Is Pogba as good as gone?

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It is clearly worse though not that you'll ever admit it :lol:
:lol::lol: we are clearly worse
yeah, for 1 game in 8 when he has his bi-monthly worldie.
Barely know he's playing in the other 5.
And in 1 or 2, he has a mare losing the ball, and misses penalties and easy shots which costs us goals and points.
And when he plays, he has to be top boy, so everything has to go through him, which impacts quality and contribution of others.

Net net, no impact, and perhaps even worse.
 
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No. Not being professional is being late for training, getting drunk or something like that.
That’s a very narrow definition, I think most would agree that cruising through games is seen as unprofessional.
 

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yeah, for 1 game in 8 when he has his bi-monthly worldie.
Barely know he's playing in the other 5.
And he has a mare losing the ball, and misses penalties and easy shots which costs us goals and points, in 1 or 2.
And when he plays, he has to be top boy, so everything has to go through him, which impacts quality and contribution of others.

Net net, no impact, and perhaps even worse.
Yeah yeah already been there and done that. We are worse without him, it's a fact. Don't let it eat at you.
 

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Taking penalties like a dickhead is unprofessional.
 

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Back at Carrington today. Seems like he'll be having more tests then back in training.

Back before you know it :drool:
 

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Back at Carrington today. Seems like he'll be having more tests then back in training.

Back before you know it :drool:
I don't think Pogba will be back as soon as people hope. We might see him in short spells as a substitute in the next couple of weeks, match fitness is very important before starting games after a long injury.
 

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I don't think Pogba will be back as soon as people hope. We might see him in short spells as a substitute in the next couple of weeks, match fitness is very important before starting games after a long injury.
Oh yeah, 1-2 weeks minimum unfortunately.

Pogba is a naturally fit guy though so it shouldn't take him long to get back up to speed. The main issue is if he's pain free or not.
 

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Oh yeah, 1-2 weeks minimum unfortunately.

Pogba is a naturally fit guy though so it shouldn't take him long to get back up to speed. The main issue is if he's pain free or not.
What actually worries me is that foot and ankle injuries seem to easily turn into chronic issues for athletes and if I'm not mistaken he already missed three months for that type of injury in 2016 or 2017. I wouldn't be surprised if ends up being genuinely injury prone.
 

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What actually worries me is that foot and ankle injuries seem to easily turn into chronic issues for athletes and if I'm not mistaken he already missed three months for that type of injury in 2016 or 2017. I wouldn't be surprised if ends up being genuinely injury prone.
I think he’s probably been playing with this injury for a while and it’s never fully healed.

lots of times players have niggles and pain but they just soldier on and the adrenaline carries them, but sometimes they just break down and you’re forced into it. It seems like that with this.

I hope we get pogba back to his best.
 

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If you criticise Pogba you’re a racist and Islamaphobe, anti African and anti French and anti football and anti millennial and anti youth culture. Did I miss anything?
That would depend on that you criticise him for. If the criticism is based largely around his passing or shooting, no - but if it is his hair, his dancing (in his own fecking home), or for stereotypical personality traits that there have been no evidence of - then yes, quite probably at least one of the above would apply to you. Especially when players of different profiles do not get criticised for the same things.
 

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That would depend on that you criticise him for. If the criticism is based largely around his passing or shooting, no - but if it is his hair, his dancing (in his own fecking home), or for stereotypical personality traits that there have been no evidence of - then yes, quite probably at least one of the above would apply to you. Especially when players of different profiles do not get criticised for the same things.
You mean like how Rooney has been called Shrek for most of his career? How the likes of him and Shaw are constantly called "fatties"? Loads of white English players have been stereotypically scrutinised but I have never seen anyone call out the fans or media on that.
 

