Is Jadon Sancho really worth the 100 plus million fee?

[Betson]

I genuinely feel that we're obsessed by what he could become than what he actually is.

Exactly , he has potential; to be an elite player in a big league , but so do a lot of players. Not all of them fulfill that potential ,even the promising ones. Right now he would probably improve us but not by nearly as much as some people on here think he would.

Talk of him having better stats than KDB had at a similar age in the same league are also not convincing , these things don't follow a straight line. i.e. there is no guarantee he will have anything like the impact KDB has had on the premier league.

I can see why Dortmund are looking for the price and standing firm , they see a desperate buyer with a lot of money come into their showroom.

I don't think he is worth the money we are been quoted but as i said , we are desperate at this stage.

 

[Nickelodeon]

The replies have been quite interesting and not in line with the other Sancho thread. Can anyone help me in understanding how I can an add a poll?

 

[Lennon7]

The replies have been quite interesting and not in line with the other Sancho thread. Can anyone help me in understanding how I can an add a poll?

Find a post by a mod and tell them their da collects eyelids

 

[Dan600]

I feel like we are going to try to do the deal in January. We have a bad winter with COVID around the world, the market will be even more deflated. Even better, Sancho doesn't reproduce the same figures he has been, he could definitely be cheaper. Worst case scenario, Sancho has a good 6 months, and no COVID then shoot, we end up paying the same fee quoted now, maybe less depending on his contract, clauses etc.

I feel like we have Ighalo until January, so they are waiting until then to make a move, whilst gambling on COVID to get a reduced fee. Maybe in January we'll offer £65-70M if there have been no fans in stadiums at that point.

 

[Rozay]

Muppets don’t care. They have committed to it, and are now emotionally invested. The fact that, in real terms, replacing Greenwood in our XI is seen as the most urgent need says enough. Regardless of whatever narrative, RW is factually one of our strongest positions in our XI. Fans and media only like to continue to write about ‘addressing our glaring weakness on the RW’ because, in their minds, Sancho lies on the other side of this addressing. That and the fact that Greenwood wasn’t bought, so he somehow doesn’t come into consideration in this ‘addressing’. We went from Dan James to Mason Greenwood on our right, and the whole world is literally acting as if they haven’t noticed. Because - Jadon Sancho.

I’m a big Sancho fan, and would be delighted if we got him, but Greenwood really is THAT good. I also agree that he will eventually move inside, but fact is, this season, he’ll be a RW. We could, theoretically, sign Sancho next summer, but fans and media are so invested that they don’t want to hear it. So instead, in their lashing out, we get 100 pieces being written a day to try and hurt the club, muppet anger thinly disguised as reasoned and considered debate, and all the talk about the club being mismanaged, incompetent and the rest of it because the fans, nor the press, got their £100m+ Sancho move to talk about. The board, I’d imagine, are not as emotional as that and are simply ignoring it all, as they should. I’m sure they would like to sign Sancho, as would I, but they won’t be bullied into making the decision that, spending 120m on a player to effectively ‘add competition’ to one of our strongest positions, while los money every week, when they feel they could get the same player either for less or when they are financially better positioned to, at a later date.

I love Sancho, and think he is worth the fee, to answer the question, but I am less sure he is worth that fee TO US and RIGHT NOW. Emotion and feet stamping aside, the team won’t be much worse off, if at all, if the club went and got Coman or Dembele on loan and signed Sancho next year. Again, Greenwood is that good, already.

 

[Mike Smalling]

I feel like we are going to try to do the deal in January. We have a bad winter with COVID around the world, the market will be even more deflated. Even better, Sancho doesn't reproduce the same figures he has been, he could definitely be cheaper. Worst case scenario, Sancho has a good 6 months, and no COVID then shoot, we end up paying the same fee quoted now, maybe less depending on his contract, clauses etc.

I feel like we have Ighalo until January, so they are waiting until then to make a move, whilst gambling on COVID to get a reduced fee. Maybe in January we'll offer £65-70M if there have been no fans in stadiums at that point.

