I think we need to get rid of Pogba to rebuild the side. Although I'm a huge fan but I don't think he has his mind set on playing or being at United for long. I would like us to bring in Bruno, (box-to-box midfielder) & a destroyer DM.
Is Pogba as good as gone?
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Not with this current squad/manager/boardroom. I do honestly believe he would be interested in playing out his career at United if we were challenging for the League and Champions League consistently. We don't NEED to replace him just give him the best tools to win trophies, its what all of us want as well. A great majority of the cafe aren't happy with where we are as a club currently so why should we expect him to feel differently? Giving up on the team is terrible but you cant begrudge him it if he wants to go on to actually win things.
I don't begrudge him if he choose his own career over us, I would too.
I don't begrudge him, having given us what? 3 years of his prime?
I don't begrudge him for wanting to give us a chance (although wages helps), when we're not at our best, thank you. Wish him luck.
What i do blame him is that I see (and this is my personal opinion) that he's stop giving us his all in the last years, everytime I see him playing I feel as if he's showcasing his ability where it's not necessary and made him lose possession stupidly. It feels to me as if he just want to keep his stock up and not caring about whether it's the best or not for the club.
well, if he wants to stay he'll stay. If he wants to leave, he'll leave. I'm not holding my breath.
Maybe once he's back, he'll enjoy playing with martial, James and rashford in front of him and a relatively solid defence behind. It could change his mind.
Though if his mind is set on leaving then I'd happily let him go. The money can be used to build a new midfield
Though if his mind is set on leaving then I'd happily let him go. The money can be used to build a new midfield
This is the best summation of Pogba I have ever seen here. Makes perfect sense. No agenda or biases.
I think so too. He's a good player but there's just too much of a circus round his presence in the team. If we can get good money for him, and reinvest it, I think that would be best for all parties.
I think he remains a 23 year old in the way he plays, though this season I felt he was playing more maturely up to the injury. I don't think that's entirely his fault, his teammates and the coaching set-up haven't developed him as he could have developed elsewhere.
+ 100 £m
?If his heart's gone let him go then use the money to get 2 decent mid who actually want to play for us ?
He is off, his head has been turned by a promise of more wages and silverware. Get at least £120m for him and we will have do e well.
Aye, he wants out. Can’t blame him 100% but he plainly doesn’t dedicate himself to the team. Constantly has that oaf of an agent in his ear, he’ll Play for a few clubs yet, netting his man a tidy sum and never enjoying the regard he should, given his talent. We won’t miss him, although I’d love to keep him If motivated.
He'll spend so long out this season, that when we sell him in the summer, even his staunchest fans will say, fair play, right decision.
I always thought he was underwhelming considering the hype when at Juventus. Apart from some long range goals I was always less than impressed.
Silverware yes. I doubt he'll get higher wages anywhere else than what we'd be offering him to sign a new contract.
Stranger things have happened. I think his agent is poison though.
We are in a win-win situation with Pogba really.
When he returns we'll be even better, especially as Martial, James, Rashford and McTominay are really looking much better now.
He is an unbelievable improvement on Pereira, Mata or Lingard.
When we sell him, we receive big money to buy any alternative we want, with change. Be that Bruno Fernandes or Maddison.
De Gea
AWB Tuanzabe Maguire Williams
Fred McTominay Pogba
James Martial Rashford
is a team capable of Top 4 or Winning Europa League.
When he returns we'll be even better, especially as Martial, James, Rashford and McTominay are really looking much better now.
He is an unbelievable improvement on Pereira, Mata or Lingard.
When we sell him, we receive big money to buy any alternative we want, with change. Be that Bruno Fernandes or Maddison.
De Gea
AWB Tuanzabe Maguire Williams
Fred McTominay Pogba
James Martial Rashford
is a team capable of Top 4 or Winning Europa League.
Only four clubs could realistically afford to pay his transfer fees of at least €130m, maybe more: Barca, Real Madrid, PSG and City. I don’t think that Barca and City have overtly expressed an interest in him. That leaves Madrid and PSG.
Madrid wants Mbappe, and I can’t imagine a scenario where they get Mbappe and Pogba. 500m are the kinds of numbers they are talking for Mbappe. If Mbappe goes to Real, you have to figure PSG keeps Neymar and Pogba goes to PSG.
The Juventus link is just a smokescreen. They would need to sell Dybala and another player (DeLigt?) to even make it work.
I actually think Pogba might be here for another season unless the Mbappe domino falls....
Madrid wants Mbappe, and I can’t imagine a scenario where they get Mbappe and Pogba. 500m are the kinds of numbers they are talking for Mbappe. If Mbappe goes to Real, you have to figure PSG keeps Neymar and Pogba goes to PSG.
