Is it time to burst “Rashy’s” bubble?

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I maintain his technique is very poor. Especially his dribbling. He can only hit and run. In any sort of tight space he cannot manipulate the ball through defenders or even to find space for a penetrating pass. Don't just watch his highlight videos, which feature few and far between successes such as his skill move to pass to Pogba last season.

In terms of receiving the ball and touching it into a good shooting position (think of Van Persie) he is terrible.

In terms of running with the ball without having to look down, he is very bad. When he looks up he often gets the ball jumbled at his feet.

In terms of dribbling with the ball close to his feet so he can do a simple shoulder drop and change direction he is bad. He often has to push the ball way forward past
the defender which results in him running the ball out of play.

I agree that the one area he is technically proficient is his striking of the ball.

Other than that, mediocre technically. Don't even get me started on heading and passing technique and game IQ.
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Greenwood has as many open play goals for us in a week as our main man Rashy has in 6 months.
 

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Greenwood has as many open play goals for us in a week as our main man Rashy has in 6 months.
Another damning stat!
 

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https://www.redcafe.net/threads/united-hour-the-falsest-nine-of-all.450821/#post-24748417

If you're interested in hearing our thoughts on Rashford*, feel free to give this episode a listen for a heated debate!

*Think its around 45 mins mark..

I 100% agree with the Rashford vs Ronaldo debut thing. Rashfords goals against Arsenal was nothing like Ronaldo's debut or first season.

He needs to simplify his game. He isn't a Ronaldo level player. Playing towards your limitations is actually very smart.
 

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Been saying it for a long time, he is as average as they come. Just madness that our clueless board coughed up 250k/week contract for this guy.
 

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And people need to stop with the CR comparisons.CR, messi, neymar, mbappe, even rooney, they are once in a generation type of talents. Rashford along with his buddy JLingz need to get kicked out of the club ASAP.
 

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Been saying it for a long time, he is as average as they come. Just madness that our clueless board coughed up 250k/week contract for this guy.
Where did you come with this 250k? He is up to 200k including bonuses, which mean he can be on 150k or even less.
 

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And people need to stop with the CR comparisons.CR, messi, neymar, mbappe, even rooney, they are once in a generation type of talents. Rashford along with his buddy JLingz need to get kicked out of the club ASAP.
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And people need to stop with the CR comparisons.CR, messi, neymar, mbappe, even rooney, they are once in a generation type of talents. Rashford along with his buddy JLingz need to get kicked out of the club ASAP.
JLingz yes, there are other horrible players in the club who is worst than him. Not sensible to keep mata, young, matic rojo and co while kicking rashy out yet. He still may prove to be a decent back up, needs massive massive butt kick in the form of major competition though.
 

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Suppose i'll just have to get used to this stream of premature and inconsiderate posts and threads about Marcus Rashford.
He's 21 has played over 100 games for us and has 34 caps for England. Rashford has been under ridiculous pressure and expectations because of how explosive his debut season was and that hasnt changed 4 years later.
Rashford has shown a number of qualities that even in his first game were at such a high level especially for his age and being at a huge club at Utd the hype was inevitable. Young players need games to really grow and improve and that it a tough ask for young players these days especially at huge clubs like Utd and Rashford has been a constant in our team competing with the likes of Ibra and Lukaku.

Of course our club is struggling and has struggled for the last few seasons and consistency has been almost non existent and every player has had their moments good and bad. Rashford is currently in a bit of a slump that this season being 1 of only 2 first team strikers is a bigger issue than if we had a couple more forward options but I find it crazy that he is being wrote off and put down so quickly.

As fans we are the biggest influence on the atmosphere at the club and of course there are alot problems that need to be addressed and we're right to voice our concerns but to be putting down a local lad who has his whole career in front of him, loves the club and we're finding it difficult to get behind him, encourage him and believe in the player and the person.


That said his recent performances have been disappointing and with alot more responsibility this season we need Marcus to show more consistency and the main issue is his finishing. People forget his debut season goals and early goals when saying he cant finish and won't make it as a top striker and in my opinion his finishing seems to have been neglected in favor of working on his set pieces and physique which I know he will find his scoring boots again and I think if he can add consistent finishing to his current game then he has everything needed to be a top striker. Movement, Pace, Skill and still only 21 years old.
 