The worst case scenario would surely also include us digging a hole in the top four battle, that we would then have to crawl out of in the second half of the season.

I am not saying that Sancho for +100m is necessarily the right choice, but we do need something in attack - and waiting half a year to maybe get a better deal is suicide.

 

[thegregster]

Who cares? We can well afford it.

Let Glaston worry about the net spend table.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Quite simply yes.

He's one of the best young attackers in the world, excels in a position we need - and is english and friends with several of our players already so should fit in nicely.

It literally makes TOO MUCH sense to sign him, but for some reason it's not going to happen. I have no idea why. The Glazers would rather have a big bank account balance I guess...

 

[Stacks]

Yeah Ive only seen him for England and he hasn't really stood out at all in any of the matches I've watched.

If you're going by England, then Kane's worth about £60m based on his recent showings, as is Sterling.

None of the so-called stars of the PL are covering themselves in glory in the England side lately.

It points toward the obvious issues with supply behind the attack, which makes the frontline look so bereft and underwhelming.

Sterling has 10 goals and 13 assists in 15 qualifying games. 3 goals in 7 nations league games
Harry Kane has 15 goals 7 assists in 13 Euro qualifyers. He wasn't impressive in nations league. If you look at the calender, Kane been on fire all 2019.

 

[shabz]

I have no doubt he improves us but with the emergence of Mason, is he still worth that much to us? We should give Mason a go on the right this year and not be held ransom to ridiculous demands. Use the money to improve the defence and assess what we need next season.

 

[Born2Lose]

I wouldn't be surprised if the people saying yes would also be people saying that Barca got a great deal with Dembele a few years ago.

I don't watch him enough to say if he's worth it or not, but I'd much rather 120m euros were spent on improving the squad.

 

[do.ob]

Kevin's first season he won young player of the year playing for a mid table team. Jadon's 1st season was not that impressive, as wasn't Kevin's 2nd season.

In KdB's first Bundesliga season he had already played three seasons in Belgium, including some EL and CL matches. In Sancho's first Bundesliga season he played his first minutes of professional football. And for what it's worth he was proclaimed newcomer of the season by the player's union as well.
It's such a flawed comparison to make and not just because of their age difference. Like when de Bruyne left Bremen there were reports of Dortmund working on a deal around €20m and he was two years older than Sancho who is rated €120m now. It was only until his second season at Wolfsburg that Kevin became truly exceptional and by then he was 25 years old.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

We need him, badly. So yes he is worth it.

The lad who is currently playing in that role is one of the brightest talents I have seen come from this club in last 30 years. So we definitely don't 'need him' even though it would be great to have him all the same. Greenwood is an absolute monster of a player too. Potentially may even go on to be better than Sancho too. Our fans seem to forget this.

Maybe instead of buying him for 108m we should have bought a far better player than AWB. You know like Liverpool have playing behind Salah in Trent. They don't need Sancho do they?

 

[Stacks]

In KdB's first Bundesliga season he had already played three seasons in Belgium, including some EL and CL matches. In Sancho's first Bundesliga season he played his first minutes of professional football. And for what it's worth he was proclaimed newcomer of the season by the player's union as well.
It's such a flawed comparison to make and not just because of their age difference. Like when de Bruyne left Bremen there were reports of Dortmund working on a deal around €20m and he was two years older than Sancho who is rated €120m now. It was only until his second season at Wolfsburg that Kevin became truly exceptional and by then he was 25 years old.

Someone else brought De Bruyne into the conversation. Not me! They said he is worth 100m because his 1st 2 seasons were better or something

 

[Stacks]

I would honestly prefer to spend that money on a beastly CB + DLP. City got Laporte for 60 odd mill so they must be about. Liverpool got Thiago for 27 mill. Someone who can receive the ball from the defense and distribute it well and if possible, also win turnovers. It is more crucial to replace Matic and upgrade Lindelof IMO. If Sancho comes for all our budget we will still have the issues of last season and will get exposed in the CL.

