Is Pogba as good as gone?

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Are you really surprised that Pogba procures private medical expertise? Anything less than that with his body’s earning potential would be negligent.
Not surprised that Pogba would have his own preferred doctors it was the way Ole indicated that they made the decision over the club when most decisions like this would be taken with the agreement of the club. All top players have specialist the trust but most will also be trusted by the clubs.
 

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Not surprised that Pogba would have his own preferred doctors it was the way Ole indicated that they made the decision over the club when most decisions like this would be taken with the agreement of the club. All top players have specialist the trust but most will also be trusted by the clubs.
But they will say whatever his entourage wants them to say when it’s getting messy like this.
 

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He should speak to Mino Raiola about Mino Raiola's comments.
If the club would severe relations with him we'd be losing very little and it would teach the bastard a lesson, he'd lose one of his main milking cows.
This fecker dragged the club's name on the mud and we'll keep filling his pockets. Sad times for MUFC.
 

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He should speak to Mino Raiola about Mino Raiola's comments.
If the club would severe relations with him we'd be losing very little and it would teach the bastard a lesson, he'd lose one of his main milking cows.
This fecker dragged the club's name on the mud and we'll keep filling his pockets. Sad times for MUFC.
judging by his latest quotes he clearly isn't bothered severing ties with us
 

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I think it's crazy if Pogba and other players continue to want Raiola as an agent:

Why would Pogba accept an agent who talks like that about his employer? That puts Pogba in a really bad light both in United and in all other clubs. And why does any player at all want to have an agent who is "in war" with one of the richest clubs in the world. Raiola says he is considering not trading with United anymore. So it will be a problem to get to one of the world's richest clubs paying the best salary in PL, if you have Raiola as an agent. I never wanted such a person to represent me.
 

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I think it's crazy if Pogba and other players continue to want Raiola as an agent:

Why would Pogba accept an agent who talks like that about his employer? That puts Pogba in a really bad light both in United and in all other clubs. And why does any player at all want to have an agent who is "in war" with one of the richest clubs in the world. Raiola says he is considering not trading with United anymore. So it will be a problem to get to one of the world's richest clubs paying the best salary in PL, if you have Raiola as an agent. I never wanted such a person to represent me.
Raiola is more powerful than United. Look at his clients and their contracts and you will see why players flock to him. And he will get Pogba his move this summer and force the club. If I was a player he would be my choice of agent
 

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Raiola is more powerful than United. Look at his clients and their contracts and you will see why players flock to him. And he will get Pogba his move this summer and force the club. If I was a player he would be my choice of agent
Plenty of successful clubs that don’t deal with raiola players.

We never dealt with raiola players in our pomp. He’s burned bridges with Barcelona, United. Real Madrid have a weird relationship with him and generally prefer not dealing with him.

raiola is just a fat waiter, that may burn a lot of bridges with top clubs at this rate.
 

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I think it's crazy if Pogba and other players continue to want Raiola as an agent:

Why would Pogba accept an agent who talks like that about his employer? That puts Pogba in a really bad light both in United and in all other clubs. And why does any player at all want to have an agent who is "in war" with one of the richest clubs in the world. Raiola says he is considering not trading with United anymore. So it will be a problem to get to one of the world's richest clubs paying the best salary in PL, if you have Raiola as an agent. I never wanted such a person to represent me.
have you ever considered the other and more probable explanation in that Pogba knows exactly what his fat agent was going to say? In this day and age and the connectivity between a superstar player and his agent, you really think Riola would say something that jarring without his client knowing? The fat turd is his mother piece and is sending the club a msg without the player needing to tarnish his own image doing so. Pogba’s fans want him to stay, and we all understand why as he is a wonderful talent.But he wants to go. Let him as long as we get a good return.
 

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Plenty of successful clubs that don’t deal with raiola players.

We never dealt with raiola players in our pomp. He’s burned bridges with Barcelona, United. Real Madrid have a weird relationship with him and generally prefer not dealing with him.

raiola is just a fat waiter, that may burn a lot of bridges with top clubs at this rate.
That's a myth.
 

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You’re a myth
Nice answer. :lol:

But there isn't a club that actively not deal with Raiola. The reality is that he doesn't have a lot of clients which means that not all clubs can even have one of his client and his biggest clients are either in a top club like Juventus, Real Madrid or are in clubs that they have had no intention to leave like Donnarumma, Verratti and Insigne. While the majority of his clients are average to below average players.
 

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You know there's a problem with a player if the manager needs to have a word with him about disrespecting the club.
 

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Nice answer. :lol:

But there isn't a club that actively not deal with Raiola. The reality is that he doesn't have a lot of clients which means that not all clubs can even have one of his client and his biggest clients are either in a top club like Juventus, Real Madrid or are in clubs that they have had no intention to leave like Donnarumma, Verratti and Insigne. While the majority of his clients are average to below average players.
What does that say about Pogba?
 