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The problem is he has too much confidence in his mediocre talent.

Please stop with the trite old stuff about local lad, loves the club, desire, and all manner of excuses for this guy.

Beyond attitude, age, and what not, the real issue is that he isn't good enough, and lacking natural talent is unlikely to ever be good enough.

With humility he could maybe become a decent back up, but without...
 

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No. He's 21. With proper coaching and god man management he can be a very good striker for us. Just stop expecting that he'll be as good as Mbappé. He's not in that category.
 

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https://www.redcafe.net/threads/united-hour-the-falsest-nine-of-all.450821/#post-24748417

If you're interested in hearing our thoughts on Rashford*, feel free to give this episode a listen for a heated debate!

*Think its around 45 mins mark..
Nice. Will give this a listen.

Of course our club is struggling and has struggled for the last few seasons and consistency has been almost non existent and every player has had their moments good and bad. Rashford is currently in a bit of a slump that this season being 1 of only 2 first team strikers is a bigger issue than if we had a couple more forward options but I find it crazy that he is being wrote off and put down so quickly.
I get where you're coming from and the criticism of Rashford can turn into character assassination and go way overboard. My problem is I've watched most United games over the last few seasons and in my opinion this 'slump' of Rashford's takes place over the majority of the games I've seen him play for us. People talk about the PSG penalty etc. but the fact is that he was absolutely awful in that game, misplacing simple passes, constantly losing the ball. He had a purple patch in January of last year where he won player of the month and genuinely looked on course to be a world beater again, but this is the exception not the norm.

If you go over my posting history, I feel like I'm very fair about Rashford. Was as excited about him as a prospect as anyone when he burst onto the scene, after the Liverpool brace etc. (I did use the term 'Trashbonglahor' once but only because I got a bit irked by how snowflakey many posters are about any criticism of him at all). I don't ignore his good performances and comment if he's played well. But the fact is these moments of magic are extremely rare and it's little coincidence that placing our faith in him as our, or one of our, main attackers is coinciding with a slide down the table.

I blame the management of the player first and foremost over Rashford himself. He needs to be in a role with clear instructions and a defined way of playing, which I think he'd be very good at. But left to his own devices, and encouraged to believe he is some elite level forward who can singlehandedly win games is not working out. I do believe the hype has gone to his head a bit. So many people obviously think this now and comment on it. There's that saying 'there's no smoke without fire'.
 

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Nice. Will give this a listen.



I get where you're coming from and the criticism of Rashford can turn into character assassination and go way overboard. My problem is I've watched most United games over the last few seasons and in my opinion this 'slump' of Rashford's takes place over the majority of the games I've seen him play for us. People talk about the PSG penalty etc. but the fact is that he was absolutely awful in that game, misplacing simple passes, constantly losing the ball. He had a purple patch in January of last year where he won player of the month and genuinely looked on course to be a world beater again, but this is the exception not the norm.

If you go over my posting history, I feel like I'm very fair about Rashford. Was as excited about him as a prospect as anyone when he burst onto the scene, after the Liverpool brace etc. (I did use the term 'Trashbonglahor' once but only because I got a bit irked by how snowflakey many posters are about any criticism of him at all). I don't ignore his good performances and comment if he's played well. But the fact is these moments of magic are extremely rare and it's little coincidence that placing our faith in him as our, or one of our, main attackers is coinciding with a slide down the table.

I blame the management of the player first and foremost over Rashford himself. He needs to be in a role with clear instructions and a defined way of playing, which I think he'd be very good at. But left to his own devices, and encouraged to believe he is some elite level forward who can singlehandedly win games is not working out. I do believe the hype has gone to his head a bit. So many people obviously think this now and comment on it. There's that saying 'there's no smoke without fire'.
Great post. I must concede I have been too vociferous at times in my criticism of Rashford. I maintain he is a poor player lacking ability, but he does not deserve personal attacks. The criticism on his “bling” and lifestyle sometimes smacks of subtle racism imo.

Another great point regarding his overall lack of performance throughout seasons. He just isn’t good enough on the ball even when he isn’t in a slump, which is evident in misplaced passes,touches, and turnovers.

