Italian Serie A - 2019-20

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2 really soft pens give Juve the win.

Serie A is a tough view for neutrals..
Is the handball in the first half a really soft pen for You? Long distance from kick start, defender harm wide from body, harm position not caused by natural defender movement... Is not enough for You to recognize a stonewall handball?
 

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Atalanta are the weirdest team in the world. In their last 4 games they outplayed Inter at the San Siro, spanked Torino 7-0 and lost points to SPAL and Genoa at home.

They're either going to completely crumble in the Champions League or they'll tear Valencia apart.
 

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Their playing style is very risky, their CBs and GKs aren't good enough for it, and some bad luck(or variance if you prefer)

They're a ridiculous attacking machine(top 4 in Europe :lol:) and the best team in the league at their best, but if they're not at their best they can lose to anyone
 

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Their playing style is very risky, their CBs and GKs aren't good enough for it, and some bad luck(or variance if you prefer)

They're a ridiculous attacking machine(top 4 in Europe :lol:) and the best team in the league at their best, but if they're not at their best they can lose to anyone
Yeah they feel like a worse version of Manchester City this season.

What happened to Torino's defense by the way? They were meant to be one of the best defenses in Italy...

14 goals conceded in the past 3 games and the third game isn't even over yet.
 

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Seeing Padelli actually start a game for a top level team is bizarre. This is a guy who spent a season benched behind Joe Hart at Torino.

Apparently he actually played at Liverpool in 2007, have no recollection of that at all (can remember Doni and Brad Jones playing for them).
 

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There it is. Sanchez effect that lifts Lukaku to score. We should have kept them both ;). Young too.
Could have been our front duo now. Ooh well Ighalo it is.
 

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Both look good because they are good players.
Sanchez looked so poor for us though. Looked physically way past his peak.
Or it might just be us who got terrible fitness coaches.
With Lukaku I think people was too harsh on him. Scored a fair amount in his first season.
Not amazing numbers, but not totally crap like people suggest.
To just sell him without buying a good forward was criminal.
 

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Could you imagine how good of a situation United would have been in currently had they just employed a serial winner like conte after sacking Mourinho, he's tried to buy half of our team as it is in the last two windows, rather than the club giving the job to a complete novice who wanted to needlessly do a rebuild job.

We probably would have got top 4 last season with him, brought in far better players with the pull that conte has plus champions league and would easily be fighting for 2nd place this season.
 

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Sanchez looked so poor for us though. Looked physically way past his peak.
Or it might just be us who got terrible fitness coaches.
With Lukaku I think people was too harsh on him. Scored a fair amount in his first season.
Not amazing numbers, but not totally crap like people suggest.
To just sell him without buying a good forward was criminal.
Loaning Alexis was more stupid. He could have been useful for us this year.
 

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Could you imagine how good of a situation United would have been in currently had they just employed a serial winner like conte after sacking Mourinho, he's tried to buy half of our team as it is in the last two windows, rather than the club giving the job to a complete novice who wanted to needlessly do a rebuild job.

We probably would have got top 4 last season with him, brought in far better players with the pull that conte has plus champions league and would easily be fighting for 2nd place this season.
Not with this team sadly
 

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Not with this team sadly
Lukaku and Sanchez is doing well for him tonight. I am sure he would have liked most of our players. He worked with Pogba before too as well as Matic.
Think he would have loved Fred and Mctominay too given how hard they work.
Might have gone for more attacking fullbacks/wingbacks and gone for something else in the market. Maybe another forward/attacker and attacking midfielders.
He might have disliked Martial though or he could have potentially fired him up more.
 

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Lukaku and Sanchez is doing well for him tonight. I am sure he would have liked most of our players. He worked with Pogba before too as well as Matic.
Think he would have loved Fred and Mctominay too given how hard they work.
Might have gone for more attacking fullbacks/wingbacks and gone for something else in the market. Maybe another forward/attacker and attacking midfielders.
He might have disliked Martial though or he could have potentially fired him up more.
And you're basing this on 1 game? This was Sanchez's 1st game where he looked semi decent for inter. Conte would fail here because the board wouldn't let him go and spend money. Look at what happend in Chelsea's 2nd seaosn. Even at Inter he's constantly complaining about investment for new players - and he's been doing that on live tv press conferences
 

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Or maybe the teams are weaker? :p
Yep. Everyone we let go are just shit. Couldn't be that we are run - as a brand, not a football club - by clueless, bean counting, carnival barkers.
20-ish goals by Lukaku ain't shit. I know. The player wanted to leave. No first touch. No PASH-UN. FFS we're running out of excuses. I hope Igahlo
has some answers to why we can't seem to score. Because no one else on the team seems to.
 

