I dont see ex players as whole, dunno how people cant separate United player from person after retirement or what ever. I mean Neville example, as player he had different agendas/interests than as ex player, now pundit, owner of a club, hotel w/e, buisness guy in general etc. Maybe i am wrong but doubt his priorities are the same.
Roy Keane
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Well you were the one saying the two of them were angry. Make up your mind.
Keane s not a man who would lie. So I believe him when he says about the way he was thrown out of the club.
Yes he is bitter and I am sure most of us would be too if it was the way he says.
Fergie and Gill could have handled it better. Much better. What Keane said about the players was absolutely spot on. Fergie is no angel and the way he treated BBC shows he does hold a grudge too.
If we had a player who is even half of what Roy Keane was we would not be in this shit.
Yes he is bitter and I am sure most of us would be too if it was the way he says.
Fergie and Gill could have handled it better. Much better. What Keane said about the players was absolutely spot on. Fergie is no angel and the way he treated BBC shows he does hold a grudge too.
If we had a player who is even half of what Roy Keane was we would not be in this shit.
To be fair he's asked a direction question about Fergie. Fergie could be 102 it doesn't mean he didn't great Keane poorly at the end of his career here. It's OK to accept that.
Disagree with this. Well, I agree to the point where maybe he could say something like "I'd rather not talk about it" given SAFs health scare. But, if you worked with someone for 12.5 years, thought you had a relationship with this person of respect and appreciation and you genuinely felt they pretty much betrayed you (in Roy's mind) would you not be bitter? I wonder how many of us, living the situation that Roy is presenting it as, would not feel wronged.
Think you've got the wrong person here mate.
It was. Apologies.
Thats debatable, simply because that's arguably not even our most successful era as a club. 2006-2013 to me is a lot more successful.
We're just making things up here aren't we?
Keane is a bitter angry man. We all know that. I can think he's a bit of a dick sometimes but still like him on the whole.
Whether you agree with him or not, I like that he speaks his mind.
How many do that?
How many do that?
Roy Keane the player for United was a legend. For those not old enough to have seen him play he was the type of leader,motivator that the current United team are crying out for.
Keane the person is total off the cuff and has a lot anger when trying to put his views across. It was not a happy exit for Keane and Fergie and Co could have dealt with it a bit better. He wasn't far wrong about Darren Ferguson BTW but its a shame after all these years that Fergie and Keane haven't made up. Fergie lets not forget fell out with plenty of players and is on good terms with them now.
Keane the person is total off the cuff and has a lot anger when trying to put his views across. It was not a happy exit for Keane and Fergie and Co could have dealt with it a bit better. He wasn't far wrong about Darren Ferguson BTW but its a shame after all these years that Fergie and Keane haven't made up. Fergie lets not forget fell out with plenty of players and is on good terms with them now.
Yeah was going to say something similar. He's a cracking media personality for what it's worth.
If only there was some middle ground between "absolute legend" and "dead to me" - plenty of former United players have complex legacies. Schmeichel, Rooney, Keane, Neville, Giggs, and Scholes were all absolute heroes on the pitch - and they've all done or said stuff since leaving us which makes me love them a bit less. But none of them are "dead to me" and I'm still immensely grateful that they played for us, and that I got to watch them play at the time
Probably would feel wronged to a point. It’s been talked to death on here for years, they’re both in the wrong imo. Roy shouldn’t have said what he said on mutv and SAF handled it badly. I would be pissed for a few years. However I’d probably have let it go before this but if that person almost 80, even though he fecked up was one of the main reason I’m the player I am and won the trophies I did go on to almost lose his life I’d definitely let it go. Rather then going on tv or podcasts at any opportunity to moan that said person even after his life threatening surgery.
He’s saying what everyone is thinking, SAF shoehorned he’s son into the team. Neville speaks like he’s got an agenda sometimes, he’s a got a lot of knowledge of the game but proper biased towards he’s mates.
