How quickly do you think the sale of a £4-9b company/asset is completed?
Is Jim Ratcliffe still interested in buying Manchester United? Yes
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Presumably we’d all take no more signings if it meant that the Glazers finally sell?
I’ll probably end up being wrong but this is the first time in 17 years I genuinely feel the Glazers might be open to selling and someone might come along with a serious bid
I’ll probably end up being wrong but this is the first time in 17 years I genuinely feel the Glazers might be open to selling and someone might come along with a serious bid
I hope it happens too maybe there is a change a foot, maybe they will sell soon. Who ever buys the club needs to invest heavily in all aspects of the club.
He's already said we're not for sale. I don't think many investors want to arrive at the table for a hostile takeover of a potentially 5 billion pound football club acquisition. They'd rather have some assurance the Glazer's are ready and willing to sell and to get some notion of value.
We have to remember, even Jim Ratcliffe would not be doing it for a laugh. This is big business, it won't be sentiment led, I don't care what he puts out about being a fan. It will take a serious businessman or set of investors to buy this club and they're just not interested in responding to distress signals from a moaning fanbase. They'll be interested when it is viable and makes sense to them.
We have to remember, even Jim Ratcliffe would not be doing it for a laugh. This is big business, it won't be sentiment led, I don't care what he puts out about being a fan. It will take a serious businessman or set of investors to buy this club and they're just not interested in responding to distress signals from a moaning fanbase. They'll be interested when it is viable and makes sense to them.
Very slowly but it was only a wish list.
His interview about Chelsea suggests he has already tried. The issue with buying United right now is the club needs a huge investment. Glazers do not care about the improving infrastructure and they can easily keep up having the same amount of dividends as they are now for years to come. It is one of the best investments ever because they practically paid no money to purchase it and even a million pounds of dividends is bonus for them. So it is kind of difficult situation.
As long as people buy merchandise and keep up with the attendance levels, United will generate enough revenue for Glazers to continue. But, if the organized protests and more visual demonstrations during the games, which I know might not be realistic, can decrease the sponsorship income. United is basically a billboard. When the contracts of existing sponsors come to an end, I can imagine the value to drop. Go check all the social media sites, including Linkedin, and you will it's all toxic.
All in all, they will of course say it is not for sale. But, if the protests continue with an improved pace and if they become more visual, the value will diminish and they might start thinking about it.
As long as people buy merchandise and keep up with the attendance levels, United will generate enough revenue for Glazers to continue. But, if the organized protests and more visual demonstrations during the games, which I know might not be realistic, can decrease the sponsorship income. United is basically a billboard. When the contracts of existing sponsors come to an end, I can imagine the value to drop. Go check all the social media sites, including Linkedin, and you will it's all toxic.
All in all, they will of course say it is not for sale. But, if the protests continue with an improved pace and if they become more visual, the value will diminish and they might start thinking about it.
I don't think you can buy United through hostile takeover as most of the shares belong to Glazers themselves.
This obsession over Maguire needs to go away
The irony of you lecturing other posters...
I think they would happily wipe us off the face of the earth for 6 billion
I don’t think you understand what irony is or what a lecture entails judging by that comment.
The answer to this question is no. The Glazers think they can wait out until super league II arrives and they can milk 500 million a year out of the club.
They may never get there but I think their FOMO on that will mean they never sell.
They may never get there but I think their FOMO on that will mean they never sell.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/606568-glazers-demand-18billion-to-sell-manchester-united
This was a bargain in the grand scheme of things
This was a bargain in the grand scheme of things
The thing with people saying the club isn’t for sale is that until someone shows a genuine interest and firms it up with an actual offer no one knows if the Glazer’s would sell, I guarantee that if they were offered £4 billion they’d sell as it’s all 100% profit to them seeing as they never paid a penny of their own money to purchase the club just like all transfers and loan repayments are paid by the club too.
If Jim Radcliffe got together with 3 other billionaires and offered £1 billion each of their money in then the Glazer’s would go for it, our value is only decreasing as we’re performing piss poorly on the pitch which means our commercial appeal is waning as well.