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And you're basing this on 1 game? This was Sanchez's 1st game where he looked semi decent for inter. Conte would fail here because the board wouldn't let him go and spend money. Look at what happend in Chelsea's 2nd seaosn. Even at Inter he's constantly complaining about investment for new players - and he's been doing that on live tv press conferences
What do you count as sucess? If he win the league and then gets 5th with an Fa cup and then gets fired would that be good enough?
My point was not about Sanchez suddenly playing like his prime Arsenal days under him, but that he gets the best out of his players normally.
It is not the most attractive style of football, but it would have suited our squad better. We are not really building for attacking football anyway.
 

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What do you count as sucess? If he win the league and then gets 5th with an Fa cup and then gets fired would that be good enough?
Are you joking? He would never win the league with this fecking team. Even Fergie would have a hard time getting us into top 4 let alone win the league with this current squad. We are literally playing backup/not good enough players as first team players becase we don't have enough players!!!
 

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Sanchez looked so poor for us though. Looked physically way past his peak.
Or it might just be us who got terrible fitness coaches.
With Lukaku I think people was too harsh on him. Scored a fair amount in his first season.
Not amazing numbers, but not totally crap like people suggest.
To just sell him without buying a good forward was criminal.
Geniuses on here thought we didn't need him.
 

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Are you joking? He would never win the league with this fecking team. Even Fergie would have a hard time getting us into top 4 let alone win the league with this current squad. We are literally playing backup/not good enough players as first team players becase we don't have enough players!!!
That is your opinion. He did win it with Chelsea a few seasons ago. That squad had a terrible season before that.
Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, new signing, Sanchez, Greenwood, James/new signing, Bruno/new signing
New wingback rather than Wan Bissaka and improving the defense and midfield we got.

That could challenge for the league under a top manager if the new signings are top class and performs. Not if Liverpool goes crazy like this season, but if they get around 90 points we could do it like Conte got when he won it with Chelsea.
Of course with Rashford and Pogba injury for a long time things would get very hard. Lots of things could happen, but we would have a strong enough core then to get results each week if the coaching and tactics is good.
 

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That is your opinion. He did win it with Chelsea a few seasons ago. That squad had a terrible season before that.
Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, new signing, Sanchez, Greenwood, James/new signing, Bruno/new signing
New wingback rather than Wan Bissaka and improving the defense and midfield we got.

That could challenge for the league under a top manager if the new signings are top class and performs. Not if Liverpool goes crazy like this season, but if they get around 90 points we could do it like Conte got when he won it with Chelsea.
Of course with Rashford and Pogba injury for a long time things would get very hard. Lots of things could happen, but we would have a strong enough core then to get results each week if the coaching and tactics is good.
And why did that squad have a terrible season ? :p
Conte got a squad that included Hazard one of the best players in the league, Diego Costa one of the best target men in the league and he also bought Kante who was also one of the best players in the league in his position. When was the last time Utd had that sort of quality players? You're deluding yourself if you think Conte would be challenging for the title.
 

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And why did that squad have a terrible season ? :p
Conte got a squad that included Hazard one of the best players in the league, Diego Costa one of the best target men in the league and he also bought Kante who was also one of the best players in the league in his position. When was the last time Utd had that sort of quality players? You're deluding yourself if you think Conte would be challenging for the title.
We have some good players too. I also said we could with some good recruitments like he did with Chelsea. We might not have a Hazard level player in our team, but Rashford is very good and a better goalscorer from the wing (not as good in general play). In Pogba we have a better creative midfielder than Chelsea had too.
I think we might lack a proper defensive playmaker like Luiz for a 3 man defense though, but maybe we would have got him over Arsenal or someone else. Or Lindelöf could have grown into that role with better coaching.
I would take our squad as a starting point over the Chelsea one he had honestly. We have worse owners and Ed Woodward though so that would make things much harder.
 