How many people have actually watched more than 5 minutes of the video. It's actually very funny. That's why I like Keane, he can be a funny fecker as well as a straight talker.
If anything I like him more as I've gotten to know and understand his personality more through all these interviews and wotnot, because the legend of Keane has become more authentic to me. We always knew he was a hot-head, incredibly driven and stubborn as a mule. And honestly, I believe those qualities were an important part of the reason that team was so successful. He pushed his teammates to reach to his own high standards of professionalism day in, day out. I've no doubt that meant ruffling a few feathers or giving a few home truths from time-to-time, and sometimes crossing the line, but as Neville alluded to the players were used to that and back then, let's be honest, they weren't a bunch of fannies like the players today.
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If Keane didn't leave us, we wouldn't have lost the Champions League Final against Barca in 2009. We would have become the first team to win Champions League back-to-back.
He could even have snapped Messi's leg in that match and Messi wouldn't go on to be such a great player. Ronaldo might have felt the Liga not as challenging without Messi and stayed with us. That would easily win us another Champions League title in the year after, not losing to Bayern in such a manner.
Yeah,we could have won 4 Champions League titles back-to-back from 2018 - 2011 if Keane was still here. Madness...
Keane is ‘Josey Wales’ stubborn as is Fergie, both hold a grudge. In Keanes case we know he will actively seek revenge and ‘serve the dish cold’ so to speak. It’s part of the psychological makeup that makes them winners. To the rest of us if we see our rival at deaths door we may stop and consider what we are doing and why.
Keane is not the rest of us though, he is part of that top few percent who are winners to the core. With that often comes personality flaws, narcissism etc.
Personally for the money Roy was earning I’d happily get kicked onto the scrap heap with little respect after 12 years, take the money and run.
Maybe that’s part of why I’m not part of that winning top few percent
It's hilarious how Keane used Sir Alex's nepotism to bash him for not using that same nepotism/favourism with him. The reality is that Keane's time as a footballer was already finished by the time of that infamous interview. Sir Alex would have given Keane the usual 1-2 years of salary for nothing given to other legends if only he kept his gob shut and didn't blamed others for his crappiness.
We did a whole bloody lot better immediately without him too.
I think this is what irks Roy more than anything, we left him behind to be yesterday's news. Literally 7 months later and we are the best team in Europe and people forget that Keane is no longer there. Stupid thing is, Roy could have contributed to that team and he could have handled it better to.
I dont care who Roy thinks he is, Edwin was also a senior player who while new to United, was equally entitled to have an opinion as a fellow professional and not be spoken down to. Its the self entitled bullshit with Keane that I think alot of people get irked about and its been with him through his entire career.
I dunno, it might have happened. He's not dead to me because at least He's someone who speaks his mind. And He has no agenda to help his mates whatsoever. It's just Keane being Keane.
Like Cantona being Cantona. I can't fault them for being them.
Like Cantona being Cantona. I can't fault them for being them.
Still bossed Gerrard and Vieira on their own turf only a year earlier
He keeps mentioning in interviews that he thought he played well at Anfield in his last game. I only remember it being a really naff 0-0 draw.You just know that the epitaph on Roy Keane's headstone will be "And you can feck off as well"
Tell me what he said wrong then ?
Keane is not a top echelon winner and here is the reason... he can't accept his failings and learn from them. A great winner knows where the limit is and sustains that limit, but rarely over steps it. Roy doesn't have that capacity. Roy should have known the older he got that the limit slowly gets withdrawn and your approach needs to be reconsidered or simply retire. As both Gary and he alluded to, 27 year old Keane would have got away with it. 34 year old Keane didn't and its very clear and obvious why, so why continue with it?Keane is ‘Josey Wales’ stubborn as is Fergie, both hold a grudge. In Keanes case we know he will actively seek revenge and ‘serve the dish cold’ so to speak. It’s part of the psychological makeup that makes them winners. To the rest of us if we see our rival at deaths door we may stop and consider what we are doing and why.