Finally, yes Rashford would benefit from more defined instructions. He and Ole need to embrace his skill limitations, and rather than letting him “express himself” on the pitch with ridiculous flicks and long range shots into the stands, should be instructed in proper movement, simple passing patterns, and receiving the ball in a shooting position. Defensively, he should be taught to press in an effocient manner.

I really regret that he and his agent pressed for such a high contract.

It is going to be impossible to sell him, and loans would require a very high copayment agreement. Our management is so incredibly reactionary in its decisions.
 

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Would anyone be averse to seeing Rashford in the 10 role? Looking over at Son, he's shining playing just off Kane.

I recall in Sons first couple of years he had the same errors in that he was horribly selfish and often inconsistent. Was almost sold and Spurs will be counting themselves lucky they never sold him in the end!

Not saying Rashford can be like Son but I feel in a 10 we can still leverage from his tracking back, his ability to take a couple of shots on without getting frustrated and also keeping options in a natural striker up top like Martial. It frees him from the burden of being the sole man up top and he may interlink well with others better in that role.

I mean, Mata Pereira and Lingard aren't working in a 10, Pogba is needed deeper apparently, so would anyone be averse to seeing a front 3 of:

James, Martial, Greenwood

With Rashford operating just behind them?
 

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Nice. Will give this a listen.



I get where you're coming from and the criticism of Rashford can turn into character assassination and go way overboard. My problem is I've watched most United games over the last few seasons and in my opinion this 'slump' of Rashford's takes place over the majority of the games I've seen him play for us. People talk about the PSG penalty etc. but the fact is that he was absolutely awful in that game, misplacing simple passes, constantly losing the ball. He had a purple patch in January of last year where he won player of the month and genuinely looked on course to be a world beater again, but this is the exception not the norm.

If you go over my posting history, I feel like I'm very fair about Rashford. Was as excited about him as a prospect as anyone when he burst onto the scene, after the Liverpool brace etc. (I did use the term 'Trashbonglahor' once but only because I got a bit irked by how snowflakey many posters are about any criticism of him at all). I don't ignore his good performances and comment if he's played well. But the fact is these moments of magic are extremely rare and it's little coincidence that placing our faith in him as our, or one of our, main attackers is coinciding with a slide down the table.

I blame the management of the player first and foremost over Rashford himself. He needs to be in a role with clear instructions and a defined way of playing, which I think he'd be very good at. But left to his own devices, and encouraged to believe he is some elite level forward who can singlehandedly win games is not working out. I do believe the hype has gone to his head a bit. So many people obviously think this now and comment on it. There's that saying 'there's no smoke without fire'.
I agree with you on how he is regularly the most frustrating player on the field in games and usually his mistakes and misses that would decide the game and I understand peoples outbursts for that reason but I prefer to post positively especially on our players as whats the points in being negative theirs enough negativity already around the club.

He's 21 and he's nowhere near his prime if he's like this in 5-6 years time id be a bit more passive and people completely writing him off as a player and saying to sell him are idiotic.
How many young players don't have a rough patch?

When he burst onto the scene every football fan in the world was hyping up to be the next Utd and English hero not one adjective was spared for the next golden boy, 4 years later he's being slated for not being a World Class striker yet. They'll be the same people praising him when he scores a winner and celebrates in the crowd with us.
 
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Would anyone be averse to seeing Rashford in the 10 role? Looking over at Son, he's shining playing just off Kane.

I recall in Sons first couple of years he had the same errors in that he was horribly selfish and often inconsistent. Was almost sold and Spurs will be counting themselves lucky they never sold him in the end!

Not saying Rashford can be like Son but I feel in a 10 we can still leverage from his tracking back, his ability to take a couple of shots on without getting frustrated and also keeping options in a natural striker up top like Martial. It frees him from the burden of being the sole man up top and he may interlink well with others better in that role.

I mean, Mata Pereira and Lingard aren't working in a 10, Pogba is needed deeper apparently, so would anyone be averse to seeing a front 3 of:

James, Martial, Greenwood

With Rashford operating just behind them?
Rashford doesn't have attributes to play as 10, I struggle to name even one attribute that makes him a good 10.

#10 more often than not are playmakers, they should have very good eye for pass, composure and patience on the ball. They should see the full picture of what's going on around. Rashford doesn't have any of the attributes, he is more suited to wing role or striker role where he can use his pace and also end up with more 1v1 situations with defender.
 

