Is Jadon Sancho really worth the 100 plus million fee?

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What’s Rashford worth if Sancho is a €120m player? 200m? I mean Rashford is one or two levels above Sancho tbf.
 

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Is he really worth 100 million?

The guy has so many quiet games outside the Bundesliga.
Yes but we often forget that these are just very young players. Cristiano had more bad games than good ones at the age of 20. It takes time to perform consistently elite level. Sancho certainly carries that potential. He is certainly worth more than 100 Million plus fee.
 

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He's going to make sure Dortmund regret not selling him isn't he :lol:
 

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He's going to make sure Dortmund regret not selling him isn't he :lol:
Hope so! Would be great to see Dortmund getting seriously stung :lol: Think it's safe to say that their £108 million asking price will NEVER be met now, that much is certain. The only question now is how much less will they end up selling for.
 

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We have to be careful falling for some of these prices. Sancho is good but in moments. He doesn't dominate a whole game and Dortmund were hoping we fell for the valuation but United owners have wisened up having overpaid for Pogba and Maguire.
Rashford is worth more being a striker and the fact that Sancho is a winger and he's not a natural athlete. There are many players who can give you the same production for half the price or less.
 

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Is he really worth 100 million?

The guy has so many quiet games outside the Bundesliga.
I need him to convince me still. The only time I watch him is these types of games and for my country and I never see what the hype is about. That said, my mate who supports spurs has the same problem with Neymar, albeit he has only seen a couple of games.
 

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He's always looked pretty meh whenever I've watched him for England or for Dortmund in the Champions League.
 

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1 assist in 4 games, will be interesting to see how his season progresses.
Yeah very interesting. Time and time again we see an overly hyped player start to look much less appealing not long after.

He’ll probably still be good, but I doubt he’ll be 120m good.
 

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Hope so! Would be great to see Dortmund getting seriously stung :lol: Think it's safe to say that their £108 million asking price will NEVER be met now, that much is certain. The only question now is how much less will they end up selling for.
That would be beautiful.

Would wipe the smug, greedy, shit-eating grin that they've had on all summer right off their faces.

The pressure will be on Sancho as well to prove this season that he is a £100 million+ player.
 

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Might be wrong but he really wanted this move. I know it's early part in the season but he doesn't look up for it like last season. Can't see any team paying 100 plus for him.
 

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Sancho was probably his team's second best player after Haaland against Lazio. The team as a whole and Sancho in particular is really missing Hakimi, because Favre has not found the necessary adjustment yet to really make their attack work with Meunier.
 

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He's probably worth that much yeah, maybe even more. Question is though, was he worth that much to us, this season? To that I'm less sure, considering our lack of depth, and I'm actually glad we didn't make that gamble. The way I see it, we should address our most pressing concerns before we venture into the stars. I feel way more comfortable with the overall strength of our squad now at least, than I would have had we splashed it all on Sancho instead.
 

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Just a translation of the original story in Bild today


Heh, keeping an unhappy player at the club just to prove a point doesn't work out in the end does it...

Serves those arrogant Westphalians right
 
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This better be a joke.
How is that a joke? Rashford certainly is a better player currently than Sancho. Produced far more in big matches pretty consistently. And he’s English (which apparently adds a premium)
 

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And he’s English (which apparently adds a premium)
:houllier:

You must be trolling...You do know Sancho is English right?
 

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How is that a joke? Rashford certainly is a better player currently than Sancho. Produced far more in big matches pretty consistently. And he’s English (which apparently adds a premium)
And what is Sancho, Japanese ?
 

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Is that Dortmund then building the price up for us rather than what the player is worth?

I want him here, I always have due to his nationality and being a good player that can improve- but without these things there isnt that much that excites me about him.

CL games I've seen him as inconsistent as a 100 million pound player shouldn't be. There is nothing that enthralled me when seeing him for the National team. In the Bundesliga he looks like a good dribbler, a good crosser & short passer with the ability to score a tap in.

Theres a part of me that wants him but the more I see him the less I would be hurt if he didnt really join us.

As you said - say if we build a 442 diamond or a 352 - where exactly does he play?

If I had pick between Haaland & Sancho, I'd rather buy a striker like Haaland and have Greenwood play RW when necessary. (Also I personally think that after Rashford's injury that he wont be as consistent on the LW as he might be playing upfront).
If he rips the PL off, and is excellent in CL and for NT. I don't think he'd be price out at 100m anymore. Don't you think so?
For 100m, you get Felix, a good young player playing in Portuguese League.
 

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If he rips the PL off, and is excellent in CL and for NT. I don't think he'd be price out at 100m anymore. Don't you think so?
For 100m, you get Felix, a good young player playing in Portuguese League.
Nah, that was also a classic case of a very good player being hyped to ridiculous proportions. Also happened at a time when clubs were happy chucking money around. Post-covid, the real premium transfers will come down in value I think...unless your first name is Roman or Sheikh.
 

