Is it time to burst “Rashy’s” bubble?

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Well, Rashford has to be starting to live up to his own expectations or he will implode before our eyes.

He seems to think very highly of himself, which I to some degree like, as long as it doesn't result in bad decisionmaking in regards to passing instead of shooting.

He needs to work on his overall athleticism, upper leg strength for direction changes balance to not fall down all the time.

I guess he still could go on a good spell but he really needs to be more synergetic with the team and give something back to raise others. Now I feel like he is this island that runs around on the pitch and he is not getting integrated enough in the team play, always a selfish first choice to regard before looking for a pass.
 

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No, I want a striker in their prime and not be some development club. Under Fergie we used to always have 4 very good strikers.

Striker is not a position you want to play development unless you got someone world class at a young level like Rooney was for us.

And his free kicks are terrible. Not sure how anybody can defend those? No, people want him to hit the target with one.
Forward is the best and easiest position to develop young players. If you are not comfortable watching Young players develop, I’m sorry, this club is not for you.
 

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Forward is the best and easiest position to develop young players. If you are not comfortable watching Young players develop, I’m sorry, this club is not for you.
How many young forwards did Fergie develop?

Don’t say Ronaldo because he wasn’t played as forward. Rooney was bought and at times played on the wing or played behind someone with experience. Welbeck was played on the wing a lot.

So Fergie didn’t mess around in that position and no it isn’t the easiest position to develop. It’s the hardest position on the pitch if you actually played football.
 

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Do you want him to get better or not? Making mistakes is part of the learning process, especially for someone who's 21. Do you think the likes of Zlatan was born a leading CF? Why don't we just allow Rashford the time and support he needs to be a better player instead of desperately trying to write him off all the time?
The line between support and delusion is thin. I've never bashed him, merely pointing out observations.
 

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He’s still a kid ffs!

He’ll be a very good player you kneejerk cnuts.

As described by others shouldn't be any where near to being the main striker at the club with his current goal return.
No wonder we are so off the pace with the amount of goals scored again.
Oh to the days have having four strikers at the club.
His end game is no where near to the level of a striker at a club like ours, look what we are were used to in the past a young rooney, ibra, berbatov, tevez, solskaer, sheringham, ronaldo, rvp, rvn, yorke, cole and saha.
No where near the quality of an emerging rooney or Ronaldo when they to were breaking though. Too much media hype for glimpses of a proper player.
The talk of 300,000 a week the club must be deluded and that is the underlying problem we have of paying too much for average.
 

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How many young forwards did Fergie develop?

Don’t say Ronaldo because he wasn’t played as forward. Rooney was bought and at times played on the wing or played behind someone with experience. Welbeck was played on the wing a lot.

So Fergie didn’t mess around in that position and no it isn’t the easiest position to develop. It’s the hardest position on the pitch if you actually played football.
No one with Rashford quality came through the academy during Fergie time. Welbeck was not good enough, that’s why he played on the wings frequently. If Fergie had Rashford he will definitely bring him through as a center forward.

The responsibility to score should not be on Rashford anyways, this club have spent over £140M on strikers in the last few years.

And Ronaldo kept getting the freekicks even though he was sending them to Row Z until he got better.
 

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I think part of the fault could lie with Ole as well. Ole seems to be a manager that focuses on building his players confidence. He has said right from day 1 that this group of players has the ability to win competitions. His managerial style is the exact opposite of Jose's and abit similar to SAF. Even when we lost, Ole has always said the important thing was to maintain the belief that we can bounce back.

I think this method works very well for youth competitions where the pressure is off and if you play the way Rashford is playing now, you would be receiving compliments week in week out for being exciting and daring to take on defenders and shooting from range. But this is a problem in the big competitions where players are expected to hit the ground running, where there is no room for even 1 mistake.

People tend to forget how young Rashy is, for him to be a top striker at the club, he needs Ole to be there for the long term and also someone that he can learn from and take the pressure of him. He could have reach the top faster if LVG was still in charge but his development was hugely hindered by Jose not trusting him to lead the line. CR7 and Rooney, albeit with all the talent they had, were lucky they had SAF as a manager for at least 5 years. They also had top players around them when they were at the club (VDS, Neville, Ferdy, Keano, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney, CR7, Tevez, RVN). Even if one of them had an off day, there was always someone else who would step up to ensure we got the result. The only player in our squad that seems capable of doing that now would be Pogba, but he is by far too inconsistent. Rashy has unlimited potential and it could be the case where Ole's instructions to him was to enjoy his football at such a young age, and that's why he looks selfish and his shots seems too wasteful.

