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Just saw Zaniolo's crazy run and finish from last night's game. No wonder Real are interested in signing him :eek:
 

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Sarri trundling off down the tunnel, poor fella.
 

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Then you guys "laugh" when I say Juve have been the third best team in Italy all season.

They are so fortunate to be 1st this season its not even funny. They should have at the very least 10 less points then they do now.
 

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How the likes of Danilo, Ramsey, Bernardeschi and Rugani can start for a team like Juventus is unbelievable. They were pretty much playing with 8 players from the start.

Sarri has to go when the likes of Pochetino are available but he's far from being the problem. This squad needs a big overhaul, Dybala and Ronaldo aside there is no ability to create anything of note. I think those two would prefer to play with 10 men than to play another game next to Bernardeschi and Ramsey.

Rabiot and De Ligt are quality though so at least they got that right last summer. Don't think they would be winning the title without those signings.
 

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Joao Pedro scores a stunning free kick ref says NOPE

edit: Indirect free kick was given for this foul
 

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Amazing work by Gotti at Udinese. Picked a poor squad and managed to turn around ba very complicated situation.
 

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Amazing work by Gotti at Udinese. Picked a poor squad and managed to turn around ba very complicated situation.
They deserved the luck tonight, have been tremendously unlucky since the break with a bunch of points dropped in the last minutes in games where they were better.
 

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They deserved the luck tonight, have been tremendously unlucky since the break with a bunch of points dropped in the last minutes in games where they were better.
I was talking about overall season, not only this match. Udinese was a relegation candidate and now they have dozens of offers for some of their players, and they were in a very complicated situation at November.
 

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I was talking about overall season, not only this match. Udinese was a relegation candidate and now they have dozens of offers for some of their players, and they were in a very complicated situation at November.
What do people think Rodrigo De Paul's overall quality level is? Another productive season for him, CL quality?
 

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How the likes of Danilo, Ramsey, Bernardeschi and Rugani can start for a team like Juventus is unbelievable. They were pretty much playing with 8 players from the start.

Sarri has to go when the likes of Pochetino are available but he's far from being the problem. This squad needs a big overhaul, Dybala and Ronaldo aside there is no ability to create anything of note. I think those two would prefer to play with 10 men than to play another game next to Bernardeschi and Ramsey.

Rabiot and De Ligt are quality though so at least they got that right last summer. Don't think they would be winning the title without those signings.
De Ligt was shite at the 1-2 though, but yeah he'll get there.
 

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What do people think Rodrigo De Paul's overall quality level is? Another productive season for him, CL quality?
If you base himself in this season performance, he would probably fit an EPL top 4 squad. Would he be a starting 11 quality? I have a few doubts on that since Luca Gotti assembled a 3x5x2 where the midfielders have a lot of duties and shine more.
 

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How the likes of Danilo, Ramsey, Bernardeschi and Rugani can start for a team like Juventus is unbelievable. They were pretty much playing with 8 players from the start.

Sarri has to go when the likes of Pochetino are available but he's far from being the problem. This squad needs a big overhaul, Dybala and Ronaldo aside there is no ability to create anything of note. I think those two would prefer to play with 10 men than to play another game next to Bernardeschi and Ramsey.

Rabiot and De Ligt are quality though so at least they got that right last summer. Don't think they would be winning the title without those signings.
A bit harsh on Bernardeschi: he's a livewire dribbler and showed his quality last season (not so much this season under Sarri). He won't be a top scorer/assister but he will create tons of space for his coleagues with his movement and dribbling
 

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wtf just happened?

Joao Pedro scores a stunning free kick ref says NOPE

edit: Indirect free kick was given for this foul
Wtf has he cancelled that free kick for? I genuinely can't see any reason for that to be disallowed?

Has a wiff of match fixing about that surely.

Btw :lol: Imagine if Maguire got done like De Ligt did there for Juve! we wouldn't hear the end of it. Awful.
 