Keane is not the rest of us though, he is part of that top few percent who are winners to the core. With that often comes personality flaws, narcissism etc.
Personally for the money Roy was earning I’d happily get kicked onto the scrap heap with little respect after 12 years, take the money and run.
Maybe that’s part of why I’m not part of that winning top few percent
Roy Keane just says what he thinks. He's a brutally honest person which doesn't translate well to someone being your friend but he was an excellent footballer that fit well into his time. I don't love him or hate him but he was a great player for our club and a great captain and should be respected as such. He's allowed to feel what he feels about his end here even though we don't agree with him.
Lets be blunt. We were playing dog shit at the time (Keane's admission in that infamous interview). Then Keane left, Carrick came and we won the league.Still bossed Gerrard and Vieira on their own turf only a year earlier
This. It's sad to see the man Roy has become. Always harping on about the same grievances.
As a histrionic drama queen with a borderline personality and the working memory capasity of 1,5 digits, most players are dead to me except the evil Succubus that is JLingz and that Angel of Gomes who shall Redeem Us All unless he signs for City in January.
“Keane is not a top echelon winner?”
He’s done as much for our club arguably as any player in our whole history... He was the biggest winner we’ve ever had in the side alongside Ronaldo mentality wise and impact on the pitch week in week out.
Never. He is our true legend. Hero. Captain.
Ridiculous point, in 2009 he would have been 38 and he was already past it 3 years before. I won't even go to the snapping Messi's leg part..
Fergie did what was necessary for United to be successful over a long period of time. He was a great manager. Roy wouldn't understand. I love Keano though, don't get me wrong. He was such a great player. But never a good manager. Decent perhaps.
Never knew He was a girl.
Keane was 34 and his legs had gone, he’s overly bitter, I found it crazy how even when SAF’s health was mentioned he didn’t ease up at all!
His view on Fergie (and the club in general) was supported by a lot of people at the time of his departure. His name was sung non stop by United fans in the first game after his departure.
He’s also spot on regarding Fergie putting his own interests before the club
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/so...duo-over-rock-of-gibraltar-1.1953737?mode=amp
He’s also spot on regarding Fergie putting his own interests before the club
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/so...duo-over-rock-of-gibraltar-1.1953737?mode=amp
I'd argue Cantona was far more influential and beneficial to the overall growth of the club and even he is not a Fergie level of winner.
There's sufficient argument to say that there are winners and there is another level of winners. People who without a shadow of a doubt would be the very best at what ever they did at life and transcend their respective sports.
In the last 20 years you could nail that down to Sir Alex, Michael Schumacher, Michael Jordan, Phelps, Bolt, Tiger Woods and Fed. There's an argument to say Ronaldo and Messi, but I think Maradonna still pips both of them. What do all of them have in common?
Keane is a winner, but ultimately he's just another very good player. His influence at United is entirely over shadowed by Sir Alex and given our success after him, could say was probably overstated.
I love Roy Keane the player and he set the standard as a professional United player on the training ground and pitch for a long time, but he's not even close to being with the above names.
I agree with him not been among those names. Messi and Ronaldo are on another planet football & stardom wise.
I misinterpreted it as he didn’t win as many titles as Giggs or Scholes for example. No way would I ever put Keane in Messi’s league and I rate Keane as been the 2nd most impressive player behind Ronaldo I’ve seen at United.
Messi for instance is a genius. Best player I’ve ever seen anyways by a distance. Same with all those names you mentioned in their respective sports.
Maybe I was a little too young too appreciate Cantona properly, I’ve mostly seen highlights. Keane in 99-2002 was a monster on the field though.
In Keanes time at the club we won 7 Leagues, 4 FA Cups and a Champion's League. Two Doubles and a Treble.
In the period you mention we won 5 Leagues, 3 League Cups and 1 Champion's League.
So no, it's not debatable. Keane was very much apart of the most successful period in our club's history, without question. In my opinion he was the most important player, which of course is up for debate.