I don’t see it coinciding with us making up the extra points. Pogba or notGB, you honestly dont see the top 4 dropping 9 points from the remaining 78 points?
I don’t see it coinciding with us making up the extra points. Pogba or notGB, you honestly dont see the top 4 dropping 9 points from the remaining 78 points?
People on here used to laugh at Henderson et al., like they do with their own players now. Let's see if McT and Fred keep developing at the same rate they have done since the start of the season.Liverpool midfielders are very good on top of working hard and being coached well.
Not aiming this at you but their midfielders are ridiculously underrated on the caf.
Agree. Last season we did recover 11 points but I think we did get fortunate on that run and I think Chelsea and Leicester have greater momentum this time around.I don’t see it coinciding with us making up the extra points. Pogba or not
I'm not even sure Leicester is playing their best XI, I've been impressed with Praet, think they might well be even better with Maddison nominally wide left but basically free and Praet in midfield, as Barnes and Perez are pretty clearly the weakest players in their XI. They could also just sign a proper wide player.If anything Chelsea are going to get better with Pulisic now finding his feet in the PL
Leicester? Well people kept thinking “it’s only Leicester” when they went on a run to win the PL. their current form is actually better now than when they won the league! Their squad is stronger too.
This is obviously the wrong thread to discuss, but Pogba or no Pogba we are too inconsistent.
I don't think those two as our deepest two will ever be good enough. Possibly for a top 4 challenging team but beyond that we need better. I mean neither are anywhere near as good as somebody like Carrick let alone Scholes and those are the standards we eventually have to look at.If Fred and Scott continue like that then sure it's good enough, and if we want to upgrade on say Fred, it will be with another box to box player not a player like Pogba. As for Perriera I said as a number 10 is the only position left for Pogba to play in, because breaking a working midfield is insane. If he can't play there it will be better to get a proper number 10 then.
A working midfield isn't about quality alone and Liverpool proved that.
Depending on his recovery this 2 weeks, Ole said that he expects Pogba to be in the eleven early December.When is he expected back anyway?
Pogba instead of Andreas in front of Fred and McSauce is the missing piece. Will add a whole other dimension offensively.
Me too, but i dont think we should do"everything" to keep him, as that would go straight against what Ole is trying to do regarding building a healthy culture. He sent Lukaku and Sanchez packing, though he admitted they would have been useful to have in the team. https://www.goal.com/g00/en-us/news...r=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8=&i10c.dv=11I don’t see why not. We’ve bent over backwards for De Gea and nobody cares about that now and he basically had no clubs after him.
I’d love Pogba to stay but I also don’t see anything wrong with us doing everything we can to keep him.
Let’s be honest we will sell him and just sign James Maddison and nobody else.
Honestly, from what I hear from coaches at Carrington he is the most humble and polite person. He's always there for events with the kids. Signing everything. He's been there to promote the club to academy signings and to welcome new signings like Maguire to the club and he's stepped in for corporate events when the club has needed someone to. He also came back early last year from the World Cup.I just don't get where the Pogba is the cultural issue at United thing comes from?
Apart from the one post made after Jose was sacked - what evidence is there of him having a bad attitude?
Exactly, I don't think Pogba is a bad apple in the dressing room.Honestly, from what I hear from coaches at Carrington he is the most humble and polite person. He's always there for events with the kids. Signing everything. He's been there to promote the club to academy signings and to welcome new signings like Maguire to the club and he's stepped in for corporate events when the club has needed someone to. He also came back early last year from the World Cup.
He's been treated extremely poorly in the media, and clearly Neville has had an agenda against him. As soon as he's been out of the side suddenly Gary's passion about our poor form disappeared yet we were near relegation until a couple of weeks ago. Everything is around Pogba with Neville and that's unfair. Deranged.
In fairness to him, he joined a rebuild in 2016 and it hasn't lived up to anyone's expectations of how it was supposed to go. He turns 27 this season and we're at least 2 or 3 years away from challenging (and that's highly optimistic and based on impeccable transfer dealings in the interim). These years are supposedly a players peak so he might want to spend them in a team challenging for trophies.Exactly, I don't think Pogba is a bad apple in the dressing room.
He is clearly good mates with Lingard, Rashford and some of the academy boys so I don't think he is a bad influence on the players because they do get along.
What Pogba wants is a competitive United to match his ambitions. A world cup winner who wants to win domestic trophies. If we looked liked we are building something to challenge in a years time, without a doubt he would stay but the continued rebuild is not good enough for him.
Whether we want him gone or not, Pogba will walk into our team whenever he is fit and available.
Exactly, I don't think it is an insult to Manutd if pogba wants to leave for trophies because his talent deserves to be challenging.In fairness to him, he joined a rebuild in 2016 and it hasn't lived up to anyone's expectations of how it was supposed to go. He turns 27 this season and we're at least 2 or 3 years away from challenging (and that's highly optimistic and based on impeccable transfer dealings in the interim). These years are supposedly a players peak so he might want to spend them in a team challenging for trophies.