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A bit harsh on Bernardeschi: he's a livewire dribbler and showed his quality last season (not so much this season under Sarri). He won't be a top scorer/assister but he will create tons of space for his coleagues with his movement and dribbling
Disagree so much. He had like 3 good games last season, one of them being a great one in the comeback vs Atlético.

He’s incredibly average and adds next to nothing in attack, the only thing he’s good at is at pressing and running around. Nowhere near good enough to be a regular for a top team, him and Ramsey are supposed to be the main creative players for this team but they literally can’t create a single thing. It looks even worse because he’s playing in a front 3 with Ronaldo and Dybala and the gap between those two and Bernardeschi is so big that it’s almost embarassing at times.

Juve will be desperate to sell Bernardeschi this summer but I doubt there will be any takers even for a lower price that they paid for him
 

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De Ligt was shite at the 1-2 though, but yeah he'll get there.
He’s been fantastic for months now though. If they hadn’t bought De Ligt and Rabiot last summer their squad would be looking grim.

If Juve have a bad summer I think there will be a new Italian champion next year. After 35 games they have less goals scored and more goals conceded than an Inter team who has been fairly average for a long time. They’re lucky that individual moments bailed them out a bunch of times.
 

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A bit harsh on Bernardeschi: he's a livewire dribbler and showed his quality last season (not so much this season under Sarri). He won't be a top scorer/assister but he will create tons of space for his coleagues with his movement and dribbling
How much of Bernardeschi have you actually watched?
 

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He’s been fantastic for months now though. If they hadn’t bought De Ligt and Rabiot last summer their squad would be looking grim.

If Juve have a bad summer I think there will be a new Italian champion next year. After 35 games they have less goals scored and more goals conceded than an Inter team who has been fairly average for a long time. They’re lucky that individual moments bailed them out a bunch of times.
Yeah, I watched a few games of em this season and it looked rubbish every time. The Atalanta game last week was a great example.

Doubt Ronaldo can carry them on his shoulders much longer. Though Dybala has been quite good I suppose.
 

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How much of Bernardeschi have you actually watched?
Enough to know he's an above average player. Probably not good enough to be a decisive player in terms of being an elite player, but still good enough to come in and do the job properly. He's not that bad as people make him to be. The whole team is performing really bad overall.

But then again, is just my opinion, that can be different then other and that's ok.
 

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Disagree so much. He had like 3 good games last season, one of them being a great one in the comeback vs Atlético.

He’s incredibly average and adds next to nothing in attack, the only thing he’s good at is at pressing and running around. Nowhere near good enough to be a regular for a top team, him and Ramsey are supposed to be the main creative players for this team but they literally can’t create a single thing. It looks even worse because he’s playing in a front 3 with Ronaldo and Dybala and the gap between those two and Bernardeschi is so big that it’s almost embarassing at times.

Juve will be desperate to sell Bernardeschi this summer but I doubt there will be any takers even for a lower price that they paid for him
More than 3 good games last season. He's a very useful player to have and his profile is very handy to have in a squad to offer solutions. I agree that he's not elite level, though.
 

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Then you guys "laugh" when I say Juve have been the third best team in Italy all season.

They are so fortunate to be 1st this season its not even funny. They should have at the very least 10 less points then they do now.
Yes. And last season. And the season before. And yet, they're winning the league again. As they did last season, and the season before...

Having far better players than everyone else isn't luck
 

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Enough to know he's an above average player. Probably not good enough to be a decisive player in terms of being an elite player, but still good enough to come in and do the job properly. He's not that bad as people make him to be. The whole team is performing really bad overall.

But then again, is just my opinion, that can be different then other and that's ok.
Bernardeschi in Serie A this season:

Apps: 26
Goals: 0
Assists: 1

Juve's defenders & goalkeepers goals in Serie A this season:

De ligt: 4
Bonucci: 3
Danilo: 2
Demiral (injury): 1
Chiellini (injury): 1
Alex Sandro: 1
Buffon: 0
Szczesny: 0
Bernardeschi: 0

Sure, he offers a lot of legs and running but so do I.
 