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Nope. Real Madrid doesn't have a single Raiola player and the fact that he represents Pogba is one of the biggest roadblocks for Zidane to get his man.
They have Areola. Also didn't Perez said that they tried to sign Pogba but United weren't even entertaining the idea?
 
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He'll probably end up at PSG because they're the only club that's willing to deal with Riola and afford what we want for Pogba.
 

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At this point, if a swap deal is possible, get Juventus to give us Rabiot, Can, Demiral & Costa.
 

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I just couldn't imagine a player like Kroos coming here with any sort of drive and determination to succeed. He's achieved it all, would he have the hunger for the fight we've currently got? I don't see it.
 

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We should go for someone like Brozović.
This summer I suggested to sell Lukaku for Brozovic and some cash. I don't know if Inter would have done it but it was worth a try.
 

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Stop bringing up SAF. He wanted him to stay. He's also not the first to leave in search of better opportunities. One thing is certain, name any top player who has played here in the past you like, not one would stay for this car-crash of a team/management with no chance of winning in sight. Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Rooney, Ferdinand would be straight out of the door at the first chance too.

RVP done exactly that, leaving the losers Arsenal to come here to win trophies.

It's obviously hard to accept for fans that we're now in the same situation as Arsenal those years ago, hence all the vitriol towards Pogba. But fans should be directing their frustrations towards Woodward/Glazers who have turned us into this.
Good exactly if he doesn't want to be at OT in the car crash , just say so, his agent has always something to say because he wants to move him on for his fee!! As for SAF, yes he wanted him to stay, but again listened to his Agent and was not willing to wait for his chance, so went for the money , agent happy. RVP was on his last big contract, not a player who can play another 6 years or more. Giggs could have gone stayed, at the time wages were never as big as they are now, Giggs one agent, whole career , way well still have same one. Personalities differ, attitudes differ, Pogba is a top player , as I've already said, being used by a agent, he cannot see it.

Im glad OT have said they will not be dealing with any Mino Riola players any more, perhaps that's why he's now thrown his toys out of the pram. I think it's better for the trio, Pogba moves away. He can do what he gets paid for then, play!
 

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Good exactly if he doesn't want to be at OT in the car crash , just say so, his agent has always something to say because he wants to move him on for his fee!! As for SAF, yes he wanted him to stay, but again listened to his Agent and was not willing to wait for his chance, so went for the money , agent happy.

Im glad OT have said they will not be dealing with any Mino Riola players any more, perhaps that's why he's now thrown his toys out of the pram. I think it's better for the trio, Pogba moves away. He can do what he gets paid for then, play!
Have they?
 

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Raiola is more powerful than United. Look at his clients and their contracts and you will see why players flock to him. And he will get Pogba his move this summer and force the club. If I was a player he would be my choice of agent
Nope, I had a look at his clients list and no big club is doing business with him but us and PSG. None of their big players are client of this fat prick.

If that cnut continues to make war with everyone and fall out with big clubs like this his big players gonna all leave him one day.
 

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Nope, I had a look at his clients list and no big club is doing business with him but us and PSG. None of their big players are client of this fat prick.

If that cnut continues to make war with everyone and fall out with big clubs like this his big players gonna all leave him one day.
if a club wants a player he has, they will make a deal. Football is business. Lets not act like clubs act on moral grounds. United did deal with him despite his past with fergie and how pogba left. The club cant go war with him now because they are desperate to keep pogba
 

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Nope, I had a look at his clients list and no big club is doing business with him but us and PSG. None of their big players are client of this fat prick.

If that cnut continues to make war with everyone and fall out with big clubs like this his big players gonna all leave him one day.
Weren't Barcelona supposedly quite interested in Verratti and De Ligt? Real signed Areola this summer.

When clubs think they can get a great player, who fits their style, for an affordable price I doubt they very much care about who his agent is.
 
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if a club wants a player he has, they will make a deal. Football is business. Lets not act like clubs act on moral grounds. United did deal with him despite his past with fergie and how pogba left. The club cant go war with him now because they are desperate to keep pogba
It's just a fact that most of the big clubs are currently not doing any business with him. I don't think it's anything moral here, it seems he is just bad business to them imo.

And I don't think being nice with this fat prick will help us to keep Pogba, whether we're desperate or not. The guy clearly wants out and as you said, it's all business.

Weren't Barcelona supposedly quite interested in Verratti and De Ligt? Real signed Areola this summer.

When clubs think they can get a great player, who fits their style, for an affordable price I doubt they very much care about who his agent is.
Now you mention it and I've just realised De Ligt is not on the list, pretty weird.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mino-raiola/beraterfirma/berater/282

Of course they won't really care about who is the agent is but imo there must be a reason only us, PSG and Juve had big transfers done with this cnut.