You don't really understand Klopps tactics, the misconception about hard working, depends on how you want your team to play, whether possesion based football like Pep or space based football ala Klopp.I don't think those two as our deepest two will ever be good enough. Possibly for a top 4 challenging team but beyond that we need better. I mean neither are anywhere near as good as somebody like Carrick let alone Scholes and those are the standards we eventually have to look at.
Us having a working midfield right now is highly debatable. It's important that we don't get carried away with one or two peformances and expect and demand and aim for better. Fred is absolutely miles away from proving himself to be good enough. Mctominay is further down that path but also has time on his side.
I think Klopp has seemingly created this misconception that hard work alone can make you a top class team. Let's not forget that they have the best back 4 in the league, the best DM in the league and possibly the best front 3 in the league right now. So this myth that they've got work horses in many positions is completely untrue. Even the likes of Wijnaldum and Henderson have dribbling abilities and a passing range that the likes of Fred and Mctominay have never shown. Let alone Fabinho who is miles ahead of either and their main midfielder right now. And then you have to consider the creativity and goalthreat they have due to A) Klopp and B) the quality of the fullbacks and attackers.
Considering all of the above Livepool are not the blueprint for us. We should look at the quality we had in midfield on oir own teams do the past - Carrick , Scholes etc - that's the bar (okay maybe not Scholes) we should look at.
But I agree that tactically Pogba would replace Periera and not Fred/Mctominay.
Except of course that one of his previous coaches (his manager!) called him a virus and had to strip him off his vice captaincy because he was being so disruptive. But yeah : very polite.Honestly, from what I hear from coaches at Carrington he is the most humble and polite person.
Exactly, and that's Jose Mourinho, a man who, I think we can all agree, doesn't often fall out with people easily.Except of course that one of his previous coaches (his manager!) called him a virus and had to strip him off his vice captaincy because he was being so disruptive. But yeah : very polite.
A nobel peace prize nominee at one point evenExactly, and that's Jose Mourinho, a man who, I think we can all agree, doesn't often fall out with people easily.
Pogba is expected back in December. Based on where he is right now in the process, early December looks likely. He had his cast taken off yesterday. After the cast is off he has a 14 day recovery training program to undergo before he's able to be declared match fit.When is he expected back anyway?
Pogba instead of Andreas in front of Fred and McSauce is the missing piece. Will add a whole other dimension offensively.
yeah, the club exists solely to help Pogba win titles and soothe his ego.He joined during a rebuild 3yrs ago.
Three years later the rebuild is not only still ongoing, the club is at its lowest ebb. If any player has been more misled and misused by a big club for a 3yr period, it's him.
He's been well reimbursed for it though. Time to cut ties and wish him well on his way though.
Any of his other managers said similar? Or could the issue actually be Jose there? There are precedents with Jose and falling out with players like Ronaldo and Hazard where other managers have had no issue. I can't think of any other issues with Pogba.Except of course that one of his previous coaches (his manager!) called him a virus and had to strip him off his vice captaincy because he was being so disruptive. But yeah : very polite.
People on here used to laugh at Henderson et al., like they do with their own players now. Let's see if McT and Fred keep developing at the same rate they have done since the start of the season.
DefinitelyI honestly havent seen most of Utd games this season, but has Fred really showed any signs of promise? From what Ive seen its hard to imagine 'Fred' and 'developing' in the same sentence.
Genuine question.
It is the opposite simply because Pogba is considered by some to be so called world class.The same McTominay who had two good games out of his first eight this season? The problem really is that some players have a few good games and everyone forgets the poor ones. With Pogba it's the opposite
How did McTominay displayed attitude and character very often?It is the opposite simply because Pogba is considered by some to be so called world class.
But anyway you miss my point. I was referring to McTominay attitude and character which is not something Pogba displays very often.
I agree about the niggling injury will become more bothersome & severely restrict his playing time for the remainder of the season.He has already said he see's his job at Utd is done. I would expect him to put in some decent performances in Dec to try & get a Jan move. If we don't move him on then i suspect this niggling injury will become more bothersome & severely restrict his playing time for the remainder of the season.
I take it that you have watched him.How did McTominay displayed attitude and character very often?
That's not an answer.I take it that you have watched him.
It is if you have watched him.That's not an answer.
yeah, the club exists solely to help Pogba win titles and soothe his ego.
How about Pogba makes some kind of meaningful contribution to our 'rebuild'.
But thats this board's default setting.He's injured. He's posted up on Instagram he will be back in about two weeks.
He literally posted the video of the cast coming off. Stop being dramatic nobjockeys.