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Nah, that was also a classic case of a very good player being hyped to ridiculous proportions. Also happened at a time when clubs were happy chucking money around. Post-covid, the real premium transfers will come down in value I think...unless your first name is Roman or Sheikh.
Pre-COVID, Sancho would be 150m. Dembele was 140m, and that was about 3 years ago. Similar profile to Sancho, and not English.

The question is if he's worth 100m. I think, he's absolutely Yes. Whether we need to spend that much on him, that's a different question.
 
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Pre-COVID, Sancho would be 150m. Dembele was 140m, and that was about 3 years ago. Similar profile to Sancho, and not English.

The question is if he's worth 100m. I think, he's absolutely Yes. Whether we can afford it, or we need to spend that much on him, that's a different question.
Agree with pre-covid, as the over-inflated football cash bubble hadn't burst yet. Now though, I'm not so sure. He's worth is ultimately determined by how much the highest bidder will pay, and like I said, if it's not a sugar-daddy club or a state-owned one, 100m+ is unlikely imo. The again, I was probably saying the same thing before Dembele went for 140m, so who knows!
 

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Agree with pre-covid, as the over-inflated football cash bubble hadn't burst yet. Now though, I'm not so sure. He's worth is ultimately determined by how much the highest bidder will pay, and like I said, if it's not a sugar-daddy club or a state-owned one, 100m+ is unlikely imo. The again, I was probably saying the same thing before Dembele went for 140m, so who knows!
That's true. There aren't any big purchase outside the Roman or Shiek's teams. Although Clubs are still pricing their best players at high value. Villa set Grealish at 80m. And I don't think the likes of Leicester would lower their valuation on Madison, if anyone interested. We even hold our gun on 20m for Smalling (his fair value pre-Covid), and only let him go for 15m on last minute.
 

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That's true. There aren't any big purchase outside the Roman or Shiek's teams. Although Clubs are still pricing their best players at high value. Villa set Grealish at 80m. And I don't think the likes of Leicester would lower their valuation on Madison, if anyone interested. We even hold our gun on 20m for Smalling (his fair value pre-Covid), and only let him go for 15m on last minute.
The English clubs are such a weird anomaly at the moment though. Since that massive TV deal kicked in, the historically mid-table clubs don't need to sell as badly as before. The way I reason it is that for e.g. in Grealish's case, if the player isn't going to kick up a fuss to leave, Villa would happily quote an extortionate fee with a built in stupidity premium to put clubs off or for those willing to shell out the cash (sort of what happened with us and Maguire). Put Grealish in a team outside of the PL, and I wonder if he would still command an 80m price tag in the current climate (all hypothetical speculation of course!). What went on with Smalling's case though I don't know.
 

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Just a translation of the original story in Bild today


Heh, keeping an unhappy player at the club just to prove a point doesn't work out in the end does it...

Serves those arrogant Westphalians right
Crap start to their season, getting spanked in CL, and Sancho looking nothing like a £108m player.

Serves BVB right - they will never ever get the fee they could have gotten from us a few weeks ago ever again.
 

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For me Sancho is a good player in a VERY GOOD SYSTEM. Good players can look like great players if the system is good.
What that means is we will need good coaching and a definitive style of play if we want to go for him and get the best out of him. Without the system I will say he will look average
 

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Pre-COVID, Sancho would be 150m. Dembele was 140m, and that was about 3 years ago. Similar profile to Sancho, and not English.

The question is if he's worth 100m. I think, he's absolutely Yes. Whether we need to spend that much on him, that's a different question.
Disagree he's worth 150m pre-covid just because of Dembele. There's more to pricing targets than looking at one expensive transfer especially when said transfer was a flop. The general consensus is now that Barca overpaid. No one is using it as a metric to do their business unless they also want to get fleeced like barca.

We also aren't even that deep into the covid market. Teams haven't started posting those kinds of losses. The real covid market will be from next year when several months of BCD football starts to really stack up. In a real covid market dortmund would be the ones calling us up
 

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Disagree he's worth 150m pre-covid just because of Dembele. There's more to pricing targets than looking at one expensive transfer especially when said transfer was a flop. The general consensus is now that Barca overpaid. No one is using it as a metric to do their business unless they also want to get fleeced like barca.

We also aren't even that deep into the covid market. Teams haven't started posting those kinds of losses. The real covid market will be from next year when several months of BCD football starts to really stack up. In a real covid market dortmund would be the ones calling us up
How's so? Coutinho was 160m in 2018, Hazard was 100m with one year left to Madrid in 2019, Maguire was 80m in 2019, Pogba was 105m in 2016, etc. Flop event was the after transfer happened, then people deemed them "overpaid".
 
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For me Sancho is a good player in a VERY GOOD SYSTEM. Good players can look like great players if the system is good.
What that means is we will need good coaching and a definitive style of play if we want to go for him and get the best out of him. Without the system I will say he will look average
It's not a very good system because it relies on players to elevate it, he's probably suffering a lot due to their wingback situation. I remember @Adnan saying that having a less attack minded RWB may hinder him here too.
 

