Still? He wasn’t to begin with.
Is Jose Mourinho still our best manager post Fergie?
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Mourinho came 6th the season he won the EL. Ole has comfortably overtaken him.
I watch football to be entertained, i don't get a bonus if the team win a trophy at the end of the season.
You should just switch to City then. Much more likely to win and the football isn't boring. Alternatively try Bayern, they're always winning and have excellent football.
Manchester United under LvG/Mourinho were the shittest side i've ever had the misfortune to watch. It could be on par with the England national team under Capello.
The game against Yoevil town was the worst - just so so boring.
I think all of us wanted Ole to succeed yesterday so we could say that Jose is no longer the best manager we had since SAF.
This
We scored 130 goals or something this season. The squad is young and vibrant
Posts like this are just bloody ridiculous. Go and support another club because you want ours to be successful. Jesus christ.
He Obviously won more than Ole but that’s not everything to me.
I’ve preferred watching our seasons with Ole in charge
I’ve preferred watching our seasons with Ole in charge
although I’m positive Mourinho would win a final with our team against a 7th place La Liga sideLook at the Europa run when we won itwe didnt even top a dreadful group.
Oles Europa run was more impressive this year than Mourinhos despite not winning.
Oles FA Cup run this year was more impressive than LVGs despite not winning.
In the cups an easy draw goes a long way. Just look at Chelsea's CL group and first KO tie this year.
Is that all football is about to you? Winning a cup? Even if it’s the elf, feck enjoyment you just want that shiney
But he didn't get past a Sevilla team in the last 16?
I don't get the thread.
Jose Mourinho was a disaster of epic proportions. How can he be the best at, well, anything? Weirdness.
Jose Mourinho was a disaster of epic proportions. How can he be the best at, well, anything? Weirdness.
Yes but I feel Mourinho knows how to navigate a final as contradictory as it sounds. I’m actually not in the Ole-out camp but Ole was overawed by the occasion in terms decision making and subs .
Ole did Fellaini as an option but chose to move him on asap because he's a terrible footballer.
Best is a very subjective term. Had we won PL or CL, then undoubtedly yes. But he didn’t. For me, his toxicity and his brand of football was not worth the EL and LC. For me, Ole is the best manager we’ve had in terms of balance. I also think that Ole deserves to be sacked. So what a goldmine we’ve picked.
No - the idea that you'd prefer Mourinhos non football for trophies is ridiculous. It's like using cheats on fifa.
One top 4 season either side of 6th probably lower than 6th.
But that 1 season when he finished second huh? Far better than Oles 3rd and 2nd. Ole can get the next five 2nd places in a row on 80 points each and that 1 season will still be brought up on here.
But that 1 season when he finished second huh? Far better than Oles 3rd and 2nd. Ole can get the next five 2nd places in a row on 80 points each and that 1 season will still be brought up on here.
Nah it was the furthest thing from a joy to experience him. It's shame we've still not won anything under Ole, its far from good enough, but its not the depressive sludgefest it was under Jose. We had one good league campaign under him, and most of us wanted him gone at the end of it because it was miserable.
Some people on here are so short sighted that they'd happily drop the club into the wilderness for years just to get some silverware. Which is fitting, because it's precisely what Jose did.
It is contradictory. Ole beat better teams in knockout ties than Mourinho did. The final came down to a penalty.
Even in some of those easy ties we only scraped through with Mourinho.
P.s. could you have imagined that final Mourinho vs Emery both playing park the bus?
Yes, and the conventional metrics used to determine success would indicate such, but, like many would suggest, longterm development, and continuity within the squad itself were grievously neglected, and, in fact, made demonstrably worse by The Toxic One so at the end of the day it's a qualified "yes" at best.
Totally with you on this,
there’s 100 or so teams in the football league with 5 or 6 trophies to be won, if every fan of every club acted like the spoilt entitled fans that some United fans on this forum act there’d be no teams left.
I genuinely was losing interest and the love of the game when mourhino was in charge, didn’t like him, didn’t like the team, didn’t like the football, dreaded the future but we won two lower rate cups.
