Tried to restart one as I agree but for whatever reason the mods seem to have closed it. Maybe we aren’t allowed to discuss Sancho Transfer stuff.
Is Jadon Sancho really worth the 100 plus million fee?
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Yes I saw it, unfortunatelly some people are really annoyed with it and can’t find the ignore thread button
We can just use this one if the thread title is changed accordingly I suppose.
Same, and even that's not a guarantee IMO. He's only 18 and barely has the equivalent of 3 full games of professional experience. Look at Rashford and how long it took him to come to terms with professional football. Look at Greenwood who was even more impressive and how much more difficult he had it in the first half of this season. It would be deeply unfair to put all that burden on Diallo, and we need a RW in any case, even if it isn't Sancho.
The need at RW is the same as it is at DM, for me. Even just getting an above average specialist in that position would do wonders for us, but getting the creme de la creme there would have us punching very near the top on its own.
Yeah what’s this all about mods?
Is talk on Sancho embargoed? Bit bizarre really.
@Damien would it be possible to get this thread title changed so there is a place to discuss Sancho news and the latest transfer stuff. I understand there are currently like 3 variations of Sancho threads but it would be good to have one central proper thread if possible please.
If not no problem.
If not no problem.
Yeah I totally agree with you that we could do with a top class RW like Sancho whilst also having an impactful player like Diallo available to call on as well. The problem is that this summer is going to be a window very much affected by the COVID financial losses so can only see maybe two signings out of CB, RB (attacking), CDM & RW but which ones is anyone's guess right now.
Rumour has it that Amad Diallo is going to be better than Jadon Sancho.
There is only two years difference between them (Diallo 18, Sancho 20) so I'd say he's no longer United's top priority.
Woodward finally did something right....did I just actually say that.
There is only two years difference between them (Diallo 18, Sancho 20) so I'd say he's no longer United's top priority.
Woodward finally did something right....did I just actually say that.
I have followed Jardon Sancho an Dortmond the last 12 months i I am not impressed. He his not a player for United .He is a player with an attitude. He will only cause trouble in the long term. And he is not even god enough. There is two players I would like to see in United from Dortmond and that is Reyna and Haaland they a really something.
Sancho in flying form again. If we was having his current season in our front 3 he would be the best of them.
Great finish for his goal too. Subtle, but great.
Still far too early to say this really.
I’m using this.
Thought he over ran it and got a bit lucky with the prod under the keeper tbh.
He' incredible. The way he finds space and passing lanes is so impressive. He's already a light version of Neymar. If I could choose one player that stays with my club for the rest of his career, I'd go for him. He's better than Haaland and Mbappe I believe.
He was almost glued to the left wing those past games by the way. Almost every great play occured either on the left wing or in the center of the pitch.
He probably wouldn't be
done nothing to demonstrate superiority to Mbappe who has been great at both international and champions league level. Domestic performance is not the be all and end all
Sancho's technique is superior to Mbappe's and it's not even that close. Mbappe can have the occasional heavy touch or misplace easy passes, you don't see that with Sancho. To me it doesn't matter where a player showed his abilities by the way. The ball is the same in every competition and so is the pitch.
And Sancho showed great performances in the UCL by the way, for example against Mbappe's own team, in which he outshone Neymar - who in his own right is a far superior player to Mbappe.
He didnt score until Christmas odd and was atrocious for large periods of the season.
Not a chance this is true. His season is similar to Martials
Sancho wanted to leave last summer. His form was a hangover from that disappointment. I think we'd be top of the league easily if he had signed for us.
He's at 21 scorers in 25 games. They didn't occur after christmas alone. Sancho was already good in Favre's last games in December and has held up a high level ever since.
People in here underrate his season due to all this "he's elsewhere with his mind" thinking. He's shown the form of last season for quite a long period by now. I don't think his season is worse than Haaland's at this point.
Oh I think we would be well clear at the top of the league if he joined, its just that this season doesn't have him as our best attacker
Really makes you wonder what might have been. Hopefully a combination of Greenwood/Diallo can carry us to #21 on the right instead
Pardon? He has never been a top performer in any champions league campaign where as Mbappe has been top scorer. My point is plenty of players shine domestically. You have to prove at all levels to be top top in my book. Could be another Kagawa or Miki
One of the few times I’m in total agreement with you! Haaland has the brute strength and willingness to succeed wherever he goes, and Mbappe’s successes domestically and for France at such a young age speak for themselves — but given the choice of the golden trio, Sancho would be my choice too. I think there’s just something about his game. Almost always makes the right choice. Tends to look a little effortless.