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What actually worries me is that foot and ankle injuries seem to easily turn into chronic issues for athletes and if I'm not mistaken he already missed three months for that type of injury in 2016 or 2017. I wouldn't be surprised if ends up being genuinely injury prone.
I really hope he doesn't end up being injury prone. Sometimes a player gets a bit of a knock and it doesn't seem too serious so they may carry on for the sake of the team but realise they made a mistake and it turns out to be worse than they thought it was going to be.
 

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You mean like how Rooney has been called Shrek for most of his career? How the likes of him and Shaw are constantly called "fatties"? Loads of white English players have been stereotypically scrutinised but I have never seen anyone call out the fans or media on that.
No, I don’t mean like that at all.

Read my post again perhaps.
 

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No, I don’t mean like that at all.

Read my post again perhaps.
Yeah but stereotypical physical traits is also part of the problem you talk about. However, like I said, I have never seen an outrage when it comes to white English players.

"Boring James Milner" comes to mind if we have to talk about traits. "Wayne Rooney has a low IQ" is another one. I'm not English so I can easily say that I've seen people from other countries or ethnicities use these way too often and not in a joking manner, but it never gets mentioned as xenophobia or racism. The biggest stereotype about the English people around Europe, specifically the white English people, is that they are "fat, ugly, stupid drunks".

What you say about Pogba being targeted due to malicious prejudice is right, I agree, but I find the hypocrisy to be strong when it's talked about as if it's on some large scale and that loads of people dislike him due to that factor. We had a conversation about the subject of celebrity life in another thread, I believe you already know what my opinion is so I won't repeat it and go too much off topic, I've done enough of that I think.
 

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Yeah but stereotypical physical traits is also part of the problem you talk about. However, like I said, I have never seen an outrage when it comes to white English players.

"Boring James Milner" comes to mind if we have to talk about traits. "Wayne Rooney has a low IQ" is another one. I'm not English so I can easily say that I've seen people from other countries or ethnicities use these way too often and not in a joking manner, but it never gets mentioned as xenophobia or racism. The biggest stereotype about the English people around Europe, specifically the white English people, is that they are "fat, ugly, stupid drunks".

What you say about Pogba being targeted due to malicious prejudice is right, I agree, but I find the hypocrisy to be strong when it's talked about as if it's on some large scale and that loads of people dislike him due to that factor. We had a conversation about the subject of celebrity life in another thread, I believe you already know what my opinion is so I won't repeat it and go too much off topic, I've done enough of that I think.
Well ultimately, it’s not a competition anyway, maybe some stereotypical remarks were made towards Rooney too.

With regards to Pogba, a Graeme Souness, your typical Cambridge journalist and probably a lot of middle-aged white men on Redcafe are not as qualified as they seem to think they are in drawing the links they do between the hairstyles Pogba uses, the music he likes and the way he dances and his attitude and professionalism. And it isn’t just a race issue, one of the other examples given in the post I responded to was ‘anti-millennial’, and that probably applies too.

There are regular comments about Pogba’s ‘silly hairstyles’ and ‘stupid dancing’, both from middle aged, often white pundits and probably a similar profile of poster on here. It’s fine if it isn’t your cup of tea, but it has gone beyond fashion assessment, to people taking a supposed position of authority on what is the ‘right way’ to behave - and Pogba’s choices do not fit into that. Who are they to say? It’s an arrogance and a superiority complex. Pogba is African. Africans like dancing. We dance when we are happy. It’s what we do. To the Sky Sports panel, it is dismissed as ‘showmanship’, and something he’s only entitled to do if he wins 10 MOTM awards in a row.

On the football pitch, some things work, others don’t. But what cannot be disputed is the role Pogba has in the team within the creative department. He’s the one expected to produce the individual brilliance to create an opening. His teammates always defer to him in hope. However, if he tries to beat a man and is dispossessed, it is never just seen as that - ‘trying to beat a man and being dispossessed’. It’s an act of ‘childishness’ and ‘selfishness’. When it comes off, it’s what he should be doing all the time. I’m watching De Bruyne play as we speak. He will never be criticised for trying an outrageous pass. He won’t really try an outrageous dribble as he is less capable of it than Pogba. But he gives the ball away just as much in the act of trying things. Marcus Rashford, to my knowledge, has never been called ‘selfish’ and ‘childish’ by a commentator or pundit for trying to take on too much. Yet he is a far worse offender than Pogba.