Under solajkaer I now look forward to games, have belief in the Team not to throw the towel in when behind, happier with the players, basically it’s an all round better experience as a fan to me. Just missing that final piece of a big trophy and I believe we’re closer to that under Ole than we ever were under mourhino.
He can’t win a semi but I totally believe he can win a final
anything to have a go at Ole from some fansI wouldn't. (Although I didn't think the football was that bad early doors with Jose, just dire by the end, as is usual because he doesn't seem to coach teams to attack).
But just because someone feels they were willing to stomach a more negative brand of football to see more trophy success doesn't mean they should be told to support another club.
Only if you're measuring success by trophies.
He’s the most successful of the four managers for us and, yes, despite his decline the best.
That said, while another season under Ole doesn’t fill with me with confidence, I daren’t imagine where we’d have ended up with another year of Mourinho.
That said, while another season under Ole doesn’t fill with me with confidence, I daren’t imagine where we’d have ended up with another year of Mourinho.
No but if all they care about is winning that trophy and not so much the enjoyment of the game and club then maybe they’d be better off
I don't think winning the League Cup and the Europa League were worth the damage Mourinho did. So no.
We haven't had a good manager since Fergie though.
We haven't had a good manager since Fergie though.
Jose>Lvg>Ole>Moyes but frankly it doesn't matter.
What is really really fecking sad about the above is that, out of all 4, LVG seemed to be the only one having a god damn playing style and plan. He was also the best at improving players.
It really shows what we're missing, a fecking coach, it's that simple.
One of the posters above mentioned that winning the league cup and UEL was not worth it for all the trouble Mourinho has done and I 100% agree.
What is really really fecking sad about the above is that, out of all 4, LVG seemed to be the only one having a god damn playing style and plan. He was also the best at improving players.
It really shows what we're missing, a fecking coach, it's that simple.
One of the posters above mentioned that winning the league cup and UEL was not worth it for all the trouble Mourinho has done and I 100% agree.
Most successful - Perhaps.
Best - Absolutely not.
Best - Absolutely not.
I just wish LVG's style of play was more attacking as I think he was actually the best manager.
I didn't think Mourinho did a good job at United nor did I enjoy his stint/football, but I have to agree that he was our best manager post SAF. He won more trophies than the others and also managed our best league finish. Yes, I prefer the younger team we have now but at the end of the day we haven't won anything for a long time now and you play to win things.
I was never a Mourinho fan, not even back on his peak career times. Always disliked the persona and the football brand and I think that his career shows that having a trendable persona is sometimes more important than knowledge.
We are playing better football, but results wise we are pretty similar as under Mourinho. I don't get deluded saying we improved, because the only thing improved was playing a marginally better football style.
- Mourinho 2nd place 81 pts with 68-28 on GD. When we were 6th with Mourinho, we managed to nick 69 points.
- Ole managed also a 2nd place 74 pts with 73-44 on GD. Ole previous 3rd place with 66 points is still 3 points less than Mourinho's 6th.
We are playing better football, but results wise we are pretty similar as under Mourinho. I don't get deluded saying we improved, because the only thing improved was playing a marginally better football style.
No it’s about seeing the smiles on all those little faces and knowing the players who play for the team I support are happy.
As it seems like that counts these days. Man are concerned about the atmosphere in Carrington. Funnily enough no one can confirm or deny if it’s now a happy place.
I’m genuinely curious, how not?
If you say ‘players are happy’ it kind of sums up the issue when that’s your barometer of a successful manager.
I would actually rather have this season with Ole than to have won the league with Jose. That man just was not right for United. It felt like a different club with him there and I could barely watch them play. Dark days.
So the answer is yes. Thought as much
So you couldn't come up with anything?
Add to that we have a much younger more talented squad coming through. The environment in and around the club is night and day. Oh and the football is more enjoyable.
Winning trophies is the point of football.
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good job you had the pleasure of supporting United through the 90’s and 00’s then and not someone like Newcastle or Spurs or Luton or shef Wednesday. What would be the point in that
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