Did Messi not hint at leaving the other day and turn the UK crazy?
Have Madrid benefited from Ronaldo leaving? They seem to be lacking Champions Leagues.
The truth shall set you free.
Is Pogba as good as gone?
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Have Madrid benefited from Ronaldo leaving? They seem to be lacking Champions Leagues.
The truth shall set you free.
Realistically, Messi is not leaving. He is using leverage. But again, he got too big.
Ronaldo cannot be bigger than Real Madrid. That's why he had to leave. Woe is me, they missed out on a CL after winning it 3 times in a row and are back in the saddle for the league.
Clubs outlive players even though there's been a slight shift in modern times.
Absolutely. This is just a tactic to try to make his situation untenable and lower his asking price. I hope we take a stand here and demand a top fee or he can stay locked into his contract whether or not he plays and contributes.
There are ways to leave a club.
Look at Hazard with Chelsea last season, everyone knew it was his last season and he wanted to go but he kept his head down, played well and left Chlelsea in the top 4 and with a trophy. He left for Real Madrid and Chelsea fans were upset because they knew how much they'd miss him but there was no ill will towards Hazard I don't think.
Now look at Pogba's last season here, he's barely played a game and his fat cnut agent is releasing statements personally criticising the club and the manager. It's disgraceful really.
I don't think there'll be many tears shed when he does go this summer and it'd be interesting to see what reception Pogba would get if he played at Old Trafford again with his new team. Not sure it'll be a positive one.
Look at Hazard with Chelsea last season, everyone knew it was his last season and he wanted to go but he kept his head down, played well and left Chlelsea in the top 4 and with a trophy. He left for Real Madrid and Chelsea fans were upset because they knew how much they'd miss him but there was no ill will towards Hazard I don't think.
Now look at Pogba's last season here, he's barely played a game and his fat cnut agent is releasing statements personally criticising the club and the manager. It's disgraceful really.
I don't think there'll be many tears shed when he does go this summer and it'd be interesting to see what reception Pogba would get if he played at Old Trafford again with his new team. Not sure it'll be a positive one.
Before Messi Barcelona didn’t win. Champions League until 93 ( guessing) before Ronaldo Real Madrid barely got past the last 16 let alone the final.
You can’t just make a silly claim and give a silly fact when we know football teams will always outlast players and we happen to be human beings and get older. My point is these aren’t calculated decisions with club power over the player. It’s either the players wanted to leave or the club get the most they could out of them. Which is why Messi will stay as he doesn’t want to leave and Barca still need him.
If he slapped the president tomorrow they’d probably have a meeting to get the president to apologise.
Pogba & Co are pretty classless.
Ronaldo had an outburst with the slave comment we'll never forget but Pogba has been a non-stop relentless assault on the club.
You can’t be the worst signing a club has ever made if you’re likely to make a profit when you sell him.
Pogba did a Hazard and he’s still here. Lukaku didn’t and he’s in Italy right now. So no he can’t do a Hazard. It’s doesn’t work.
What? You're saying last season Pogba got his head down and played well?
He was fecking terrible for months under Mourinho, one performance especially away to Southampton he was an utter disgrace, then really good for 2/3 months under Ole and then terrible again for the final part of the season.
After the first game of last season he did a post match woe is me interview immediately creating negative headlines.
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That has more to do with the fact that only champions qualified for the European Cup back then, and the vast majority of the time Real Madrid won the league.
I don't think he should be involved again now. He's become too much of a distraction. I'd rather have Fred and McTominay in there.
Not sure if he expects his asking price to be cut down heavily, by allowing his agent to mouth off all the time. Funny that no one wants him, unless available for a ridiculous cheap price.
Can somebody remind Pogba’s agent that he actually has a contract with this club. a club that paid a lot to get his signature!
They might be digging themselves a hole here. By making the situation untenable they might be making it harder for interested parties to follow through, as they will not be willing to buy a disruptive player with a huge risk for a lot of money. United might just decide to let his contract run out if no serious inquires comes in and Pogba can only blame himself and his agent for it at that point. At the least he'll have to take a huge paycut too.
What's the nature of his injury exactly? I remember hearing about surgery but never read about a major injury, otherwise.
We've essentially wasted a full seasons wages on a player that is anyway bound to leave soon. From a business POV this has worked out terribly for us.
We've essentially wasted a full seasons wages on a player that is anyway bound to leave soon. From a business POV this has worked out terribly for us.
Mino's post can only indicate that we're not willing to sell and he's trying to force our hand.
I'm guessing that Woody hasn't found a marketable replacement who's willing to join us, hence the desire to keep Pogba around.
Sancho might be a good bet, but I'm not 100% sure he would be willing to join us this summer.
I'm guessing that Woody hasn't found a marketable replacement who's willing to join us, hence the desire to keep Pogba around.
Sancho might be a good bet, but I'm not 100% sure he would be willing to join us this summer.
Jose was not entirely wrong in calling him out. The circus surrounding him and his agent is just not worth it. Yeah, he's an exceptionally talented player but he's no messi or ronaldo.
The juve team he left has simply continued winning titles while he's away and is still struggling in the CL.
I really hope we find a way to make a profit on him and ship him out asap. The longer he sticks around, the worse it is for us.
The juve team he left has simply continued winning titles while he's away and is still struggling in the CL.
I really hope we find a way to make a profit on him and ship him out asap. The longer he sticks around, the worse it is for us.