I’m not saying there is necessary malice. I suspect a lot of this prejudice is subconscious. Which is probably why posters are being defensive about it here. There are similarities with Raheem Sterling, and it was not until he held up a mirror to the British media that they could actually see that they were treating him so unfairly and judgementally. They were clearly embarrassed and now he’s their favourite son. But it’s not for people to say he’s making it up, people who are not in a position to say how these things make them feel. I can see it as clear as day with Pogba. It’s obviously not racism in terms of monkey chants and n-words, and because of that, everyone can say ‘we’ve come such a long way’ and racism no longer exists - but there are still many prejudices within the game. Pogba is a villain here in the UK for pretty much no reason. How many people in this thread alone have baselessly declared they have ‘had enough’ of his terrible attitude and the like? If you ask them to expand, they would struggle. A player like Roy Keane is often referenced. He’s how a footballer ‘should be’. Seemingly more professional than Pogba, because his whole character and demeanour is more relatable. He has a stern face, doesn’t dance, dresses simply, regular haircut. Well that’s good for him. But when you look at it, he’s a professional with a far worse attitude than Pogba to me. Him criticising his teammates publicly, him threatening to leave for more money in a much more brazen way than Pogba. Physically fighting his teammates. You can think he’s a better footballer than Pogba if you like, but beyond that, why is he any better a man or professional?
 

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Well ultimately, it’s not a competition anyway, maybe some stereotypical remarks were made towards Rooney too.

With regards to Pogba, a Graeme Souness, your typical Cambridge journalist and probably a lot of middle-aged white men on Redcafe are not as qualified as they seem to think they are in drawing the links they do between the hairstyles Pogba uses, the music he likes and the way he dances and his attitude and professionalism. And it isn’t just a race issue, one of the other examples given in the post I responded to was ‘anti-millennial’, and that probably applies too.

There are regular comments about Pogba’s ‘silly hairstyles’ and ‘stupid dancing’, both from middle aged, often white pundits and probably a similar profile of poster on here. It’s fine if it isn’t your cup of tea, but it has gone beyond fashion assessment, to people taking a supposed position of authority on what is the ‘right way’ to behave - and Pogba’s choices do not fit into that. Who are they to say? It’s an arrogance and a superiority complex. Pogba is African. Africans like dancing. We dance when we are happy. It’s what we do. To the Sky Sports panel, it is dismissed as ‘showmanship’, and something he’s only entitled to do if he wins 10 MOTM awards in a row.

On the football pitch, some things work, others don’t. But what cannot be disputed is the role Pogba has in the team within the creative department. He’s the one expected to produce the individual brilliance to create an opening. His teammates always defer to him in hope. However, if he tries to beat a man and is dispossessed, it is never just seen as that - ‘trying to beat a man and being dispossessed’. It’s an act of ‘childishness’ and ‘selfishness’. When it comes off, it’s what he should be doing all the time. I’m watching De Bruyne play as we speak. He will never be criticised for trying an outrageous pass. He won’t really try an outrageous dribble as he is less capable of it than Pogba. But he gives the ball away just as much in the act of trying things. Marcus Rashford, to my knowledge, has never been called ‘selfish’ and ‘childish’ by a commentator or pundit for trying to take on too much. Yet he is a far worse offender than Pogba.