 

[keithsingleton]

Not another 1000 page Sancho thread

 

[ForeverRed1]

The lad who is currently playing in that role is one of the brightest talents I have seen come from this club in last 30 years. So we definitely don't 'need him' even though it would be great to have him all the same. Greenwood is an absolute monster of a player too. Potentially may even go on to be better than Sancho too. Our fans seem to forget this.

Maybe instead of buying him for 108m we should have bought a far better player than AWB. You know like Liverpool have playing behind Salah in Trent. They don't need Sancho do they?

greenwood isn’t a right winger. When was the last time we had a actual right winger on the right wing? serious question? not fitting someone decent in who can do the job but a actual person who specialises in that position? Greenwood is a monster but not a right winger naturally. Why does having one not mean we don’t need both? The best sides have this ridiculous depth, we don’t. We’re playing james on the right if greenwood can’t play. Martial upfront on his own. Why can’t we have both players? Sancho is so productive, both goals and assists, we don’t score enough goals so it makes sense.


lets actually get a world class or potential world class (depending how you rate him at present) right winger in to play on the right wing.

If not him who would you sign? And what world class right back would you sign better than AWB, that’s available?

 

[Murray3007]

at the moment he is, performed better with each season, still has potential to get even better add in the English tax, then the united tax, can only ever say they are worth it when they finish there time at the club and if it turned out value for money.

 

[cyberman]

Not now, not in this climate. Itll be more apparent with another season of this covid shit.

 

[Josh 76]

Sure, just like Paul Scholes has never been first choice for ENGLAND in his entire career, we should have sold him 20 years ago.

Paul Scholes was competing with two world class players for his postion. (I'm not saying they were better). Who is Sancho competing with?

 

[Nou_Camp99]

greenwood isn’t a right winger. When was the last time we had a actual right winger on the right wing? serious question? not fitting someone decent in who can do the job but a actual person who specialises in that position? Greenwood is a monster but not a right winger naturally. Why does having one not mean we don’t need both? The best sides have this ridiculous depth, we don’t. We’re playing james on the right if greenwood can’t play. Martial upfront on his own. Why can’t we have both players? Sancho is so productive, both goals and assists, we don’t score enough goals so it makes sense.


lets actually get a world class or potential world class (depending how you rate him at present) right winger in to play on the right wing.

If not him who would you sign? And what world class right back would you sign better than AWB, that’s available?

Neither is Salah. They seem to be doing okay.

 

[CG1010]

Young proven players always have a higher value so yes he is worth 100 million. But even if we don't get Sancho, another good RW can also do a job for us as we already have 3 very good prospects in our team.

 

[RkkMan]

Neither is Salah. They seem to be doing okay.

Salah has always been a winger since his Chelsea days what you waffling about?

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Salah has always been a winger since his Chelsea days what you waffling about?

Oh my days. How is Salah a winger? He's an inside forward, a Ronaldo type. Somebody who scores goals. Mane is the same too. Liverpool don't play with wingers. Their fullbacks are the wingers.

 

[cyberman]

Sure, just like Paul Scholes has never been first choice for ENGLAND in his entire career, we should have sold him 20 years ago.

Scholes had 66 caps by the time he retired at 30?
He was played out of position for the latter part of his England career but he was always a first choice.
I honestly think Greenwood will be firdt choice for the RW within the next 2 seasons with Jadon on the bench

 

[Forevergiggs1]

I kind of hope we don't sign him or else we're going to be the laughing stuck it European football.

The most expensive defender in the world, most expensive midfielder in the league (world?), most expensive forward in the league. Target : top 4.

You make a good point. Tragic but still good. Didn't AWB also go for a record fee for a fullback? Isn't DeGea the highest paid goalkeeper in the world? So yes, Sancho would fit right in

 

[christinaa]

Is Jadon Sancho really worth the 100 plus million fee?

Answer:

Better strenghten the defence first because the future for a great team starts from the back.

 

[ForeverRed1]

Neither is Salah. They seem to be doing okay.

Salah is one of the best players in the league. Maybe even the world. Greenwood is exceptional make no mistakes about it but you can’t yet compare him to Salah. Also different players. I don’t think we should be putting that level of pressure on greenwood just yet either.