There’s also the fact that the Glazer’s know how hated they are by the fans so £4 billion to sell up and invest in Tampa Bay Buccaneers or a new franchise would surely be too tempting, what is it they get from United in dividends yearly ? £15 million each ? They’d have to do 20 more years each to make £300 million when they’d make double or treble depending on who gets what in one hit.
If Jim Radcliffe got together with 3 other billionaires and offered £1 billion each of their money in then the Glazer’s would go for it, our value is only decreasing as we’re performing piss poorly on the pitch which means our commercial appeal is waning as well.
There’s also the fact that the Glazer’s know how hated they are by the fans so £4 billion to sell up and invest in Tampa Bay Buccaneers or a new franchise would surely be too tempting, what is it they get from United in dividends yearly ? £15 million each ? They’d have to do 20 more years each to make £300 million when they’d make double or treble depending on who gets what in one hit.
take a step back and look how the club is viewed, superstars are leaving the club, they want the hell out of here. no Pogba for the sponsors, the social media court jester moonwalking to Nottingham, the crown jewel of Ronaldo desperate to get out after ONE season. Who do they replace these guys with? Bruno, Elanga, et al posing for winning team pics in training just doesnt hit the same. All we really have is Rashford as the golden boy who is a bit average on the pitch
i dont see them with the smarts or inclination to make us top of the league, so i agree they must be coming to a fork in the road
Seem to be covering this ownership of the Glazers an awful lot on their platforms just lately! All of it negative as well
I wouldn’t mind their parent company Comcast buying us given their resources
And this is where we will see the acid test so to speak, as remember due to declining shirt sales over the past few yrs it was Adidas pushing for the signing of CR7 as well as others, and with the Adidas deal up in 2024, Nike not wanting jack to do with us, maybe this is why we are seeing less money been spent.
Thanks @stubie
Yeah they are intent on making us suffer
"You can't win tournaments if you don't have good players".
Jim gets it. Get him in.
Fans should focus their energy on messaging Ratcliffe asking to put in a bid for United.
Yeah, good idea. How would you do that though? Ineos website or what?
I don't think begging Ratcliffe is a good idea. A reluctant owner isn't necessarily a good owner. If he wanted to initiate a takeover he would do it would he not? He's not just going to put 5 billion quid together because his PA tells him he's receiving a lot of emails.
Let's get real, if he is at an age where he's of some kind of angelic, philanthropic disposition towards the club (which is what footie fans seem to expect) he'd simply do it of his own volition because he feels like it. He is viewing it as a businessman which means a) it has to make business sense as a buy and b) he will also want a return on it, and therefore it's subject to a very realistic, hard headed assesment of the investment. The fact he's said it's not for sale says everything, it is of course...just not for the right price compared to Chelsea.
Let's get real, if he is at an age where he's of some kind of angelic, philanthropic disposition towards the club (which is what footie fans seem to expect) he'd simply do it of his own volition because he feels like it. He is viewing it as a businessman which means a) it has to make business sense as a buy and b) he will also want a return on it, and therefore it's subject to a very realistic, hard headed assesment of the investment. The fact he's said it's not for sale says everything, it is of course...just not for the right price compared to Chelsea.
Yes. Or even use a hashtag on social media with his name. The message would get through to him.
So, we just keep protesting with no actual target in mind?
Whilst Jim get what you’re saying when someone were worth 2 billion and lost 1 they’d still do things 99.9% of people could never do
but just because someone is worth 18b doesn’t mean they have 18b worth of liquid assets and hence he might only have 2b free and the rest is tied up on shares, companies etc
It's unthinkable that a smart business man would buy us, and not just carry on doing what the glazers are doing.
To think they're going to go 4-5billion just on the purchase, and then start lashing another 1-2 billion about on the ground and signings is just pure whimsy.
To think they're going to go 4-5billion just on the purchase, and then start lashing another 1-2 billion about on the ground and signings is just pure whimsy.
We don't need them to. We make loads of money ourselves. We just need a new owner who will employ people who know what they are doing.