I’m not saying there is necessary malice. I suspect a lot of this prejudice is subconscious. Which is probably why posters are being defensive about it here. There are similarities with Raheem Sterling, and it was not until he held up a mirror to the British media that they could actually see that they were treating him so unfairly and judgementally. They were clearly embarrassed and now he’s their favourite son. But it’s not for people to say he’s making it up, people who are not in a position to say how these things make them feel. I can see it as clear as day with Pogba. It’s obviously not racism in terms of monkey chants and n-words, and because of that, everyone can say ‘we’ve come such a long way’ and racism no longer exists - but there are still many prejudices within the game. Pogba is a villain here in the UK for pretty much no reason. How many people in this thread alone have baselessly declared they have ‘had enough’ of his terrible attitude and the like? If you ask them to expand, they would struggle. A player like Roy Keane is often referenced. He’s how a footballer ‘should be’. Seemingly more professional than Pogba, because his whole character and demeanour is more relatable. He has a stern face, doesn’t dance, dresses simply, regular haircut. Well that’s good for him. But when you look at it, he’s a professional with a far worse attitude than Pogba to me. Him criticising his teammates publicly, him threatening to leave for more money in a much more brazen way than Pogba. Physically fighting his teammates. You can think he’s a better footballer than Pogba if you like, but beyond that, why is he any better a man or professional?
I'm not saying it's a competition, I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy of how the issue is neglected when it comes to white English players.

The rest is fair enough and I have no problem with your opinion, but like I said before, you have clear biases towards Pogba and you can relate to him a lot more than some other fans do so you take some of the criticism to heart. The same way others can relate to Keane, as you stated, and they see nothing wrong with his behaviour.

Fans will always question players' character based on what is shown in public and in the media. The reason is that most footballers are global celebrities now and with all the positives they gain from that status, there will always be negatives. It doesn't mean that most of that comes from a place of subconscious racism or xenophobia. Nobody actually knows these people in real life but they will be judged based on what is shown in public and that ultimately comes with the job. It's why they earn millions for kicking a ball - the scrutiny, expectations and attention is so big that it takes more than just talent to be successful, you need the right mentality and discipline to not let all that get to you.
 

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Well ultimately, it’s not a competition anyway, maybe some stereotypical remarks were made towards Rooney too.

With regards to Pogba, a Graeme Souness, your typical Cambridge journalist and probably a lot of middle-aged white men on Redcafe are not as qualified as they seem to think they are in drawing the links they do between the hairstyles Pogba uses, the music he likes and the way he dances and his attitude and professionalism. And it isn’t just a race issue, one of the other examples given in the post I responded to was ‘anti-millennial’, and that probably applies too.

There are regular comments about Pogba’s ‘silly hairstyles’ and ‘stupid dancing’, both from middle aged, often white pundits and probably a similar profile of poster on here. It’s fine if it isn’t your cup of tea, but it has gone beyond fashion assessment, to people taking a supposed position of authority on what is the ‘right way’ to behave - and Pogba’s choices do not fit into that. Who are they to say? It’s an arrogance and a superiority complex. Pogba is African. Africans like dancing. We dance when we are happy. It’s what we do. To the Sky Sports panel, it is dismissed as ‘showmanship’, and something he’s only entitled to do if he wins 10 MOTM awards in a row.

On the football pitch, some things work, others don’t. But what cannot be disputed is the role Pogba has in the team within the creative department. He’s the one expected to produce the individual brilliance to create an opening. His teammates always defer to him in hope. However, if he tries to beat a man and is dispossessed, it is never just seen as that - ‘trying to beat a man and being dispossessed’. It’s an act of ‘childishness’ and ‘selfishness’. When it comes off, it’s what he should be doing all the time. I’m watching De Bruyne play as we speak. He will never be criticised for trying an outrageous pass. He won’t really try an outrageous dribble as he is less capable of it than Pogba. But he gives the ball away just as much in the act of trying things. Marcus Rashford, to my knowledge, has never been called ‘selfish’ and ‘childish’ by a commentator or pundit for trying to take on too much. Yet he is a far worse offender than Pogba.