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I think we should just bite the bullet and play 4-4-2.

Rashford & Martial upfront, James LW, Dalot RW. Pogba & McTominay in the middle.
 

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I actually think Rashford had all the natural attributes to be a number 9. If you watch back when he first made his start for us he was everywhere in the box trying to sniff out opportunities where possible. Gaal gave him one job, stay in the lines and hug the box. He did it and scored a few in his first 3 months as a pro. The problem came when Jose came in, he shunted him to the wing and his role changed again. For a few years he would play and then not play despite playing good or bad. It was the first signs of confidence being destroyed. Then came the pressure from the press to play him more despite Jose being right in saying he already plays a lot. I think then the expectation of Rashford exploded and he started to do too much rather than keep it simple and make simple thoughts, something Gaal taught him to do. Now Ole has come in and told rashy he needs to be a fox in the box but at the same time telling the world Greenwood is the best natural finisher he has ever seen. The expectations of Rashford also rose again when he signed a new contract! I think he has all the talent to play the 9 role but i think the boy is confused. No direction and i do not think it is fixable it may be too late.
 

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Rashford doesn't have attributes to play as 10, I struggle to name even one attribute that makes him a good 10.

#10 more often than not are playmakers, they should have very good eye for pass, composure and patience on the ball. They should see the full picture of what's going on around. Rashford doesn't have any of the attributes, he is more suited to wing role or striker role where he can use his pace and also end up with more 1v1 situations with defender.
I agree, but his ability to overlap with the striker, work rate to track back, decent enough shot from range and willingness to dribble through players in my opinion makes him a better punt than what we've seen so far.

Agreed his best role really is wide but I wouldn't be against seeing him tested in the 10. James is better on the left anyway.
 

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Rashford doesn't have attributes to play as 10, I struggle to name even one attribute that makes him a good 10.

#10 more often than not are playmakers, they should have very good eye for pass, composure and patience on the ball. They should see the full picture of what's going on around. Rashford doesn't have any of the attributes, he is more suited to wing role or striker role where he can use his pace and also end up with more 1v1 situations with defender.


This, even worse fit than to be leading centre forward.
 

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I agree, but his ability to overlap with the striker, work rate to track back, decent enough shot from range and willingness to dribble through players in my opinion makes him a better punt than what we've seen so far.

Agreed his best role really is wide but I wouldn't be against seeing him tested in the 10. James is better on the left anyway.
Yeah, not playing anyone in the #10 role is better than playing Lingard and Mata. Wouldn't mind him playing as 10, we should try all the combinations.
 

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I personally think its the Jlingz influence that has let his performances down. It's a wide speculation but that's my opinion anyway. Like a few of you have said here, when he started he was all over the pitch, making runs, and all the good stuff. Lately he has been mediocre at best. I remember SAF getting a tighter grip on players both on and off the pitch. Our Manager needs to do the same with all the players.
 

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Yeah, not playing anyone in the #10 role is better than playing Lingard and Mata. Wouldn't mind him playing as 10, we should try all the combinations.
It's not trying all combinations for the sake of it. He has a skillset that can be useful just behind the striker. I reckon he'd be better there than being the main striker anyway.
 

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Would anyone be averse to seeing Rashford in the 10 role? Looking over at Son, he's shining playing just off Kane.

I recall in Sons first couple of years he had the same errors in that he was horribly selfish and often inconsistent. Was almost sold and Spurs will be counting themselves lucky they never sold him in the end!

Not saying Rashford can be like Son but I feel in a 10 we can still leverage from his tracking back, his ability to take a couple of shots on without getting frustrated and also keeping options in a natural striker up top like Martial. It frees him from the burden of being the sole man up top and he may interlink well with others better in that role.