And Barcelona? This twat just slagged them off few days ago I think:

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2020/...ach-for-missing-out-on-big-name-transfer/amp/
 
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He should speak to Mino Raiola about Mino Raiola's comments.
If the club would severe relations with him we'd be losing very little and it would teach the bastard a lesson, he'd lose one of his main milking cows.
This fecker dragged the club's name on the mud and we'll keep filling his pockets. Sad times for MUFC.
Pogba has to distance himself from the quotes to be fair. It doesn't reflect well on Pogba at all because it looks like his agent is speaking for him. Not only that, if Pogba does leave what are his options going to be? No other club is going to look at what's going on and ask to be a part of this circus when his contract is up for renewal. Pogba's allowing this guy to sabotage his career, once the big clubs refuse to work with Raiola he won't have dibs on the best clients and then he's done. Your reputation is everything in football.
 

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Pogba has to distance himself from the quotes to be fair. It doesn't reflect well on Pogba at all because it looks like his agent is speaking for him. Not only that, if Pogba does leave what are his options going to be? No other club is going to look at what's going on and ask to be a part of this circus when his contract is up for renewal. Pogba's allowing this guy to sabotage his career, once the big clubs refuse to work with Raiola he won't have dibs on the best clients and then he's done. Your reputation is everything in football.
His agent is speaking for him. What player who is happy with his club and want to stay will be ok with his agent insult the club in public? Pogba want to leave, and this is where a good agent come in hand. He will do the dirty job to force a move
 

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It's just a fact that most of the big clubs are currently not doing any business with him. I don't think it's anything moral here, it seems he is just bad business to them imo.

And I don't think being nice with this fat prick will help us to keep Pogba, whether we're desperate or not. The guy clearly wants out and as you said, it's all business.
Your conclusion is a bit strange because it's based on nothing tangible. Raiola historically works in two markets, dutch and italian, he ended up expending to the french market due to Maxwell's relationship with some of his french teammates. Most players will use local agents and there is a lot of agencies or independent agents so all clubs will have clients from dozens of agencies and not all agencies will be represented in big clubs at all time, not even the big ones. As an example currently if I'm not mistaken Bayern doesn't have a single client from Gestifute and it tells nothing about their relationship other than Bayern currently has no interest in their clients.
 

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Your conclusion is a bit strange because it's based on nothing tangible. Raiola historically works in two markets, dutch and italian, he ended up expending to the french market due to Maxwell's relationship with some of his french teammates. Most players will use local agents and there is a lot of agencies or independent agents so all clubs will have clients from dozens of agencies and not all agencies will be represented in big clubs at all time, not even the big ones. As an example currently if I'm not mistaken Bayern doesn't have a single client from Gestifute and it tells nothing about their relationship other than Bayern currently has no interest in their clients.
I don't really get what you mean tbh. Your conclusion is "Your conclusion is a bit strange because it's based on nothing tangible." then you process to list down the markets of Raiola, then "most players will use local agents" etc. Raiola is the local agent of Pogba or Verrati ?

Btw I did a quick check and it seems De Ligt has switched agent. His current agent is some Barry Hulshoff. Any idea if this is true ?

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/matthijs-de-ligt/profil/spieler/326031
 

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I don't really get what you mean tbh. Your conclusion is "Your conclusion is a bit strange because it's based on nothing tangible." then you process to list down the markets of Raiola, then "most players will use local agents" etc. Raiola is the local agent of Pogba or Verrati ?

Btw I did a quick check and it seems De Ligt has switched agent. His current agent is some Barry Hulshoff. Any idea if this is true ?

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/matthijs-de-ligt/profil/spieler/326031
Pogba switched agent before his move to Juventus, Verratti is an italian player who had issues with his previous agent and fired him, Raiola is the agent of one of his friends, Insigne, and is to close to one of PSG's technical directors, Maxwell. From memory Raiola was only used for the move away from Ajax, he isn't De Ligt agent what he currently is, is a mystery.
 

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Pogba switched agent before his move to Juventus, Verratti is an italian player who had issues with his previous agent and fired him, Raiola is the agent of one of his friends, Insigne, and is to close to one of PSG's technical directors, Maxwell. From memory Raiola was only used for the move away from Ajax, he isn't De Ligt agent what he currently is, is a mystery.
Honestly I still don't get what all this has to do with my conclusion :confused:
 

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Honestly I still don't get what all this has to do with my conclusion :confused:
You said that he is just bad business for them based on nothing tangible. The fact that an agent isn't currently represented in some clubs tells you nothing about the general dynamic between the agent and the clubs in question. And it's mainly due to the fact that agents rarely have more than a handful of players worthy of big clubs, with the exception of Gestifute and a couple of other big agencies.

You can check for yourself the biggest agencies/agents are the likes of Gestifute(Mendes), Stellar Football(Barnett), SEG, Otin or Raiola.