I’m not saying there is necessary malice. I suspect a lot of this prejudice is subconscious. Which is probably why posters are being defensive about it here. There are similarities with Raheem Sterling, and it was not until he held up a mirror to the British media that they could actually see that they were treating him so unfairly and judgementally. They were clearly embarrassed and now he’s their favourite son. But it’s not for people to say he’s making it up, people who are not in a position to say how these things make them feel. I can see it as clear as day with Pogba. It’s obviously not racism in terms of monkey chants and n-words, and because of that, everyone can say ‘we’ve come such a long way’ and racism no longer exists - but there are still many prejudices within the game. Pogba is a villain here in the UK for pretty much no reason. How many people in this thread alone have baselessly declared they have ‘had enough’ of his terrible attitude and the like? If you ask them to expand, they would struggle. A player like Roy Keane is often referenced. He’s how a footballer ‘should be’. Seemingly more professional than Pogba, because his whole character and demeanour is more relatable. He has a stern face, doesn’t dance, dresses simply, regular haircut. Well that’s good for him. But when you look at it, he’s a professional with a far worse attitude than Pogba to me. Him criticising his teammates publicly, him threatening to leave for more money in a much more brazen way than Pogba. Physically fighting his teammates. You can think he’s a better footballer than Pogba if you like, but beyond that, why is he any better a man or professional?
Agree with most of what you've said. Im of african descent so i too can relate more to pogba than the average middle aged white man. You did leave me scratching my head when you said he isn't childish on the pitch. Im very unbiased so I believe i can go ahead and tell you this is far from the truth. De bruyne loses the ball alot but is not the type of player to shoot at goal when 3 on 1 with two strikers ahead of him. Thats where the frustration comes with fans. The selfishness comes from him trying to get on the scoresheet instead of making sure we have at least secured the game. To deny Pogba is sometimes selfish or has a bit of immaturity to his game is a bit much.

Also how do you explain a player of his quality getting dispossessed more than 8 times as a midfielder in numerous games? You could argue him misplacing passes which would be more in line as a midfielder but getting dispossessed that much shows you he would rather identify as a winger playing in the center. He could decide to release the ball quicker but wants to try tricks in the middle of the park when playing defensive midfielder. It all points back to his immaturity as a player which has been rightfully called out.

I dont want to take away from your main message as to how we view him in the media or to how we try to discredit his professionalism in comparison to past players like keane but i just had to call out that little bit in regards to him. It also doesn't help that we have simpletons like souness who would rather focus on Pogbas private life and decisons when analyzing his football games. Its all a mess really.
 

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Previously him going would be a huge blow, but after this season's output and availability, way less of one unfortunately.

Would still be odd to see it happen in Jan though.
 

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Heh! Yeah, that pretty much sums up Pogba's return to United, doesn't it?

Staying as positive as one can be under the circumstances, though: I don't think he's on bad terms with Ole. Which is something (as long as Ole remains in charge).

Get McTominay back, play a trio of McTom (yeah, yeah - I know, but still), Fred (yeah, yeah - I know, but still) and Pogba - as a designated AM - behind a trio of Rashford, Martial and James...and: yeah, yeah - I know, but still.

If he's motivated and fit, he's an asset (obviously). And regardless of his (and Raiola's) ultimate intentions, he'll be keen on playing - and playing well - until the end of the season for multiple reasons.

The last part holds true even if he goes back to being used as part of a double pivot (which I think is a mistake - but there you go, Ole has made several comments I don't exactly like in that regard).

If someone actually coughs up 150m for him in January, we should take it and run. But I doubt that will happen. My prediction: either we bring in significant upgrades (or at least a single significant upgrade) in January, go on a decent run with Pogba in the team, in which case he might be willing to sign up for a new contract) - or we continue to just about limp along in a more or less deplorable fashion (with Pogba in the team in some capacity or other), in which case he'll leave come summer.
 

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Like a new signing but, only if he doesn't get shunted into a midfield 2 with whomever. What has worked well for recently is that Fred has tended to move the ball forward more quickly and so has McTomminay to a degree. With Pogba back, while it was a nice idea to try and have him quarterback and create from deep, it was problematic.

