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City thrashing teams because of oil money

Is anyone else stirred today? They have already smashed the points total and trounced the same team in the cup with no fight at all but the oil money city are pouring into our league is making it la liga.

It is clearly going to destroy the competitive nature of the league in the long run, if the owners stay interested enough to continue pouring billions in fake sponsorship in for the next 10 years

Is there anything we can do as fans of a competitive game no matter what team it is, or is it a case of just waiting it out until pep gets bored as with other teams and manchester city will have to copy another teams identity, which will hopefully take some years and an adjustment
 

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People were saying that about Pep’s Barca team, and the Warriors more recently. Great teams and dynasties fall eventually.
 

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Given the situation with Pool, I'm thankful for Pep and City. Long (1 day after Klopp goes) may it last.
 

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Casanova85 said:
It's Pep. Period, 2012 and 2014 was not even a dominating season for City.
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This. Prior to Pep their league titles were on goal difference and slip difference. Pep is the catalyst behind this period of domination, he’s the one that’s elevated this team to this level. When he goes, they will go back to being another good team, but still beatable, regardless of how much they spend, just as Jose did to them with Chelsea, and we did with SAF.
 

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Given the situation with Pool, I'm thankful for Pep and City. Long (1 day after Klopp goes) may it last.
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This. It's like everyone forgot over the summer that we need to be supportive of our neighbours in all their endeavours until those knobheads over in the next estate piss off
 

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It's a very well run club and they're reaping the rewards of years of planning and good recruitment in all areas. We should be the team up there with them but we have clowns in charge.
 

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Casanova85 said:
It's Pep. Period, 2012 and 2014 was not even a dominating season for City.
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https://football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/mr/mr47/en/

In 2012 and 2014 they had two and four years with oil money. Now they have ten. It is the culumative effect of outspending every single team each year for ten years. It has been very flattering for them to be compared to us because we have been so awful the last six years. Hence, they always say, look at Man Utd, spending money is not everything.

But in the period 2010-2019 they have invested €1638 mill. Man Utd have invested €1268 mill. And their closest rival at the moment, Liverpool, have invested €1075 mill. That is a 30 % and a 53 % difference. The difference between Liverpool and Man City is bigger than the difference between Liverpool and Everton.

If you look at the net figures, it is even worse. It is controversial, but IMO it makes sense. Man City do not have to sell players to buy. Liverpool would not be able to spend as much with out selling some of their best assets (Suarez/Coutinho). Man City has spent more than 4 times Liverpool in net.

It is Pep? Are you having a laugh? Wake up!
 

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andersj said:
https://football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/mr/mr47/en/

In 2012 and 2014 they had two and four years with oil money. Now they have ten. It is the culumative effect of outspending every single team each year for ten years. It has been very flattering for them to be compared to us because we have been so awful the last six years. Hence, they always say, look at Man Utd, spending money is not everything.

But in the period 2010-2019 they have invested €1638 mill. Man Utd have invested €1268 mill. And their closest rival at the moment, Liverpool, have invested €1075 mill. That is a 30 % and a 53 % difference. The difference between Liverpool and Man City is bigger than the difference between Liverpool and Everton.

If you look at the net figures, it is even worse. It is controversial, but IMO it makes sense. Man City do not have to sell players to buy. Liverpool would not be able to spend as much with out selling some of their best assets (Suarez/Coutinho). Man City has spent more than 4 times Liverpool in net.

It is Pep? Are you having a laugh? Wake up!
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They'd probably get to 80-85 or so points without Pep (assuming a competent, even good, manager in charge). Pep brings the extra 10-20 point difference, I thought that much is obvious.

Regarding points, haven't Chelsea hit 90+ a few times as well? 95 in 04/05, 91 following season, 93 in 16/17. It feels like every time Chelsea won, they absolutely obliterated the opposition too.
 

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Crashoutcassius said:
City thrashing teams because of oil money

Is anyone else stirred today? They have already smashed the points total and trounced the same team in the cup with no fight at all but the oil money city are pouring into our league is making it la liga.