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We have some good players too. I also said we could with some good recruitments like he did with Chelsea. We might not have a Hazard level player in our team, but Rashford is very good and a better goalscorer from the wing (not as good in general play). In Pogba we have a better creative midfielder than Chelsea had too.
I think we might lack a proper defensive playmaker like Luiz for a 3 man defense though, but maybe we would have got him over Arsenal or someone else. Or Lindelöf could have grown into that role with better coaching.
I would take our squad as a starting point over the Chelsea one he had honestly. We have worse owners and Ed Woodward though so that would make things much harder.
We only have 2 players who will be good enough for the title. The rest of the team is just potential to be good who needs to prove himself.

All the players of Conte's Chelsea had proved themself to win the Premiere League with Mourinho. Even Mourinho admits we have a terrible squad all these years by saying finish 2nd with Man United is his best achievement as manager.
 

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We only have 2 players who will be good enough for the title. The rest of the team is just potential to be good who needs to prove himself.

All the players of Conte's Chelsea had proved themself to win the Premiere League with Mourinho. Even Mourinho admits we have a terrible squad all these years by saying finish 2nd with Man United is his best achievement as manager.
Having won the league before is not the most important thing. How many titles have the Liverpool squad won? Milner won it for City, but that is it.
How many titles had the Leicester players won before? 0!
We got Matic who won it twice and once under Conte, but not sure people think he is the only guy that can win it. Fred won in Ukraine and Pogba in Italy so that is more experience. Sanchez won it with Barcelona. De Gea with us. Young with us if he would have stayed.

We would obviously not be favorites against this Liverpool team and with City around, but under Conte and 3-4 new players we could have challenged at least.
 

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Having won the league before is not the most important thing. How many titles have the Liverpool squad won? Milner won it for City, but that is it.
How many titles had the Leicester players won before? 0!
We got Matic who won it twice and once under Conte, but not sure people think he is the only guy that can win it. Fred won in Ukraine and Pogba in Italy so that is more experience. Sanchez won it with Barcelona. De Gea with us. Young with us if he would have stayed.

We would obviously not be favorites against this Liverpool team and with City around, but under Conte and 3-4 new players we could have challenged at least.
Dude seriously. :lol:
Liverpool have some great players. Mane, Salah, Firmino and their fullbacks are one of the best in the world.
Also have no idea what/why you mention the past title wins of some players.
We need at least 5 players that are good enough to be labelled as 1st team quality not some kids or past it players that will look good for 10 games every year.
 

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Dude seriously. :lol:
Liverpool have some great players. Mane, Salah, Firmino and their fullbacks are one of the best in the world.
Also have no idea what/why you mention the past title wins of some players.
We need at least 5 players that are good enough to be labelled as 1st team quality not some kids or past it players that will look good for 10 games every year.
They turned great under Klopp. Noone rated half the Pool squad before they played under him. Apart from Allison.
Mane and Van Dijk did well for Southampton, but noone saw them as world beaters at the level we see now. If so other bigger clubs would have gone for them.
They got Mane for really cheap. Mourinho let Salah and De Bruyne go too. Just shows what good management can do.
We had lots of quality, but need a top manager to bring the best out of them. We also needed the right additions, but we didn't get that.
Not saying Conte would have got that, but for Chelsea he identified what the squad needed and got those guys in.

I think our squad would have suited Conte since he likes similar types of players to Mourinho. Although gets more out of them often.
 

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They turned great under Klopp. Noone rated half the Pool squad before they played under him. Apart from Allison.
Mane and Van Dijk did well for Southampton, but noone saw them as world beaters at the level we see now. If so other bigger clubs would have gone for them.
They got Mane for really cheap. Mourinho let Salah and De Bruyne go too. Just shows what good management can do.
We had lots of quality, but need a top manager to bring the best out of them. We also needed the right additions, but we didn't get that.
Not saying Conte would have got that, but for Chelsea he identified what the squad needed and got those guys in.

I think our squad would have suited Conte since he likes similar types of players to Mourinho. Although gets more out of them often.
What quality? Valencia and Young as full backs? Keystone kops Smalling and Jones/Lindeloff as defenders?
C'mon now. We barely have had any quality in the past 6-7 years. The only good players we've had/have are De Gea, Pogba and Ibrahimovic with the rest being either way too inconsistent, past it or too young.
 

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