Israel-Palestine

RedSky said:
I can't be the only one that feels like the phrase anti-Semitism has lost all credibility in the last few years? Seems like Israeli apologists use it as a way of shutting down discussion.

It's their default goto line to try and defend their crimes. It's pathetically transparent as far as I'm concerned.
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No, I agree with that as well. It's reflected in the media and definitely all over the Internet.
 
I don't know about any of you but, personally, I find the notion that anything Israel does being put down purely to them having a majority Jewish population, and therefore criticism being seen as anti-Semitic, is incredibly anti-Semitic.

It seems that we have a poster on this forum who sees someone from Israel and just sees "Jew". They could be an artist, a parent, a mechanic. But to this guy they're still just "Jew".
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I don't know about any of you but, personally, I find the notion that anything Israel does being put down purely to them having a majority Jewish population, and therefore criticism being seen as anti-Semitic, is incredibly anti-Semitic.

It seems that we have a poster on this forum who sees someone from Israel and just sees "Jew". They could be an artist, a parent, a mechanic. But to this guy they're still just "Jew".
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Same here. Conflating Israel with all Jews is itself very antisemitic, methinks.
 
Ronaldo's Love Child said:
The thread has become a breeding ground for shock tweets where any point can be made by proxy.

When I scoured the thread some time ago the injection of anti semitic comments and general tone were alarming and this was in full sight of contributing mods to the topic!
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Could you please give a few examples of what you mean by 'shock' tweets? I've been fairly active in the thread since early 2024 and have detailed some of the more shocking incidents of crimes committed by Israel. Trust me when I tell you that I refrain from posting the worst, most graphic stuff I see. I haven't seen anyone else post overly graphic or shocking tweets and feel there is in fact a necessary level of sanitation to reporting Israel's worst excesses. One that comes not just from the site rules but from an ethical responsibility to the Palestinian victims.

I would say that two posts I've personally made, that contain some of the most shocking evidence of Israel's war crimes, have been the x-rays of children who were deliberately sniped in the head by IDF soldiers, that was reported in nytimes, the guardian and other outlets:
https://www.verity.news/story/2024/...raeli-forces-purposely-shot-children?p=re2786
And the other was the UN report that detailed systematic rape, sexual torture and sexual violence against Palestinian children, women and men by Israel.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-rele...-systematic-use-sexual-reproductive-and-other

I presume that you accept that these are important stories that should be reported on and known about, and I can't think of any other incidents myself, off the top of me head.

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Ronaldo's Love Child said:
Right. So there is some anti semitism on this forum...."mainly because there's an ongoing genocide"?

The genocide is committed by Jews so they're all to blame then eh?
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I haven’t seen many, if any posts here that specifically target Jews as a religious group. What I do find interesting is how criticism of the Israeli state is often framed as antisemitic. By that logic, if I criticize Russia or call its actions despicable, would that make me anti–Russian Orthodox?

People in this thread are expressing disgust and anger at the policies and actions of the Israeli state. The fact that Israel is a democratic country arguably makes the situation even more troubling to some, because it means voters are electing figures like Ben-Gvir and Smotrich into power.
 
It's a nonsense post by Ronaldos Love Child, and the more attention we give it the more he/she/it will feel validated. It's a distraction from the pro-Israel lot because they have no other cards left to play.
 
No one with any sense of morality is left supporting the apartheid Israel. And I have no problem with casting aspersions far and freely on anyone who does.

It is one of those rare, glaringly obvious to answer, moral questions.
 
This country must be stopped. They are out of control.



They were on tape raping the prisoners.
 
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https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-889768

The soldiers are not outright denying they fought the detainee​

The five IDF soldiers, broadly speaking, do not deny that they had a physical altercation with the detainee.

Mostly, they claim self-defense and that they had to get him under control.

But the medical report reveals seven of his ribs were broken and that an object was either shoved up his anus or that his butt was stabbed with an object.

These do not seem like actions consistent with merely getting control over one detainee in self-defense.

Offir said that the medical report was significant evidence, but would have failed to get a conviction at trial without more corroborating evidence, especially given the absence of the victim to testify.