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For me Sancho is a good player in a VERY GOOD SYSTEM. Good players can look like great players if the system is good.
What that means is we will need good coaching and a definitive style of play if we want to go for him and get the best out of him. Without the system I will say he will look average
This is so true. Dortmund football is unique. Even Mikhi looked world class there but our system made him look average.

How's so? Coutinho was 160m in 2018, Hazard was 100m with one year left to Madrid, etc. Flop event was the after transfer happened, then people deemed them "overpaid".
That's why you are just a poster here, not Ed Woodward tasked with spending Millions of other people's money.

Disagree he's worth 150m pre-covid just because of Dembele. There's more to pricing targets than looking at one expensive transfer especially when said transfer was a flop. The general consensus is now that Barca overpaid. No one is using it as a metric to do their business unless they also want to get fleeced like barca.

We also aren't even that deep into the covid market. Teams haven't started posting those kinds of losses. The real covid market will be from next year when several months of BCD football starts to really stack up. In a real covid market dortmund would be the ones calling us up
This is a top post. Well put.
 

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It's not a very good system because it relies on players to elevate it, he's probably suffering a lot due to their wingback situation. I remember @Adnan saying that having a less attack minded RWB may hinder him here too.
From what I saw of BVB last season they have wingbacks who are very adept on the ball and they also open up space with their forays forward which really helps Sancho excell. Dortmund collectively are a well oiled machine with good movement off the ball generally which provides plenty of options for Sancho.

I don't believe our team is at that level yet collectively so I don't believe he would've been as effective for us this season if we had bought him due to our team being a work in progress regarding transitioning play from back to front.
 

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Sancho was probably his team's second best player after Haaland against Lazio. The team as a whole and Sancho in particular is really missing Hakimi, because Favre has not found the necessary adjustment yet to really make their attack work with Meunier.
Well, you said it yourself. If there are any youngish player in Europe who can perform and be game changer consistently, there are only Haaland and Mpabbe. Do I think Haaland would be worth 100m, unfortunately yes particularly when RM and City are looking for #9 replacement, half of the sum would probably end up in his fat agent's pocket.

Sancho, like Gnarby, are v good players but not that good. Somewhere between Sane and Sterling level IMO. Sterling had at least demonstrated 1 season at top notch level.
 

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Just a translation of the original story in Bild today


Heh, keeping an unhappy player at the club just to prove a point doesn't work out in the end does it...

Serves those arrogant Westphalians right
Good. Long may it continue.
 

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I just don't think any player is worth 100m+ in this market, they very rarely work out.
 

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Just a translation of the original story in Bild today


Heh, keeping an unhappy player at the club just to prove a point doesn't work out in the end does it...

Serves those arrogant Westphalians right
Not rooting for that to happen, but it'll be interesting to see how his next move and the fee thereof is impacted if he has a poor season due to not wanting to be at Dortmund. He's struck me as someone who quite likes it at Dortmund and is happy to be there for another year, but if behind the scenes he isn't, would be an odd situation for Dortmund to deal with given all that transpired over the summer.
 

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Look at all the mega ~£100m deals so far I'd say only Ronaldo to Real, VVD and Mbappe were successful. Imo Bale, Pogba, James, Lukaku, Morata, Hazard, Felix, Neymar, Dembele, Coutinho, Griezmann, Maguire they all somewhat have not lived up to their price tag. In some cases it's a total disaster. The ratio is just too low.

Once a club buy a player for such money they become the player's hostage. The wages are crazy and the fee is too high so they can't move the player on if he's a flop or he fall out with the manager/the club. Worst thing he just can see the contract out then leave on a free. Like Bale, or probably Pogba.

Tbh imo clubs should stay away from those deals. It's too risky and the successful ratio is just too low.
 
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Look at all the mega ~£100m deals so far I'd say only Ronaldo to Real, VVD and Mbappe were successful. Imo Bale, Pogba, James, Lukaku, Morata, Hazard, Felix, Neymar, Dembele, Coutinho, Griezmann, Maguire they all somewhat have not lived up to their price tag. In some cases it's a total disaster. The ratio is just too low.

Once a club buy a player for such money they become the player's hostage. The wages are crazy and the fee is too high so they can't move the player on if he's a flop or he fall out with the manager/the club. Worst thing he just can see the contract out then leave on a free. Like Bale, or probably Pogba.

Tbh imo clubs should stay away from those deals. It's too risky and the successful ratio is just too low.
When Pogba walks away on a free at least we’ll have the wage capacity to afford jadon with 1 year left on his deal:D
 

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When Pogba walks away on a free at least we’ll have the wage capacity to afford jadon with 1 year left on his deal:D
Yeah maybe. Imo eventually we'd see a lot of those free signings, especially in this Covid climate. It'd work well for everyone, except the club who owns the player. In two years Dortmund would be lucky if they can sell Sancho for £50-60m I think.