It is clearly going to destroy the competitive nature of the league in the long run, if the owners stay interested enough to continue pouring billions in fake sponsorship in for the next 10 years

Is there anything we can do as fans of a competitive game no matter what team it is, or is it a case of just waiting it out until pep gets bored as with other teams and manchester city will have to copy another teams identity, which will hopefully take some years and an adjustment
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Premier league is ruined. Has been on that track for years.
Its about money and money alone.

Can you name a premiership team with a core of home nations players ?
 

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Pep has no doubt moved them onto a whole new level but anyone suggesting what's happened off the pitch in Paris and over at the bitter bowl hasn't played a huge part are just brainless. Pep wouldn't even be there but for the Sheikh would he? Doubt he knew much about City tbh.

PSG have won 21 out of the last 24 trophies on offer in the farmers league. City are now the dominant side in this league even if historically they aren't close.

When countries start funding football clubs this is what happens. Imagine the outrage if United was funded by Saudi Arabia or Brunei etc.

I think a lot of non United fans are enjoying City taking the spotlight off us however give it another 5 years and they will hate them like they hated us.
 

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It must be absolutely killing the scousers knowing that without Pep’ City they’d be looking at another PL back to back.
 

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Martial Pogba and DDG.

United's best players are all foreign.
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Tbf our current best player is probably James , followed by AWB and Maguire. Martial isn't top 10 for me. Pogba clearly has the most talent but doesn't regularly show the fight to back it up.
 

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_00_deathscar said:
They'd probably get to 80-85 or so points without Pep (assuming a competent, even good, manager in charge). Pep brings the extra 10-20 point difference, I thought that much is obvious.


Regarding points, haven't Chelsea hit 90+ a few times as well? 95 in 04/05, 91 following season, 93 in 16/17. It feels like every time Chelsea won, they absolutely obliterated the opposition too.
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Thing is, it is not just Pep and money. They have a great management too. Even without Pep, they would have a great squad because of Tixi and their scouting system.

Up to the point where Man City sacked him in the middle of the season (announced Pep), Pellegrini, a very average manager, had an average of about 80p. And lets not forget, there is culumative effect. It is easier being a manager for Man City after they have outspent everyone for ten years than after five. Even an average manager like Pellegrini would be close to 90p with todays Man City.

Pep might add close to 10 p compared to an average manager. But I think Poch, Allegri, Conte, Sarri would get close to 100p. I also think even Mourinho, Emery and Tuchel would be close to 100p once in a while. Klopp would probably do even better.
 

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Casanova85 said:
It's Pep. Period, 2012 and 2014 was not even a dominating season for City.
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1. He wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the money, and neither would the players. It's like saying it's due to Sterling, De Bruyne or Aguero, the money attracts the players and manager which makes the team, but the money is still the root cause.

2. He's spent approx £630m on transfer fees alone according to transfermarkt. Add the wages of his signings and it's minimum £1bn outlay.
 

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McGrathsipan said:
Premier league is ruined. Has been on that track for years.
Its about money and money alone.

Can you name a premiership team with a core of home nations players ?
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Not the centre core but we do have a few - Henderson, Milner, TAA, Robertson (the latter two are certainly very, very key).
 

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It must be absolutely killing the scousers knowing that without Pep’ City they’d be looking at another PL back to back.
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We're used to it. Even without Pep, there was 2013/2014.

Prior to that, our best season before was facing probably the best team (certainly over a 3-year period) you've ever had...
 

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Ballache said:
It's a very well run club and they're reaping the rewards of years of planning and good recruitment in all areas. We should be the team up there with them but we have clowns in charge.
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Was anyone talking about a well run club before Pep? They keep buying players till it works. Just look at the recruitment in defence.
 

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Thing is, it is not just Pep and money. They have a great management too. Even without Pep, they would have a great squad because of Tixi and their scouting system.

Up to the point where Man City sacked him in the middle of the season (announced Pep), Pellegrini, a very average manager, had an average of about 80p. And lets not forget, there is culumative effect. It is easier being a manager for Man City after they have outspent everyone for ten years than after five. Even an average manager like Pellegrini would be close to 90p with todays Man City.