Take a look at the top young players in the world, they all have teammates who would step up for them.
Sancho > Gotze, Reus
Mbappe > Cavani, Neymar
Jesus, Sane, Sterling > Aguero, De Bruyne
Dembele > Messi, Suarez

For those who are saying Rashy does not deserve 300k a week, this all happened because of Ed breaking the wage structure to sign Sanchez. In hindsight, he probably shouldn't have done it but it was to prevent Sanchez from going to City. At that time, we were considered the main challengers to City and if Sanchez went there, City would be too far ahead. But now it doesn't seem to matter anymore even if he had went to City. I would gladly pay Rashy 300k a week for the next 5-6 years than risk losing him to one of the bigger clubs like Barca where you know it will probably come back and bite us in the ass.
 
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We really do have the most reactionary, ready-to-turn-on-one-of-our-own fan base these days.

Rash has an incredible work rate, a great right foot, and has scored some fantastic goals in key games for us over 3 seasons as a bloody teenager. Give him a break if he's having a rough patch.

Yeah he's not worth 300k a week for sure, but a pacier Danny Welbeck?! Ffs give him some time
 

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This thread is everything what is wrong with a United fan these days.
 

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This place is beyond stupid somtimes.

He's 21. He pays like a 21 year old. A very talented one...there's been zero evidence of him having any hint of attitude or workrate problem and he's mostly been very good since Ole took over, and won us what, 5-6 games in that time? He'll have around 15 goals by the end of the season and I'm not sure how many 21 year olds there are in the world who'd do that in our team.

I think he's one of the best assets we've got. Every year on here it's like people pick one of our players at random to just pick on every time they play poorly and ignore completely whenever they play well. Ronaldo at Rashford's age played terribly half the time and there were people on here demanding we sell him. It got boring a long time ago.
You're spot on. This place is absolutely pathetic.
 

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This place is absolutely pathetic at times.


Some people need to give their head a wobble.



Some of the posts read like people where drunk and emotional writing their views :lol:
 
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To be expected from a 21-year old; I think he's talented and definitely has his place in this United side. He's not better or worse than Jesus for example (they're the same age), but the big difference between them is that Rashford is asked to lead the line for nigh on all year while Jesus can develop behind a world-class striker like Aguero without much pressure - not being the first choice striker at 21 immediately gives you a lot more leeway with the fans as well.
 

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Not true I'm afraid.

6 months or so after his 21st birthday Ronaldo was just about to kick on.

He had just finished the 2005/2006 season with 12 goals in 47 and Rashford's current tally is slightly better at 13 in less games (40).

The following year was when Ronaldo upped his game considerably with 23 goals in 53 which led on to the the 42 goal season.
He 'upped' his game in his first season as a twenty-one year old. Rashford turned twenty-one at the start of the season, it's pretty much the same thing.

Besides, before that season, Ronaldo had already been selected in premier league, european championship and UEFA 'team of the year' selections; and finished 12th and 20th in the Balon d'Or. He was levels above.
 

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Observations about his game are warranted and are part of the package for top players.

But to write Marcus Rashford off as a potential top striker for United is daft. The guy has the world at his feet. Let's just support him.

He was described as the ''Crown Jewel' and that is a perfect description.

He needs guidance and coaching. Is that so bad?

Of course we need to improve the quality throughout the squad. But Rashford is both a tremendous talent... And is a key representation of all that is good about Manchester United FC. We should be proud of that, the work of Nicky Butt and the Academy.
 

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To be expected from a 21-year old; I think he's talented and definitely has his place in this United side. He's not better or worse than Jesus for example (they're the same age), but the big difference between them is that Rashford is asked to lead the line for nigh on all year while Jesus can develop behind a world-class striker like Aguero without much pressure - not being the first choice striker at 21 immediately gives you a lot more leeway with the fans as well.
It's a sad day when a Liverpool fan has more objectivity and sense about an United player than the majority of United fans.
 

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I remember those days Ronaldo will have 150 shots, 5 on target and zero goals. United fans cried and whine for him to be benched. The media back it up and he was compared to Robben who was a more complete player at similar age.

I guess fans will never change.
 

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A lot did point out how bad he was in that game too. He's been rubbish for a while if we're bring honest.
He's been poor since the Liverpool game, no getting away from that but to question the lads character based on him trying his absolute best to force the issue is uncalled for. He's 21 and only doing what the manager is asking him to do, even though he's never done it before now. Great forwards aren't born, they're made. People need to show some patience for once in their lives.
 

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He's been poor since the Liverpool game, no getting away from that but to question the lads character based on him trying his absolute best to force the issue is uncalled for. He's 21 and only doing what the manager is asking him to do, even though he's never done it before now. Great forwards aren't born, they're made. People need to show some patience for once in their lives.
He's been half injured since then and still has 3 goals in last five matches plus also created our best chance yesterday. Yes he deserves criticism but to question his attitude is simply pathetic.

Also special shout out to the clowns who are using a Mirror report to attack him.
 

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Think Rashford's main problem is a mental one. He wants to impress and play like a world beater but is not ready for that. He's nowhere near C. Ronaldo's level of talent. Can become a top striker, maybe not a top 5 in the world or something. But he needs to realise his limitations and the OP post while putting it in a questionable manner has a point. Once Rashford stops trying to emulate Ronaldo or some other legend of the game and understands that he has to improve a lot, he might make significant progress.
 