Its Germany. T'is not the case whenever I see him lace up for England. I want him to be top top. As I said earlier my cousin who lives in Kennington knows his sister. I just feel he shouldn't be put ahead of dudes who are doing across multiple levels/competitions as its a bit unfair.
I understood your point, I just don't think it makes sense.
How many players in world football ever perform to a top class standard for their national team? Like, seriously? Let alone an English (we’ve probably had about 2 the entire past 20 years) and a young talent at that.
That's fine but at least do something in europe. Can't be calling someone world class simply because they have figured out their domestic league. It just shows one dimension/standard. Plenty of players are great domestically. we gotta raise the bar fellas.
So Sancho is better than Haaland and Mbappe simply because of his performances in the Bundelisliga? Great
No, he's better because he's better at playing football, no matter the competition. If you believe that CL is a different sport than BL, fair enough. But it's not like the ball behaves differently, the goals are bigger or the pitch has different shape.
Fair enough.
Why are you better though? If you are effectively at one level then surely that questions how good you are at football comparatively speaking. We have seen many players shine in German league or even the EPL but it counts for nout as there are levels to this shit. You know in your league you have another game in a few days and are used to playing those teams. Not the same pressure or expectation. Its not the world stage. Question is if you are really that good, surely it should translate to other stages
This is exactly how much we offered them last summer. Things are slowly falling in our favor and its likely we`ll still have a bit of a free ride for his signature
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For €100m there's no chance, especially with Corona depleted incomes where teams like Liverpool struggle to spend more than £5m on 2 CBs combined despite having no fit CBs.
Also Sancho's probably long term better on the left, like Rashford, so right now I'd much rather give Diallo a shot despite him being far more raw. He's left footed, has good close control and dribbling like Sancho.. and cost £20m not a 100m. The only way Sancho happens to United anymore is if the price goes down to around £50m, otherwise it won't given we have Greenwood on the right and the two young boys we signed in Diallo and Pellestri, and that we've seen this season that Rashford can play on the right too.
There's just a whole bunch of other factors too that make this deal unlikely. The days of £80m+ transfers on prospects are long gone, Dortmund are deluded if they think they'll get that. Dortmund are currently 6th in the league, not exactly a shining endorsement for them and we've seen players struggling going from Dortmund to United. And finally if we wait a season and try in the summer of next year in 2022, Sancho will only have a year left on his contract.
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I think this is overrated. People love talking about this and that player and how he's either a mentality monster or a bottler because he did or didn't "perform" in the CL but in the vast majority of time the determining factors were team quality and luck while said player actually performed well. Messi and CR7 are prime examples for that. Sure, mentality is a factor and some players, like Karius, definitely have issues on the big stage but that's nonsense regarding Sancho. It's not like he showed fluky technique or anything like that in CL games. As I said, out of Mbappe, Sancho and Neymar he was easily the best player over two legs last season. Which also had to do with Neymar and Mbappe playing shit.
Thing is, the guy has unreal technique and game reading ability. He's exploiting pockets of space. He's got excellent dribbling skills and moves and he uses them to open up passing lanes with perfect timing. I haven't been as impressed by a player since Neymar, Götze and Hazard came through. For me he's easily the best out of the current crop of super talents (Mbappe, Haaland, Felix, Havertz, etc.).
€100m was what Dortmund quoted what their losses would be due to Covid, SportBild are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5.
I'll go out on a whim here, even though I'd love us to sign Sancho, it's going to be nowhere near €100m. The longer the summer transfer goes on, the more desperate Dortmund will get, as not only will they have their huge loss financially, but next summer Sancho will be in his last year of his contract so will go for a lot less.
I think we'll get him for €50m + €30m in add ons and the deal is done on our terms.
They overplayed their hand last summer. We'll get him for €80m this year. It's funny how they're now the ones pushing the move to United.
Dortmund missing out on CL qualification would help us with the fee. He should be our #1 target this summer.
50m take it or leave it. Do it publicly so he knows, his agent knows, his family knows and fans known.
Match Dortmunds pettiness and stick an Aug 1st date on it.
Last year, they held the cards, this year we do.
Match Dortmunds pettiness and stick an Aug 1st date on it.
Last year, they held the cards, this year we do.
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