Yes, if he can do his shielding thing and then break the lines, it can lead to some opportunities to hit teams at pace but, most of the time it causes us to lose the ball deeper in midfield or just lose any momentum. Fred's passing has been a lot better and the onus on the two is not to dally on the ball. Not only that they also give us that shield defensively.

Pogba playing higher up the field, having the running of Rashford/Martial/James and also being able to combine with them will be a lot better, He can overload on the left with Rashford and William/Shaw as well and have a player that will take more attention away from the front 3.
 

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It's not often you see 'Pogba' and 'good' in the same sentence.
 

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Yet he’s been our best outfield player since his return. But yeah we’ve been poor as a club.
I'd put a few ahead of him. Including Brandon Williams, Daniel James and Wan-Bissaka. Sometimes effort goes a bit further than the occasional killing pass.
 

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I'd put a few ahead of him. Including Brandon Williams, Daniel James and Wan-Bissaka. Sometimes effort goes a bit further than the occasional killing pass.
What about points per game, goal involvements, chances created etc? Where do they stack up when deciding who the better player has been?
 

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Can't get excited about his return. He's a player that needs quality around him both as protection and liberation for his talents. We have neither that nor a manager that can get the best out of him.
the amazing run with Ole as interim manager was a testament to Pogba's influence in the right circumstances. Soon as Ole's management started to take hold, Pogba was back deep and the quality missing
 

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Can't get excited about his return. He's a player that needs quality around him both as protection and liberation for his talents. We have neither that nor a manager that can get the best out of him.
the amazing run with Ole as interim manager was a testament to Pogba's influence in the right circumstances. Soon as Ole's management started to take hold, Pogba was back deep and the quality missing
Couple of points:

1) So are you saying there's no quality in this United side other than Pogba? How did Pogba protect and liberate himself during the amazing Ole run?

2) What are the right circumstances? Do you think the team wasn't coached during the amazing Ole run and they just did what they fancied?

3) Can you recall what Ole said about Pogba and how he sees him as a player?

4) Can you recall how deep Pogba often plays for France and what he's said himself about the role?
 

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Couple of points:

1) So are you saying there's no quality in this United side other than Pogba? How did Pogba protect and liberate himself during the amazing Ole run?
Yes, in midfield. As big a fan I am of McTominay he's still young and developing. During that run. Haha thanks for the layup: Ander Herrera. Take him out and our capitulation form begins.
2) What are the right circumstances? Do you think the team wasn't coached during the amazing Ole run and they just did what they fancied?
very much so! He just told them to go play with freedom. The first real chance to stamp some authority into the team was thru a full preseason and after that Pogba was playing deep again. And the club as a whole? Well... the table doesn't lie. We may yet improve but can only give you a reflection based on the present.
3) Can you recall what Ole said about Pogba and how he sees him as a player?
Ole is all talk and no action. I mean, he said he fancied Axel in DM. That's immediately a short term solution to let Pogba play further up. Alas, neither that nor did we buy midfielders of any quality. Until Ole speaks out publicly on Ed not fulfilling transfers then he's complicit. And I take everything the man says with a grain of salt because I have very big suspicions based on the events thus far
4) Can you recall how deep Pogba often plays for France and what he's said himself about the role?
Bit silly and contradictory unless you actually believe United have more quality than France. And if that's the case, then whoooopie fun times

Pogba has also claimed he wanted to be a mix up of the best of Zidane, Pirlo, Scholes, Gerrard and even Lampard.
 

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Yes, in midfield. As big a fan I am of McTominay he's still young and developing. During that run. Haha thanks for the layup: Ander Herrera. Take him out and our capitulation form begins.

very much so! He just told them to go play with freedom. The first real chance to stamp some authority into the team was thru a full preseason and after that Pogba was playing deep again. And the club as a whole? Well... the table doesn't lie. We may yet improve but can only give you a reflection based on the present.