Raiola wants to drive the price down and engineer a move because his client wants it, simple as that. He would not be able to do this without Pogba's consent. That is a fact. The fact that he still continues to be employed as Pogba's agent says all you need to know. Pogba agrees with Raiola and Raiola will continue to say what is in his client's interests.
It is all very mysterious. But from a biased POV, it seems there was a recommended surgery which could have been put off until summer, but he chose to have it now as he would rather miss the season than miss the Euros.
In the modern era, where the players and their agents have maximum control over things, a club cannot force a player to rot on bench. Big name players will be skeptical to join the club, lest they suffer the same in future if things go south. In an ideal world, we can think let such players feck off somewhere else, but football does not work that way.
Football is a business for the clubs too, not just for agents. They aren't going to let go of a valuable asset for nothing. I get your point about sending out signals, but it would be even worse if the club set a precedent for players to think they can come here for 100m and bitch and whine their way out of the contract for 30m a couple years later. That would open up all sorts of trouble if a club gave an agent that much control. It wont happen, unless a solid offer is received. Agent and player do not decide the market value of a player, and trying to affect it it might even backfire, and it was my original point.
What odd remarks from Raiola today. Implying prisoner/slavery is bizzare for sure. Did he forget that in business there are contractually obliged employees? That’s all Ole is saying yet Raiola is going off on a tangent trying to paint this like some prison. Ffs how can other clubs deal with someone so toxic?
Modern slavery. No one can own another person.
Ole's own words, for his injury, he sought outside advice because that is who he trusts and feels comfortable/trusts. Most players do it, Pogba is no different. Most players will follow advice of the specialists they are comfortable with. There have been no credible reports that this surgery could have been put off other than random speculation with no actual medical information about the injury.
Also, keep in mind, surgery is not a small thing, if it's something that keeps him out for this long, if / when he comes back, there can be set backs and also potential other injuries from a long lay off that would put him out even longer. It's not like oh I'll get surgery and will be perfectly okay come Euros. Look what happened to Ibra - came back from a long lay off and rehab and then injured himself again.
There’s no way he would renew his contract with us when expiring in 2.5 years time anyway. Just sell him, and let’s raid City for De Bruyne!
Yeah. If Pogba wanted to he could have told that fat twunt to shut the feck up a long time ago, the fact that he has not and he keeps blabbering speaks volumes.
Just sell him and buy someone without all the drama. Sick of this circus
I have generally defended him but you can't defend that from Raiola, complete shit show. £100mil+Bentancur coming the other way as a throw in. See you later.
Oh KDB. We can only dream, but I always saw him as a United player.
How about Juve buys KDB, and then we trade with Pogba. We will throw in Martial as well.
Him and his agent are a disgrace to the club.
Unless we make him the highest paid player on Earth, no way indeed.
They will if they sell either Neymar or Mbappé
Forget about Raiola. Those words must be seen as Pogba’s own. He’s definitely gone now but the big question is who would want him? On the pitch and off the pitch a complete liability.
Would France take Pogba for the Euros if he hasn't played a match since last year?
Deschamps loves him and he’s really popular in the dressing room, so yeah...
Forget Pogba, Deschamps can’t even let go of Giroud.
Why are you talking like he would be there because the manager loves him...
He’s there best midfielder. Only Manchester United critic him.
I was one of his biggest critics but now when he is obviously acting like a cnut I couldn't care less. 
Now when I think about it I woudn't even sell him if we don't get big money, I would let him root in the reserves and he can pretend he is injured for another year.
I don't get why people still like him though, surely people who still like and respect him put Pogba the player ahead of the club?
Now when I think about it I woudn't even sell him if we don't get big money, I would let him root in the reserves and he can pretend he is injured for another year.I don't get why people still like him though, surely people who still like and respect him put Pogba the player ahead of the club?
Not sure the benefit of him playing for us right now, the fans would boo him at Old Trafford. Would cause more harm than good. Sigh.
They are a disgrace to themselves. The club has been very forgiving in all this.
Yup, and for those that say "That's Raiola saying those things, not Pogba". Raiola is Pogba's agent, he is paid to say those things because Pogba cannot. If Pogba disagreed with him then he'd have told him to stop by now and if he hasn't stopped by now he would have replaced him.
He's a very talented player, potentially world class but we're not in a position for luxury players. We're a bad fit for each other right now and would be much better off with someone with 80% of his ability and twice his commitment.
No United fan can defend Pogba now, first you have a pop at the club about ambition, now you have a pop at the manager?
Whatever we as fans feel about the manager, we should not tolerate a player doing this.
Fergie fell out with him, Jose fell out with him and now Ole seems to be falling out with him.
I wouldn't have Pogba anywhere near the first team this season, he can go train on his own somewhere and hope he is match sharp for the Euros.
He has NO intention of helping Manutd, we should not help him regain fitness for the Euros.
Whatever we as fans feel about the manager, we should not tolerate a player doing this.
Fergie fell out with him, Jose fell out with him and now Ole seems to be falling out with him.
I wouldn't have Pogba anywhere near the first team this season, he can go train on his own somewhere and hope he is match sharp for the Euros.
He has NO intention of helping Manutd, we should not help him regain fitness for the Euros.
I like Paul a lot, i have his name on my kit but i am starting to develop an irrational dislike for him now. He simply has no respect for the club. I understand he’s genuinely injured but he’s now taking the mickey out of everyone including the manager by allowing his agent to run his mouth off