The Juventus link is just a smokescreen. They would need to sell Dybala and another player (DeLigt?) to even make it work.
I actually think Pogba might be here for another season unless the Mbappe domino falls....
He is absolutely World Class. A beast. Vision. Strength. Skill. Great in the air. Powerful.
But what’s the F-ing point of it’s for two or three minutes here and there in the odd game?
I’d rather someone of slightly less quality but is prepared to put a shift in for the full 90 minutes.
It’ll be interesting to see how he performs when he’s back but if it carries on where he left off then bin him. Awesome on Social media though.
But what’s the F-ing point of it’s for two or three minutes here and there in the odd game?
I’d rather someone of slightly less quality but is prepared to put a shift in for the full 90 minutes.
It’ll be interesting to see how he performs when he’s back but if it carries on where he left off then bin him. Awesome on Social media though.
He's a bit overrated. No doubt a world class player but he has deficiencies in his game that require heavy balancing of the team which in my opinion can cause hindrances as much as positives.
Play him further up the field & he isn't exactly De Bryune even if he is the best we have.
Play him further back & he isn't exactly Kante.
Play him right in the middle and you don't get the most consistent player either.
I don't want him gone, but if he wants to go - neither do I think he is going to exactly rip a league under a very good tactical coach either.
Play him further up the field & he isn't exactly De Bryune even if he is the best we have.
Play him further back & he isn't exactly Kante.
Play him right in the middle and you don't get the most consistent player either.
I don't want him gone, but if he wants to go - neither do I think he is going to exactly rip a league under a very good tactical coach either.
I think Pogba will excel in La Liga, where the standard of competition is considerably weaker beyond the top few clubs.
His flashy lifestyle will be a little more appreciated too. Not like over here, where the media use it against him.
You guys just stressing yourselves. If pogba will leave its a discussion for the summer. He is not playing now because he is injured. When he is fit, he will play. And according to his Instagram posts he is clearly very eager to return to playing.
If he will leave that’s a discussion for the summer. If he does leave, we get money(which I doubt will be used well because we already need more quality in midfield. So even replacing pogba we still need more quality). If he doesn’t leave, we have him and I hope the club buys more quality to join him.
If he will leave that’s a discussion for the summer. If he does leave, we get money(which I doubt will be used well because we already need more quality in midfield. So even replacing pogba we still need more quality). If he doesn’t leave, we have him and I hope the club buys more quality to join him.
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He's a top quality player but there's no point holding onto a £100-150m asset who doesn't want to be there much longer.
Sometimes it's important to know when it's right to sell a player. Daniel Levy is now finding that out, having refused to sell several players running their contracts down and it's been detrimental to the team.
Selling Pogba could fund the re-build of the midfield which United desperately need.
Sometimes it's important to know when it's right to sell a player. Daniel Levy is now finding that out, having refused to sell several players running their contracts down and it's been detrimental to the team.
Selling Pogba could fund the re-build of the midfield which United desperately need.
No doubt.
Do we have the required quality to accommodate him (in any possible role) at the moment? Probably not.
Could we realistically bring in the required quality? Possibly.
Should we - simply - sell him if he's pushing for a move himself? Definitely.
Strange that he's fit enough to play basketball with the Miami Heat during the international break but NOT fit to train for Manchester United. At the very least, the optics look poor. Something seems amiss.
I don't want to speak alot about Liverpool - but the way they got rid of Coutinho whilst he was at the top just to spread the quality across the rest of the squad was one hell of a move. If you think about it, whilst Coutinho's transfer money allowed them to bring 3 players in, it also allowed them to use their own transfer window budget freely on the rest of the players they bought afterwards.
Problem is, I genuinely don't think Pogba is rated as highly leaving United compared to when he was leaving Juventus. He's not exactly leaving on some top form like Coutinho did, if anything all he has is some good performances for France & United under his belt coupled with some good marketing ability.
Hopefully if he does go we can get good money back that we can buy 2-3 players from and not just spend £80-90 million on one player and call it a day. However as always with the lad - if he wants to stay then we will make it work.
Yes, the worry - as I see it - is that he potentially finds himself in a somewhat awkward position at the moment IF he wants out: his stock isn't that high and the potential buyers may not be keen on coughing up a huge amount for him. In order for us to do a Coutinho (so to speak), we need top dollar for him - prices are absolutely crazy these days.
That said, United don't actually need to do a Coutinho - we're richer than Liverpool were (and are). If Pogba goes, he will go for a fair amount of dosh (even if he doesn't go for 150m). The principle, if you will, still applies: get a goodish transfer fee and replace him by bringing in a couple of midfielders who will provide us with - precisely - the balance we're talking about (has to include a creative player, a genuine playmaker of some description).
Paul as talented as he is, needs WC quality around him, he's the cherry on a half eaten mouldy cake atm!