Ole is all talk and no action. I mean, he said he fancied Axel in DM. That's immediately a short term solution to let Pogba play further up. Alas, neither that nor did we buy midfielders of any quality. Until Ole speaks out publicly on Ed not fulfilling transfers then he's complicit. And I take everything the man says with a grain of salt because I have very big suspicions based on the events thus far

Bit silly and contradictory unless you actually believe United have more quality than France. And if that's the case, then whoooopie fun times

Pogba has also claimed he wanted to be a mix up of the best of Zidane, Pirlo, Scholes, Gerrard and even Lampard.
I'm sorry I can't accept that for 15 games Ole and the coaching staff sat at Carrington smoking cigars watching the team coach itself then on match day 16 Ole turned to Phelan, stubbed out his Cigar and said 'Right, the boys have done fantastic on their own but Eds on my back so we best try and coach them a bit. It's the United way'. Cue Mike digging out his shorts and whistling at Carrick and McKenna to follow him over to the training pitch, tell Pogba to play deep and coach the squad to defeat.

Just doesn't sound right you know? Can't put my finger on why.
 

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He's definitely injured. However can't see him here beyond Jan. Madrid will come with a swap deal I guess.
I wonder if Madrid will have €€€ in Jan but considering our midfield state if we can sell him to get two decent midfielders (Bruno Fernandes etc) we should
 

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I'm sorry I can't accept that for 15 games Ole and the coaching staff sat at Carrington smoking cigars watching the team coach itself then on match day 16 Ole turned to Phelan, stubbed out his Cigar and said 'Right, the boys have done fantastic on their own but Eds on my back so we best try and coach them a bit. It's the United way'. Cue Mike digging out his shorts and whistling at Carrick and McKenna to follow him over to the training pitch, tell Pogba to play deep and coach the squad to defeat.

Just doesn't sound right you know? Can't put my finger on why.
It's exactly what happened. Interim manager. Lift the mood. Play with freedom. Things going smoothly til a couple injuries hit and the balance wihh Herrera is done.

Now they've got to actually figure out a solution. So move Pogba back as is the very basic by default option without the right midfield tools. And voila the clown cart continues to roll and the wheels start to fall apart.

Summer cometh and hey, let's not buy another midfielder. Pogba talks openly about leaving. Hey let's rely entirely on him, Pereira can do a job. And Bam injury to Paul , rumors he won't play again for United, absolutely emptu In the center of the park . But even before then looking like a very poorly coached side.

There may be some in between truth between where I am and what you're imagining. But it still lies way South of the competent manager and decent squad line.
 

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It's exactly what happened. Interim manager. Lift the mood. Play with freedom. Things going smoothly til a couple injuries hit and the balance wihh Herrera is done.

Now they've got to actually figure out a solution. So move Pogba back as is the very basic by default option without the right midfield tools. And voila the clown cart continues to roll and the wheels start to fall apart.

Summer cometh and hey, let's not buy another midfielder. Pogba talks openly about leaving. Hey let's rely entirely on him, Pereira can do a job. And Bam injury to Paul , rumors he won't play again for United, absolutely emptu In the center of the park . But even before then looking like a very poorly coached side.

There may be some in between truth between where I am and what you're imagining. But it still lies way South of the competent manager and decent squad line.
What are the rumours he won't play for United again? Or just stuff from the Caf? I've seen Pogba say quite the opposite.
 

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What are the rumours he won't play for United again? Or just stuff from the Caf? I've seen Pogba say quite the opposite.
Sshh anything negative in the media = 100% fact
Anything positive in the media = 100% ignore it never happened
 

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What are the rumours he won't play for United again? Or just stuff from the Caf? I've seen Pogba say quite the opposite.
Do people really think that? I thought this was more a general thread of whether Pogba will leave.

For what it's worth I think he absolutely wants to leave ASAP and is overrated but is genuinely injured and his return will improve us.