I mean, Mata Pereira and Lingard aren't working in a 10, Pogba is needed deeper apparently, so would anyone be averse to seeing a front 3 of:

James, Martial, Greenwood

With Rashford operating just behind them?
I agree with you and it's at least worth a shot. He played at #10 in the youth teams mostly and i've long said his ability to pick a pass - when the play's in front of him - is underrated. I've seen him pick defence unpicking passes a number of times but usually from an inside left position. It's in tight spaces and when he runs with his head down that he's a bit of a liability, alongside his unconfident finishing. His worst position for me is #9 where he is absolutely toothless, not gambling on crosses or showing any predatory instinct alongside poor hold up play, poor finishing and zero aerial threat. He makes good runs in behind and that's the only thing he offers at #9. It's #10 or LW for me. Someone should make it his job and main priority to create chances because i got a strong feeling he's much better at this than finishing them. He could also run the channels occasionally as a #10, his crossing has potential to be genuinely world class, as well as shots from range.
 

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I agree with you and it's at least worth a shot. He played at #10 in the youth teams mostly and i've long said his ability to pick a pass - when the play's in front of him - is underrated. I've seen him pick defence unpicking passes a number of times but usually from an inside left position. It's in tight spaces and when he runs with his head down that he's a bit of a liability, alongside his unconfident finishing. His worst position for me is #9 where he is absolutely toothless, not gambling on crosses or showing any predatory instinct alongside poor hold up play, poor finishing and zero aerial threat. He makes good runs in behind and that's the only thing he offers at #9. It's #10 or LW for me. Someone should make it his job and main priority to create chances because i got a strong feeling he's much better at this than finishing them. He could also run the channels occasionally as a #10, his crossing has potential to be genuinely world class, as well as shots from range.
I agree. I never knew he played some games as a 10 in his youth games. He def has a pass in him, but you're right only when facing the goal. Otherwise with his back to goal it can be too many flicks and hasty passes.
 

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It's not trying all combinations for the sake of it. He has a skillset that can be useful just behind the striker. I reckon he'd be better there than being the main striker anyway.
Yeah its worth trying considering what we have but don't see how he can play better there considering he has changed his game to use his pace a lot.
 

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I really don't know why we're playing a #10 when we don't have top class CAM or play through the #10 thats playing. It was the same with Mourinho we just never had any success playing with since Cantona.
The key factor of the formation we should use is the need for us to actually play our best player Pogba where he is most influential and we all know thats left of a 3.
4-3-3 allows that and I think Ole just doesnt trust Matic, Fred or Perriera to play alongside Mct and Pogba but that has meant playing Pogba in the pivot which is such a waste.
Also would like to throw out the wildcard that maybe give Dalot a game at RW hes a good crosser has pace, strength and likes to take on his man.
 

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I'm all for criticizing constructively but there are many posts who are too harsh on Rashford. He is a kid, that's a fact. If our club is putting too much pressure then the blame is on them. He needs to improve a lot though
 

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I'm all for criticizing constructively but there are many posts who are too harsh on Rashford. He is a kid, that's a fact. If our club is putting too much pressure then the blame is on them. He needs to improve a lot though
Yeah he needs to do better but he shouldn’t be written off, he’s demonstrated enough that the talent is there, it’s all about putting it together consistently.
 

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Now I dont actually like these two pr*cks. But can I just say - Whoever is taking those corners does a damn site better job than our team. Sign that person up
The 'May 4' shirt on one of the lads. :lol: David May still gatecrashing CL celebrations 20 years on.
 

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No. He's 21. With proper coaching and god man management he can be a very good striker for us. Just stop expecting that he'll be as good as Mbappé. He's not in that category.
This is basically how I feel. He also doesn't need the pressure he currently has on him, the club has done him dirty putting so mucho on his shoulders too soon.
 

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The arrogance and delusion it takes to shoot from that angle on the FK... I'm lost for words, he's being enabled to act like a dickhead during games. This has nothing to do with age, it has nothing to do with experience. My 15 years old cousin knew it wasn't wise to shoot from there.
 

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The arrogance and delusion it takes to shoot from that angle on the FK... I'm lost for words, he's being enabled to act like a dickhead during games. This has nothing to do with age, it has nothing to do with experience. My 15 years old cousin knew it wasn't wise to shoot from there.
Unless you are a absolute specialist you shouldnt take a free kick from there... Rashford isnt a specialist.

 

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The arrogance and delusion it takes to shoot from that angle on the FK... I'm lost for words, he's being enabled to act like a dickhead during games. This has nothing to do with age, it has nothing to do with experience. My 15 years old cousin knew it wasn't wise to shoot from there.
This and this again and again.