The much-defamed video was not doctored. It, in fact, seems to show IDF soldiers beating the detainee. It is just that it was edited to shorten it from many hours of footage where nothing happened, to the moments when the more critical events occurred.

However, Offir noted that much of the activities and alleged beatings was set in a spot where seeing who exactly did what was obscured in the footage.
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Israel’s Minister of Defense:

Justice has been done
I welcome the decision of the Chief Military Prosecutor, Major General Itai Ofir, to close the Sde Teiman cases against IDF soldiers and to cancel the indictment against them.
This trial was born in sin by the previous Military Advocate General, using a blood libel against IDF soldiers and criminal investigation methods, and I am glad that justice has been done and the trial has been canceled.
The role of the IDF's legal system is to protect and safeguard IDF soldiers who engage heroically in war against cruel monsters, and not the rights of the terrorists of Hamas.
I am convinced that the decision will lead to a new path.
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Fckd up
 
It does make it harder to defend this is just bibi and a handful of fanatics.
 
maniak said:
You don't need to tell me, but it's been a talking point for ages.
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Yeah sorry if that came across wrong. I wasn't having a go at you.

It's frustrating though that it is a talking point
 
Adisa said:
This country must be stopped. They are out of control.



They were on tape raping the prisoners.
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The video didn't really reveal much. However, rape or not, there's very little doubt they attacked the prisoner.

Israeli is sick, from the leadership to large parts of society. The story of the prisoner being attacked became a full political issues with the members of government knowing where their base lies and this siding with the attackers - and attacking those who revealed the attack and originally wanted to prosecute them.
 
maniak said:
It does make it harder to defend this is just bibi and a handful of fanatics.
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Thing is, looking at the leadership, aside from Netanyahu and the fanatics you have loades of meaningless muppets who are there to serve Bibi and the base. The minister of security is one of them - he's got no abilities and very little achievements during his career. He just has a very flexible spine and he's in a strong position at the Likud party, which means he keeps getting big jobs. He's pretty much a joke who keeps saying nonsense and everyone knows he's not really in charge of security matter or the recent wars. Bibi is.

And the rest of the Likud ministers and Knesset Members are very much the same. The Knesset is weak and is controlled by the coalition and the government - which is also weak and Netanyahu is in full control and does whatever he wants, with the rest mostly nodding their heads. They are only interested in self preservation, with the election coming up this year (maybe).

Meanwhile, Netanyahu is still focused on trying to get a pardon from the president of Israel - with Trump insulting and threatning this president several times in recent years as he's not respnded yet to Netanyahu's request.

Oh, and there are two wars going on while all this is happening. It's bunkers.

Without the trial, there would be no war in Iran. I'm certain of it.
 
It's similar to what, for example, Hegseth says. But when it's said by someone who carried out a genocide...they mean it, again.

 
reelworld said:
This is a very good response on synagogue attack that happened recently. Israel is making antisemitism worse and they're happy to do it
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The man lost his family and children in strikes by Israel on Lebanon

 
Very sad story overall.

Unfortunately, even through they are the aggressors here, this plays rights into the hands of Israel.

Innocents suffer everywhere from the kids in Gaza, Lebanon, Iran and the Synagogues but the guilty walk free:
 
Ronaldo's Love Child said:
I wasn't referring to your posts and it looks like some of the more dubious posts have become less common in weeks but there have definitely been anti-semitic posts in this thread and no, that isn't defending the Israeli government's actions in Gaza.

Most conflicts are nuanced and this doesn't allow for the discussion of that without a pile on
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This is a genocide.
 
Ødegaard said:
This is a genocide.
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As is what Israel are currently attempting in Lebanon.

The most barbaric, murderous and truly sociopathic regime on the planet. They are without doubt the biggest danger to world peace. It's not even close.Thats not anti-Semitic, it's just the truth.
 


You can't just rape people, or expect that the wider world will simply adopt the act of rape as an acceptable standard. These acts will continue to shock the outside world, as they should.
 