108mil is a lot of money, crazy money but if we don’t get him someone else will. I hate the thought of him at Liverpool or Chelsea. Horrible.

to get back to top we need depth and the best possible quality. It’s going to cost unfortunately. Just the way the game is right now

If not him then just buy some defenders because ours are terrible

 

[laughtersassassin]

Can't wait for this thread to be brought up when he joins Liverpool or Chelsea and we look like absolute mugs.

Sancho is insane and the downplaying of what he has done is hilarious.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Salah is one of the best players in the league. Maybe even the world. Greenwood is exceptional make no mistakes about it but you can’t yet compare him to Salah. Also different players. I don’t think we should be putting that level of pressure on greenwood just yet either.

108mil is a lot of money, crazy money but if we don’t get him someone else will. I hate the thought of him at Liverpool or Chelsea. Horrible.

to get back to top we need depth and the best possible quality. It’s going to cost unfortunately. Just the way the game is right now

If not him then just buy some defenders because ours are terrible

Of course he's not on same level as Salah yet. That would be crazy to suggest he is at his age. He's definitely on the right trajectory though to become a world class player.

Maybe instead of replacing him in the team we should allow him to flourish like we did with Ronaldo and like you say replace parts of the team who aren't going to be world class if they are given 500 chances. Both fullbacks for example aren't good enough. Never will be. Lindelof is a joke and nowhere near good enough. Maguire the jury is still out on him. Maybe playing with an actual competent CB partner he might be okay.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Can't wait for this thread to be brought up when he joins Liverpool or Chelsea and we look like absolute mugs.

Sancho is insane and the downplaying of what he has done is hilarious.

Chelsea have spent more money than a small country's GDP this summer and still didn't buy him? Why not? Maybe they also think £108m is just a bit too pricey.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Sign everyone.

 

[Siorac]

Oh my days. How is Salah a winger? He's an inside forward, a Ronaldo type. Somebody who scores goals. Mane is the same too. Liverpool don't play with wingers. Their fullbacks are the wingers.

That's the thing though: if Liverpool had Wan Bissaka and Shaw, suddenly Salah and Mané would be a lot less effective. Playing with inside forwards is nice, I very much favour it - but then you need the right full-backs for it.

We now have creativity through the middle and plenty of goalscoring threat - but teams can congest the middle of the park against us and not worry about our width because we have very little.

 

[kopviolator]

20 year old with two full seasons behind him in the BSL.

I don't know if he's worth it but 120m Euros certainly seems crazy to me. Especially when income is slashed due to pandemic.

 

[ForeverRed1]

Of course he's not on same level as Salah yet. That would be crazy to suggest he is at his age. He's definitely on the right trajectory though to become a world class player.

Maybe instead of replacing him in the team we should allow him to flourish like we did with Ronaldo and like you say replace parts of the team who aren't going to be world class if they are given 500 chances. Both fullbacks for example aren't good enough. Never will be. Lindelof is a joke and nowhere near good enough. Maguire the jury is still out on him. Maybe playing with an actual competent CB partner he might be okay.

I personally would prefer him in more of a striker role but the great thing with greenwood is he could cover martial/sancho/even left wing when needed, he’s pretty versatile. Plenty of game time for him. Ole has come out and said that to be a number 9/striker greenwood needs to get better in the air so I’m hoping he takes that and works on it .. because he will be exceptional

sancho for me will be one of the best in his position in no time if not already and would sort our right wing out for years to come. His end product is fantastic, he literally spoon feeds strikers goals. Imagine him feeding the ball into someone with Greenwood’s finishing? These players cannot play every single game so there is enough for all of them. we are also bound to get injuries.

With defence I just think it depends who’s available, I don’t think we should buy for the sake of it.. that way we end up with a load of crap yet again. If upamencano was available or someone of that class then we should be all over it. But we shouldn’t just panic buy and end up with the wrong players. I’d rather we spent it on someone who’s going to absoloutly make a difference. Take us up a level. This is still a rebuild so it’s about getting the right players piece by piece.