The Woodward 9 year fiasco and then handing the keys to his number 2 in Arnold shows you these owners aren't learning. Putting Murtough as head of recruitment even more so.
They are the problem and don't see it. They keep throwing managers under the bus when in truth their decisions above them are what's really to blame.
right. I'll fire off an email somewhere
I think his offer and interview around the Chelsea sale is encouraging. He clearly sees the likes of Chelsea as a national institution with a lot of responsibility involved, United would obviously be even bigger in his estimation. He doesn't see it as a profit making enterprise.
Let me know the reply.right. I'll fire off an email somewhere
Yes. It might make some small difference to the Glazer outlook which can only be good. Doubtful because they're usually in the US, but you never know.
But I think spamming people with money or begging them to buy the club is more likely to make somebody think about whether football is really something they need.
Here's the business case, put 5 billion quid in to deal with a stadium with crumbling infrastructure and a squad in dire need of refresh and then you have the fans moaning if you dare think about realising profit, and they all have an opinion on how they'd run the club and spend your money better than you can.
The Glazers got an unbelievable deal, the next buyer probably isn't going to be so lucky and I think the last thing that is going to help is spamming business emails with diatribes on our plight. Someone is going to hand over the money when they're ready, and likely when it's easier to do so, such as when the leeches actively sell.
I found it weird how he went on for a TV interview regarding his Chelsea bid and basically said ‘Yeah I knew I bid for Chelsea after the deadline had passed but why not… and by the way Manchester United wasn’t for sale’
If he buys the club he doesn’t immediately lose 33% of his net worth which already is mostly assets not cash. The clubs value will count towards his net worth and over time will either increase or decrease.
Multi Billionaires own ornaments worth £100m.
Don’t you have to convince all 6 of them to sell? The biggest hurdle as I understand it is your team is basically a trust fund for all 6 of Malcolm’s children, and all 6 have an equal share
Now … if that’s still true it’s also a potential way forward. You in theory only need enough of them to sell to get the new owner to over 50 % control and then you could force the others to sell later (Like the Glazers did it).
Im sure two or three of those kids would like a massive check AND the opportunity to annoy the one or two siblings that actually want the club.
All of this six children are getting older in their own right. How would it be divided then? Are you going to have 30 or so odd grandchildren meeting in a room to decide things?
It’s ridiculous really. United deserve a big pockets owner who has ambitions to match the scope of the team.
Now … if that’s still true it’s also a potential way forward. You in theory only need enough of them to sell to get the new owner to over 50 % control and then you could force the others to sell later (Like the Glazers did it).
Im sure two or three of those kids would like a massive check AND the opportunity to annoy the one or two siblings that actually want the club.
All of this six children are getting older in their own right. How would it be divided then? Are you going to have 30 or so odd grandchildren meeting in a room to decide things?
It’s ridiculous really. United deserve a big pockets owner who has ambitions to match the scope of the team.
I think some of them actually did/do want to sell up, but the two brothers - Joel and Avram fancy themselves as “businessmen” that can unlock value, and I imagine that Super League is their promised land. I’m surprised that the UK government isn’t putting the safe-guards to prevent British clubs from abandoning their home leagues given football’s cultural significance to Britain. Then again most of the ruling class are cricket and rugby people while football was meant as a distraction for the masses.
So, we've been protesting for the past 17 years. Protesting has become the norm for the Glazers. It has now just become something United fans do. It is the "never know" part that does not Unite the fans, as they lose hope.
However, if you give the fans a tangible figurehead who will up the cost of buying the club, they will then turn the screw into the Glazers. The fans will unite and empty the stadium etc.
With your above business case, why even bother to protest? Who will buy anyway? Just leave the status quo.
You call it "begging" to ask for a new ownernas though it's a negative. We've been "begging" for the Glazers to leave for 17 years. I see it as getting behind someone. Encouraging them, especially as he has already shown an interest in buying one of our rivals...plus he's a United fan.
All I know is, protesting as we have been, isn't working.
Why not? At least it will be good exercise for those participating. Some health benefits.
There's only 2 that seem to have anything to do with the club. The other 4 are directors in name but just sit in America taking the cash, no interest in the club