Amir said:
Thing is, looking at the leadership, aside from Netanyahu and the fanatics you have loades of meaningless muppets who are there to serve Bibi and the base. The minister of security is one of them - he's got no abilities and very little achievements during his career. He just has a very flexible spine and he's in a strong position at the Likud party, which means he keeps getting big jobs. He's pretty much a joke who keeps saying nonsense and everyone knows he's not really in charge of security matter or the recent wars. Bibi is.

And the rest of the Likud ministers and Knesset Members are very much the same. The Knesset is weak and is controlled by the coalition and the government - which is also weak and Netanyahu is in full control and does whatever he wants, with the rest mostly nodding their heads. They are only interested in self preservation, with the election coming up this year (maybe).

Meanwhile, Netanyahu is still focused on trying to get a pardon from the president of Israel - with Trump insulting and threatning this president several times in recent years as he's not respnded yet to Netanyahu's request.

Oh, and there are two wars going on while all this is happening. It's bunkers.

Without the trial, there would be no war in Iran. I'm certain of it.
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What is the reason that the President is holding off on the pardon. Netanyahu seems to get everything else he wants.

Is he an honest guy? Or he doesn’t think Netanyahu is creating sufficient havoc to be worthy of a pardon.
 
Tallis said:
What is the reason that the President is holding off on the pardon. Netanyahu seems to get everything else he wants.

Is he an honest guy? Or he doesn’t think Netanyahu is creating sufficient havoc to be worthy of a pardon.
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So far it's been in the hands of experts working for the justice department who eveluate such requests and whether it fits the criterions indicated by law, before a recommendation is handed to the president. It was only complete this week and as expected it doesn't really fit the criterion because Netanyahu is not even admitting to anything. It's not such much as a pardon but a request to cancel the trial. The bastard has been holding the country to ransom.

The president is a former politician who ran against Netanyahu so I wouldn't call him honest... But he's decent and not corrupt. He's probably caught between the rock and the hard place. He's indicated in the past that he believes ending the Netanyahu trial will be the best solution for the country, but he was probably thinking of a plea bargain that sees Netanyahu leave politics rather than just cancelling the trial years after it started. And now you've got Trump getting involved - which is actually an act against Israel's sovereignty. How would it look if he gave Netanyahu and Trump what they want?
 
Ronaldo's Love Child said:
I wasn't referring to your posts and it looks like some of the more dubious posts have become less common in weeks but there have definitely been anti-semitic posts in this thread and no, that isn't defending the Israeli government's actions in Gaza.

Most conflicts are nuanced and this doesn't allow for the discussion of that without a pile on
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You went down this path on the Ratcliffe thread re: anti-semtism thread quite recently, and then went hunting for quotes, the first of which you had posted completely misrepresenting the poster's point which was actuallythat not Israel ≠ Jews, but contained a error that was unambiguously revealed to be a typo by the rest of the post which you ommitted from your quote. This was round about when you claimed to have screenshot anti-semitic posts when you were threatening this forum with being reported.
 
Israeli strikes in Gaza killed four Palestinians, including two 17-year-olds, in two separate attacks, Palestinian medics said, with violence continuing in the West Bank and Gaza even as Israel expands its offensive across the region. From the guardian.

Israel is rooted in a colonialist extermination ideology, up there with the worst in history.
 
Amir said:
So far it's been in the hands of experts working for the justice department who eveluate such requests and whether it fits the criterions indicated by law, before a recommendation is handed to the president. It was only complete this week and as expected it doesn't really fit the criterion because Netanyahu is not even admitting to anything. It's not such much as a pardon but a request to cancel the trial. The bastard has been holding the country to ransom.

The president is a former politician who ran against Netanyahu so I wouldn't call him honest... But he's decent and not corrupt. He's probably caught between the rock and the hard place. He's indicated in the past that he believes ending the Netanyahu trial will be the best solution for the country, but he was probably thinking of a plea bargain that sees Netanyahu leave politics rather than just cancelling the trial years after it started. And now you've got Trump getting involved - which is actually an act against Israel's sovereignty. How would it look if he gave Netanyahu and Trump what they want?
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Cheers, mate. Thanks for the explanation.
 


A rapist is paraded as a hero by a country whose elite have raped and trafficked underage kids around the world. Sickening.
 
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