One is a low-intensity workout, the other is a high intensity 90 minute all out run-fest. The cast is off, he's good to train and work on strengthening his muscles, ligaments and balance. He's in Miami because the club sent him there as part of his recovery.
Yeah, obviously. Whatever his intentions may be, the idea that he isn't actually injured is as silly as these things get. And the fact that such ideas gain traction is a sign of the times. Conspiracy bullshit which is half advanced for a laugh - but also adopted by online idiots who believe it.
I’d say he’s pretty nailed on to leave either in January or in the summer. As long as we get top dollar for him to reinvest then it’s all good.
He’s obviously very good, but he’s a bit of a luxury player in my opinion.
He’s obviously very good, but he’s a bit of a luxury player in my opinion.
His comeback game has to be against Spurs in two weeks time and play the game of his life against Jose who had something to say in his presser today probably about Paul, i presume from his quotes
What did he say?
Taking a few shots while in street clothes doesn't constitute playing basketball. He is rehabbing in Miami. Took a few shots in street clothes while attending a Miami Heat game. Dalot went off some place to get work done and wasn't training with the team either, he posted pics and nothing amiss there, same as Pogba, it's a normal thing where players see specialists overseas. Things are only amiss when trash publications try to make headlines out of it, which they can really do out of anything.
I think his desire to leave is being massively overstated on here. It’s almost every post suggesting we have reached the point of ‘no point’. I don’t pretend to know his intentions, but is this whole unwavering and burning desire to leave thing not largely fabricated? I mean, I can’t really see some sort of sustained campaign or restlessness coming from him, or even this agent everyone hates so much. If people can look past this notion that he’s only pretending he’s injured, he ‘wants to leave’ no more than Rooney did (before signing two new contracts over another 5 years) or De Gea, before doing the same. I’m not seeing this Alexis Sanchez at Arsenal situation, or Modric/Berbatov at Spurs etc where the player is practically kicking and screaming. It’s just not there, people are exaggerating the extent to which they seem to have concluded his intentions. Unless, of course, his absence through ‘injury’ is serving as some sort of daily evidence for them, because there isn’t much else most of the time.
From what I see, and just my experience observing football over the years, Pogba is just as likely to sign a new deal here as he is to leave, and if one was to happen as early as January, then I’d put the former far more likely still. Press, as always, have their share to answer for. Pogba of course did give some ammunition at the beginning of the summer, but I think they then ran with it, knowing he’s our most popular player and tried to force a story/saga out of it (probably to create a welcome United misery story as they love). Before pre-season they were writing crap about him planning to go on strike to ‘force a move’ (which he did not for one second look like doing the entire pre-season) and even up until the final week of the window, there were ‘still time for Pogba to leave United’ stories.
I’m not naive as to think he has not/does not consider leaving. But that conclusion can be drawn before any comments of the summer, simply by doing the maths. He’s 26, there are some doubts about where the team is headed, and he may feel another club could better give him what he wants. But I don’t get the impression he is desperate to go by any stretch, there’s simply been little evidence of that, and there have been many other cases in football where there has been.
He wants to leave, it’s clear as day. Pretty sure something is lined up for January, there is no attempt by united to rush him back. Why is he in the US after being in the UAE? Feels like Ole doesn’t want him around anymore, injured players even during international breaks usually report to the club so they can monitor the progress and also because they are still being fecking paid. Only players that usually doesn’t apply to is players surplus to requirement or already one foot out the door.
It’s ‘clear as day’ to those who either want it to be, or just engage with footy from a tabloid perspective. That is not me saying he does not want to leave, but the reasoning you gave here is not even pub-level footy conjecture, it’s more suited to the playground. Even the press that love a United crisis story have no desire to attempt to force some story about the fact he went to Miami. What about all of his other insta posts? The ones that don’t support your theory? There have been plenty of him training and working in the gym.
He’ll be back in a couple of weeks and Ole won’t be able to put him back in the side quickly enough. It is likely that such a reality will change your view though, you will probably just wait around for the next ‘clue’, until he does leave, be it in January or in another 5 years.
Don’t know why you to resort to insulting the intelligence of another poster because they disagree with you.
An athlete in the gym? Who’d have thunked it.
Press have lost interest in the pogba circus as he isn’t doing anything worth writing about.
If he is here in 5 years time I will give up all my possessions and become a monk.
I didn’t insult your intelligence. You posted your view, I posted mine. An athlete in the gym is apparently where an athlete is supposed to be judging by the tone of your post, which of course implies this particular athlete was in the wrong place (and have also had the foresight to tell us the exact reason why he is in that place).
You did by saying it’s the level of a primary school level argument, my argument is that he should still be in that gym not pissing around in miami.
This is a disturbingly positive take on the Pogba affair...