctive centre forward fearless in front pf goal, he thrived working under a coach who new how to handle and devlop young players.

Van Gaal was fired, Mourinho was brought in, some one famous for preferring to work with experienced and who has a reputation for not working a great deal on attacking play in training. Further more Zlatan was brought in. So Rashford was benched, and when he did play it was generally on the wing.

People said at the time he doesn't need to play, he's young, or it won't affect him playing out of position, Mourinho's lack of attacking coaching is a myth. Well clearly it did affect him, his instinctivness in front of goal dried up, his progression slowed down to a snails pace, and he became more adapt at playing on the wing than upfront.

Fast forward 3 years, and he looks like a player who doesn't have a position, who panics infront of goal

The bottom line is if you want a player to progress, the need game time in there, good coaching and patience. You can just through a player who has been generally used as a winger for 3 years in a badly coached team, and expect him to suddenly become a lethal striker!
 

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I think his tail is cautionary tail of how not to handle player development.

Rashfrord broker through in the last few months of Van Gaals reign, as an instinctive centre forward fearless in front pf goal, he thrived working under a coach who new how to handle and devlop young players.

Van Gaal was fired, Mourinho was brought in, some one famous for preferring to work with experienced and who has a reputation for not working a great deal on attacking play in training. Further more Zlatan was brought in. So Rashford was benched, and when he did play it was generally on the wing.

People said at the time he doesn't need to play, he's young, or it won't affect him playing out of position, Mourinho's lack of attacking coaching is a myth. Well clearly it did affect him, his instinctivness in front of goal dried up, his progression slowed down to a snails pace, and he became more adapt at playing on the wing than upfront.

Fast forward 3 years, and he looks like a player who doesn't have a position, who panics infront of goal

The bottom line is if you want a player to progress, the need game time in there, good coaching and patience. You can just through a player who has been generally used as a winger for 3 years in a badly coached team, and expect him to suddenly become a lethal striker!
Pretty bang on I'd say. LVG was by all accounts overbearing and obsessive about telling his players what he wanted but that's what the younger guys need. We dominated possession but never really had that cutting edge with LVG, we had some damning stats about xG per game etc but it was a new system, we didn't have any top attackers anyway and for a young forward like Rashford, probably a very important education in how to operate in an advanced tactical setup. Whatever your thoughts on LVG, he knew the game inside out and was always trying to teach players.

Now it's just 'Rashy, play on the shoulder and use your pace' which I imagine was similar to how he's played all his life, given his pace.
 

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All this “Rashy” love-in from Ole has gotten to his head. He believes all the hype and thinks he is the next CR7 or Mbappe, when he clearly isn’t. He needs to keep humble, working hard and for the team, instead of expecting the team to play for him.