Forget about emotion and subjectivity. I have more facts.
I think the bottom line of the story of Keane's departure is mentioned in the video. Towards the end Keane had continued to speak his mind and cross lines as he had done throughout his 12 and a half years at United, but when you're no longer an essential part of the team your position is much more tenuous when you are involved in clashes of opinion/personality. Throw in Keane's ego, Fergie's ego and Carlos Queiroz into the mix and as Gary says something had to give after a month/six weeks of things bubbling away.
Flip side I distinctly remember Sylvain Distan fouling Ronaldo in the box and the pen not given in the FA cup semi final.
No because the English League has never been stronger than it was when Liverpool had their golden era in the 70s & 80s.
Disagree with this too, if City win the CL and PL double this season I think they'll have a strong argument to claim to be the best PL side ever given all the records they'e broken. They have to win the CL. The FA is a minor detail in my opinion.
Lets not put the 2006-2009 team together with the post Ronaldo team, two different sides in different stages of the cycle.
Yeah I agree, I would just leave the door open for people to value that unprecedented treble-winning side above all other but I must concede it's a heart over head situation. You're talking about being as factual as possible and from that standpoint it's hard to argue against the 08 side being Fergie's best.
Yeah that semi final was such a fecking pain. The image of Sulley Muntari stepping up to take the penalty is still seared into my mind.
The FA Cup wasn't a minor detail in the 90's.
Sure but I don't think City need a treble to make a claim to be the best PL side ever. Only United have ever won it 3 on the bounce. Last season the PL was clearly the best in Europe (first time all 4 finalists came from 1 country) so they can claim the level and they have broken so many records. They just need that CL.
Totally agree. I have no problem with anyone loving the 94 or 99 team more, they were great sides and the 99 season was the most magical.
But's it's barely a valid complaint considering. Maybe he wanted someone he can trust. It obviously worked out pretty well.
Isn't it clear from the rest of my post why I assumed that?
Isn't clear by the fact that I take the time to post here and engage in other people here that I don't hate it?
It depends on what you consider success and the time period used. We won 5 league titles in each seven year period and focused on Europe more which led to not taking the FA Cup as seriously. I’d argue if Fergie had stayed five more years it would’ve been a more successful 12 year period. Semantics aside I engaged in this debate with somebody saying Keane leaving has led to where we are now. Which is complete bullshit.
Fight fight fight!
You make some good points and I'm not saying you're wrong.
I certainly won't be disagreeing with that.
Agree with all of that.
I disagree with your team a bit. I'd have the the 06-09 entire back 5 only with Neville in instead of Brown. The rest I agree with.
I think the issue with assessing them now is that, by no fault of their own, their time at the peak of PL football has coincided with a general loss of quality from teams you would expect to be title rivals. The league at the moment reminds me a lot of the period of Wenger vs Fergie when I felt Arsenal and United were the only realistic possible PL champions for a few seasons. That's how I feel now with Liverpool and City.
Not quite as simple as that and on a side note I'd take that United team (03-05) playing like dog shit over this one anytime. The Vidic, Evra signings improved us immeasurably although obviously they took a good 6 months to settle in.
Roy Keane is a gowl. Of the highest order. Hes a parody of himself at this stage.
Not by the content of your posts, no it isn't.
He was alright like, better than run-of-the-mill, but let's be honest he was never more than a poor mans Bryan Robson.
Decent? He was the last player I wanted to see in your teamsheet starting a match. He was a force. Was like Souness for us. Easily one of your best and always had the feeling he would never let you lose whatever it took.
The way you perceive a post might say more about you than it does me.
You're so passive aggressive. Or maybe that's me, because that's how I'm perceiving you.
Nor me, I don't consider that to be a good character trait, personally I find it shows someone has no tact and less self control.
"decent"
That may well have be the case, but i'm struggling to think of one match(maybe his last)where he had a great game against yous lot, home or away, he always seemed to play within himself, maybe on instruction, who knows.
Not sure what's so funny, on his better days he was."decent"
FA Cup final 1996.