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He's been half injured since then and still has 3 goals in last five matches plus also created our best chance yesterday. Yes he deserves criticism but to question his attitude is simply pathetic.

Also special shout out to the clowns who are using a Mirror report to attack him.
Exactly, no one knows how bad that ankle is or how fit he currently is. His return is great for a striker of his age and experience, I guess in a way, it's a complement that people expect him to be scoring 30+ goals a season or bagging hat tricks against the likes of Barcelona.

He's done absolutely nothing to have his attitude questioned though, but then again, do I expect anymore? After all, he's a young, black English player and we see this time and time again.
 

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To be expected from a 21-year old; I think he's talented and definitely has his place in this United side. He's not better or worse than Jesus for example (they're the same age), but the big difference between them is that Rashford is asked to lead the line for nigh on all year while Jesus can develop behind a world-class striker like Aguero without much pressure - not being the first choice striker at 21 immediately gives you a lot more leeway with the fans as well.
My thoughts also. You nailed it. Top class striker and young striker is the best way to develop young striker. If we enter with him as first option striker in next season, we will ruin him. He needs to be second option to top class striker or play as second striker without pressure that he must score 20-30 goals and decide games. And we are doing just that. Give the ball to Rashford, he is our main man. Too much responsibility for young striker. Especially in club which must chase titles.
 

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This place is beyond stupid somtimes.

He's 21. He pays like a 21 year old. A very talented one...there's been zero evidence of him having any hint of attitude or workrate problem and he's mostly been very good since Ole took over, and won us what, 5-6 games in that time? He'll have around 15 goals by the end of the season and I'm not sure how many 21 year olds there are in the world who'd do that in our team.

I think he's one of the best assets we've got. Every year on here it's like people pick one of our players at random to just pick on every time they play poorly and ignore completely whenever they play well. Ronaldo at Rashford's age played terribly half the time and there were people on here demanding we sell him. It got boring a long time ago.
Good post, yeah he's a quality player - need to remember he's 21.

Problem for Utd is that by rights he should be 2nd choice, he's not mature enough to lead the line consistently yet, personally I'd be looking at Lukaku - he's the one that should be scoring consistently, he isn't which is why Rashford has had to carry the mantle.
 

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He's still learning the game. It's not unheard of for a 21 year old to make poor decisions in game.

I don't think his talent will ever take him to the highest level where he is comparable to Rooney for example, but he can definitely be a very good player for us. Patience is required.
 

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I think AF would have benched him in a kind way and given him a break, don't think he would have accepted so many missed chances, look what happened to forlan. Ideally we need an experienced striker who could show rashford the way, someone he could learn from, his finishing is good at time but most times not upto standard should be scoring a lot more than he has.

AF did similar with Andy cole took him in and out of the team and eased him back in when he wasn't quite right.
 

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No one with Rashford quality came through the academy during Fergie time. Welbeck was not good enough, that’s why he played on the wings frequently. If Fergie had Rashford he will definitely bring him through as a center forward.

The responsibility to score should not be on Rashford anyways, this club have spent over £140M on strikers in the last few years.

And Ronaldo kept getting the freekicks even though he was sending them to Row Z until he got better.
£140m?

Why do you keep bringing Ronaldo into this? Stop comparing him to Ronaldo ffs. You did it in a post below too. Not everybody goes the development of Ronaldo, so I don’t know why you keep comparing the two. Ronaldo is a one in a million type player. There won’t be another player like him for probably decades. Just because Ronaldo missed free kicks about 15 years ago doesn’t make it ok Rashford balloons them over too. Ronaldo has always been selfish at free kicks even at Madrid and has received a lot of stick for it even when he was banging goals.

Also Fergie was ruthless when it came to strikers. He benched Sheringham after one season for Yorke. Got rid of Cole for RVN and then got rid of RVN for Saha. That was the position he did not feck around with. He demanded that his strikers score goals and lots of them. If they didn’t or weren’t good enough they’d be benched or be out.
 
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He did more than Lukaku.

Rash keeps tryibg which is good, he's doesn't hide after making a mistake. He is a top youngster but isn't being protected enough lately

United's squad is so shit we're relying on a 21 year old with no experience to carry us against Barcelona!

Got to cut him some slack and also give him more rest time - he's been playing while carrying injuries tbf too
 

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Him and Martial being so inconsistent is one of the reasons we yo-yo in results so much. Both really need to improve that going forward.
 

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Arrogant. Egotistical. Full of himself.

Anyone using phrases like these to describe Rashford is a clown.

Do people really think he’s allowed to shoot against the manager’s wishes? Do people think Ole is sitting in the dugout going “this boys ego is too big, he shoots too much, he dribbles too much” - and then not doing anything about it?

Fully grown men comparing a 21 year old to Messi, Ronaldo and Mbappe - the peak players of a generation.

You people are ridiculous.