 

[rotherham_red]

Muppets don’t care. They have committed to it, and are now emotionally invested. The fact that, in real terms, replacing Greenwood in our XI is seen as the most urgent need says enough. Regardless of whatever narrative, RW is factually one of our strongest positions in our XI. Fans and media only like to continue to write about ‘addressing our glaring weakness on the RW’ because, in their minds, Sancho lies on the other side of this addressing. That and the fact that Greenwood wasn’t bought, so he somehow doesn’t come into consideration in this ‘addressing’. We went from Dan James to Mason Greenwood on our right, and the whole world is literally acting as if they haven’t noticed. Because - Jadon Sancho.

I’m a big Sancho fan, and would be delighted if we got him, but Greenwood really is THAT good. I also agree that he will eventually move inside, but fact is, this season, he’ll be a RW. We could, theoretically, sign Sancho next summer, but fans and media are so invested that they don’t want to hear it. So instead, in their lashing out, we get 100 pieces being written a day to try and hurt the club, muppet anger thinly disguised as reasoned and considered debate, and all the talk about the club being mismanaged, incompetent and the rest of it because the fans, nor the press, got their £100m+ Sancho move to talk about. The board, I’d imagine, are not as emotional as that and are simply ignoring it all, as they should. I’m sure they would like to sign Sancho, as would I, but they won’t be bullied into making the decision that, spending 120m on a player to effectively ‘add competition’ to one of our strongest positions, while los money every week, when they feel they could get the same player either for less or when they are financially better positioned to, at a later date.

I love Sancho, and think he is worth the fee, to answer the question, but I am less sure he is worth that fee TO US and RIGHT NOW. Emotion and feet stamping aside, the team won’t be much worse off, if at all, if the club went and got Coman or Dembele on loan and signed Sancho next year. Again, Greenwood is that good, already.

Agree on this.

I said as much in my thread as well last week - Sancho coming in would absolutely improve us, but he alone woudn't bridge the gap to Liverpool and City. And the absolute best parts of our team are all young enough that we can realistically expect further improvement in form and consistency from them as the season progresses.

We can get Top 4 with the team as it is. If we want to improve and challenge for the league however, then we would need more (a world class RW like Sancho to take the almost all of the burden off Greenwood and let the latter develop in to the CF that he will ultimately become. A top-class DM to take the load off Matic with an eye on replacing him in the long-term. A new CB if Bailly and Axel don't prove their fitness this year, and a new LB to properly challenge Shaw).

I think Garner has it in him to be the long-term Matic replacement, but it depends on how he gets on at Watford, but even still, reinforcement is needed as the drop off from Matic to Fred, to McTominay is too large and Matic can't hack a game every 3 days workload.

In total, that is 4 signings that we need to get done and we can then have a legitimate shot at challenging the two at the top. If we get the LB and RW this year, then it is only really 2 that we need, and we should be looking at top-class additions in both areas without the need to compromise. I'd rather we did that, than trying to squeeze in bodies for the sake of it. We did that under LvG and we're still paying the price for it, more than half a decade on.

 

[Okey]

It's a lot of money but then it's like buying a luxury good. The seller can quote their price and dare you to want it enough. Things is, if we've spent 100m on 3 other players that strengthen our team, including a RW not named Jadon Sancho, we'd have stopped having these discussions. Sitting on our hands doing nothing while our rivals strengthen is the worse crime than not signing Sancho.

 

[Nickelodeon]

I'm quite pissed that we never went for Mahrez in the past or Ziyech this time around. A left footed RW is what we're crying out for. Its a pity Ziyech was available for such a low price and we didn't even bother trying.

 

[2 man midfield]

In this market? No way.

We have other spots in the team that is much more vital to strengthen than RW.

Which would be great if it looked at all like that’s what we’re doing. I’d happily sacrifice Sancho if it meant we signed a CB, LB and alternative RW. But we won’t.

 

[jackal&hyde]

Not now, not in this climate. Itll be more apparent with another season of this covid shit.

This is the bottom line I think. In a normal season, sure. Now though? If things get worse clubs that were not careful with their money could get in trouble.