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Crumbles the moment things are less than 98.6% optimal.
If he can turn around the current rot and win City the Premiership, I'd be convinced he is one of the best of all time.
I think we had a better squad in 21/22 and he still pipped us to that one. Otherwise yes.Why? He still has the best squad in the league. A couple of injuries simply make things a little harder than normal, but winning even from this position is no big achievement.
Pep has consistently had the best (or comparable to the best) squad in the league ever since he took over that insane Barcelona team. The only exception is his first year in charge of City. But even then he arguably had the best midfield and attack. So what happened then? He barely made top 4...
I think we had a better squad in 21/22 and he still pipped us to that one. Otherwise yes.
InterestingGreatest manager of all time: my arse
Interesting
And it was posted by FreakI like that you added a tactical colon so that we can discuss their... colon.
Because every season does not exist in a vacuum. He's already won four in a row, winning a fifth would already before been incredibly impressive, turning this around to win a fifth would even be a great achievement.Why? He still has the best squad in the league. A couple of injuries simply make things a little harder than normal, but winning even from this position is no big achievement.
Pep has consistently had the best (or comparable to the best) squad in the league ever since he took over that insane Barcelona team. The only exception is his first year in charge of City. But even then he arguably had the best midfield and attack. So what happened then? He barely made top 4...
Why? He still has the best squad in the league. A couple of injuries simply make things a little harder than normal, but winning even from this position is no big achievement.
Pep has consistently had the best (or comparable to the best) squad in the league ever since he took over that insane Barcelona team. The only exception is his first year in charge of City. But even then he arguably had the best midfield and attack. So what happened then? He barely made top 4...
He did indeed create an insane team. There's a reason peak Barca is seen as his team, and it's not because every player magically peaked at the same time while he was there.I think he created that insane Barcelona team, he didnt just take over an insane team.
SAF isn't the greatest because he kept winning with an underdog, he is the greatest because his relentless desire and incredible ability to keep winning.
I think he created that insane Barcelona team, he didnt just take over an insane team.
No doubt, Guardiola is one of the greatest managers of all time. However, when he took over as Barcelona manager in 2008, he inherited a squad already filled with exceptional talent: Valdes, Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Eric Abidal, Eto’o, Thierry Henry, Yaya Toure and others. Credit to him though for reshaping this talented group and successfully implementing his visionary tiki-taka tactics.I think he created that insane Barcelona team, he didnt just take over an insane team.
So a bald Max Verstappen?As many people have been saying for years, he always starts the race in 1st place with the fastest car.
No doubt, Guardiola is one of the greatest managers of all time.
He shouldnt be put in the same bracket as managers like
On what basis? Managers like Sir Alex, Jose, and Klopp all achieved success with small unfancied clubs and built dominant squads at clubs that were previously poor sides while Pep has only ever managed 3 already successful clubs where he inherited top squads and huge transfer budgets.
Grabbing that Barca being a rookie in the way he did it, beting in so many academy players it's not normal
He gave Roberto, Thiago and Busquets their Barca debut. (Pique too, but y’all had nabbed him from the La Masia and given him a handful of league starts by then).He only brought through 2 players from the B team (Bojan, and Pedro) and they wernt key players for him, the rest of his Barca team were already first teamers or were bought.
He only brought through 2 players from the B team (Bojan, and Pedro) and they wernt key players for him, the rest of his Barca team were already first teamers or were bought.
Yeah I don't ascribe to the narrative that he simply inherited an all time great team and winning a treble was some forgone conclusionIn hindsight, it seems simple.
But at the time he made some bold choices in getting rid of deco and Ronaldinho without real replacements, supplanting Toure with a kid from the B team and throwing a kid center back purchased from United's reserves into the first team.
Xavi was world class, but second fiddle to Deco and Iniesta backup when he took over. It wasn't necessarily in the cards that they would become all time greats.
Messi was touted as a potential all-time great, but it was guardiola who primed him to become a goalscorer and turned him into the best player in the world.
And even with all that talent, they became more than the sum of their parts in a way they weren't before or after Guardiola.
In hindsight, it seems simple.
But at the time he made some bold choices in getting rid of deco and Ronaldinho without real replacements, supplanting Toure with a kid from the B team and throwing a kid center back purchased from United's reserves into the first team.
Xavi was world class, but second fiddle to Deco and Iniesta backup when he took over. It wasn't necessarily in the cards that they would become all time greats.
Messi was touted as a potential all-time great, but it was guardiola who primed him to become a goalscorer and turned him into the best player in the world.
And even with all that talent, they became more than the sum of their parts in a way they weren't before or after Guardiola.
For someone so great, his football is dire and there are massive question marks over cheating at Barca and Citeh under his tenure.
The dire thing it's a question of personal taste. Some of his teams at times infuriated me with their pargamatism, yet others are among the very best displasy I've ever seen in the history of the game.
Personal opinion, far form facts:
The drugs in football like any Pro Sport would always be some mud waters in my opnion, it's like Amstrong the only cyclist drugging. I think it's more a question of it they got you or not.
Leaving that aside, every huge club always had matches with dubious or bad calls on favor of them, while every huge club from every traditional League thinks their rivales have cheated more than them.
In reality I think everyone at some point gets some extra help and even in those periods or moments, since everyone is in the game doing their thing or refs just fvcked up or be biased, some call or situation would go against.
Barca, being a huge club, would receive more calls on favor than smaller clubs, yet at the same in 2014 (I think) they had to deal with a single wrong decision that altered the result of an entire tournament when a Messi goal against Aleti was wrongly disallowed, that single decision gave Aleti the title.
In other ocasions when a huge bad call goes against but that team ends winning anyway, there isn't much fuzz about ir later, and a large etc.
I could write a book on why I believe Guardiola is one of the greatest managers of all time. His revolutionary tiki-taka approach and his consistent success at every club he's managed with a dominant style of play. It's foolish to deny his greatness.He shouldnt be put in the same bracket as managers like
On what basis? Managers like Sir Alex, Jose, and Klopp all achieved success with small unfancied clubs and built dominant squads at clubs that were previously poor sides while Pep has only ever managed 3 already successful clubs where he inherited top squads and huge transfer budgets.
I could write a book on why I believe Guardiola is one of the greatest managers of all time. His revolutionary tiki-taka approach and his consistent success at every club he's managed with a dominant style of play. It's foolish to deny his greatness.
Even with all the caveats, Guardiola is one of the greatest managers football has ever seen and he will be remembered as such.But there's always that caveat.
Those clubs would have been successful with a dominant style of play without him.
We know this because before and after him they were.
Doesn't mean he isn't a great manager but I think the tika taka style that everybody has copied is his biggest legacy. Not many managers change how the game's played(for good or bad).