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Yes. And last season. And the season before. And yet, they're winning the league again. As they did last season, and the season before...

Having far better players than everyone else isn't luck
Last season they were much better, would have broken Serie A's point record if they had bothered to. The attack had a lot of the same problems but at least their defense was elite when everyone was fit. Now they're having their worst defensive record in a decade and can't keep a lead to save their lifes which used to be their bread and butter.

After 35 games they have less goals scored and more goals conceded than Inter... they're closer to the likes of Inter and Atalanta in terms of overall squad quality than they are to Bayern or City. If they don't have a good summer then they'll fall further and further behind the elite clubs in Europe.
 

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Last season they were much better, would have broken Serie A's point record if they had bothered to.
Would they really? I thought so too at the time but in hindsight, i really don't think that is the case. The results in the first 27 games massively outstripped the performances. Then they stopped the rest of the way

The attack had a lot of the same problems but at least their defense was elite when everyone was fit. Now they're having their worst defensive record in a decade and can't keep a lead to save their lifes which used to be their bread and butter.
Sure enough. As i said, they lack consistency within games

Still, over 38 games they were worse than Napoli and Atalanta last season, too, in terms of performances
After 35 games they have less goals scored and more goals conceded than Inter...
And 7 points more. Won both h2h games too. Scored more goals than all of last season, too. Underlying numbers are similar to last season's, have been all season long

If your criteria to judge them inferior to inter and atalanta involve looking at performances, GD or advanced numbers, then Atalanta are better than every single version of juventus bar the 13/14 one, and Inter are equal to their 18/19 side

they're closer to the likes of Inter and Atalanta in terms of overall squad quality than they are to Bayern or City.
Ludicrous. Inter and Atalanta are extremely well coached sides who are getting the best out of their players. Juventus are not

Rabiot was crap until the lockdown and Bentancour was great. Now Rabiot is great and Bentancour is not? Come on.

But yes, they are obviously quite a ways off City in terms of individual quality. Everyone is. Bayern though? Bayern are just a much better team. They don't have much better players
 

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Yeah, I watched a few games of em this season and it looked rubbish every time. The Atalanta game last week was a great example.

Doubt Ronaldo can carry them on his shoulders much longer. Though Dybala has been quite good I suppose.
This season he was at fault was at least 7 goals and this is without counting the game vs Atalanta and Sassuolo where he was rolled over easily, or the games where he didn't close down quickly. Clearcut mistakes for at least 7 goals including 3 penalties conceded.
 
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This season he was at fault was at least 7 goals and this is without counting the game vs Atlanta and Sassuolo where he was rolled over easily, or the games where he didn't close down quickly. Clearcut mistakes for at least 7 goals including 3 penalties conceded.
He was poor to start the season but he’s been great since. By far Juve’s defender this season at 20 years old
 

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Ludicrous. Inter and Atalanta are extremely well coached sides who are getting the best out of their players. Juventus are not

Rabiot was crap until the lockdown and Bentancour was great. Now Rabiot is great and Bentancour is not? Come on.

But yes, they are obviously quite a ways off City in terms of individual quality. Everyone is. Bayern though? Bayern are just a much better team. They don't have much better players
Bentancur is very good but he’s not a great passer of the ball and when he plays the Pjanic role the flaws he has are more noticeable, he hasn’t been in great form. And Rabiot does look miles better since the break.

How many Juve players would start for Bayern? Ronaldo, Dybala instead of Muller? And De Ligt? There are more Atalanta/Inter players that would start for Juve than Juve players that would start for City, Liverpool or Bayern.

I don’t think Atalanta or Inter are better than them but people underestimate how many problems Juve’s squad has and blame Sarri for the poor performances when Allegri faced a lot of the same problems too. Bringing in Pochettino for Sarri without major changes in the squad wouldn’t solve anything