Pep might add close to 10 p compared to an average manager. But I think Poch, Allegri, Conte, Sarri would get close to 100p. I also think even Mourinho, Emery and Tuchel would be close to 100p once in a while. Klopp would probably do even better.
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I agree on the whole (although Pellegrini also had Madrid's points records total so in some cases it's as much down to the players as the coaches, management, systems in place).

Not sure about Poch - remains to be seen.

I think someone like Benitez, for example, would probably have won 1 instead of 2 (or coming up to 3?) titles for Man City - probably the year they hit 100 points, but probably just scraping it on 85 points or something - but would probably have won them the CL by now.

Pep is relentless in the league, and when you give him money on top of that to bring in his staff/team, players, systems etc and even a bit of patience (bad first year), he'll win you league after league after league and it's hard to stop him.

At the same time, Pep wouldn't have had Liverpool winning the European Cup or only a point behind a (Pep equivalent) City, with what we've spent (and recouped). He'd have done well with us, but not as well as Klopp.

Not sure how well Klopp would have done at City - remains to be seen once he takes up a similar job (if at all - hope he stays with us forever!).
 

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It must have been dark times for the premier league and United fans when United under SAF got three in a row. Ruining the league etc.
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The thing is, we deserved it through good management both on and off the field. We 'earned' our money, and it's not like we massively outspent everyone. As much as everybody might hate it, that deserves grudging respect (much like what Liverpool are doing at the moment).

Being funded basically by a country to promote themselves and who have severe human rights issues on top of that...it's all so empty and meaningless.
 

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andersj said:
https://football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/mr/mr47/en/

In 2012 and 2014 they had two and four years with oil money. Now they have ten. It is the culumative effect of outspending every single team each year for ten years. It has been very flattering for them to be compared to us because we have been so awful the last six years. Hence, they always say, look at Man Utd, spending money is not everything.

But in the period 2010-2019 they have invested €1638 mill. Man Utd have invested €1268 mill. And their closest rival at the moment, Liverpool, have invested €1075 mill. That is a 30 % and a 53 % difference. The difference between Liverpool and Man City is bigger than the difference between Liverpool and Everton.

If you look at the net figures, it is even worse. It is controversial, but IMO it makes sense. Man City do not have to sell players to buy. Liverpool would not be able to spend as much with out selling some of their best assets (Suarez/Coutinho). Man City has spent more than 4 times Liverpool in net.

It is Pep? Are you having a laugh? Wake up!
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Yet City are not the first team to outspend their rivals by considerable percentages, and their outspending others pales in comparison to early Abramovich Chelsea. We discussed this in the other thread: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/peps-spending-is-insane.436115/page-42#post-24709658
 

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This is a bad thread , they are good and we need to accept that and move on. Things like this just make us seem ridiculously bitter
 

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It is such a magical story, haven’t seen the goals so I assume at least a couple of homegrown players scored a goal as being up 5-0 up early there can’t be have been a better time to introduce some of these players from Vincent Kompanys cul de sac of talent?
 

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I find it more pathetic that a team which weren't relegation candidates at the start of the season get beat 8-0, with their new/old manager's second game. Being 5-0 down after 25min or so says everything about their professionalism.

This is after they were beaten 6-0 in the FA Cup final.
 

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They're state sponsored with unlimited oil funding, ride roughshod over FFP, have out spent everyone else in the division and are only able to attract the world's best manager due to limitless oil money. And he's only able to continually buy the expensive players that fit his perfect system due to limitless oil money.

People who constantly spout off that City are this perfectly run organisation are deliberately deluding themselves into believing that it has nothing to do with limitless oil funding buying these expensive players, expensive manager, expensive training facilities, statues of Kompany, etc. Their success is all down to limitless oil funding and threats of lawsuits that nobody else can afford to challenge, should they dare to start investigating dodgy sponsorships or leaked emails.
Regardless of Liverpool's start to the season, I'd be very surprised if the Shiekh doesn't buy another domestic treble this season. Possibly a quadruple. Mansour and Co actually have killed off any competition in this league. It'll become akin to Ligue 1 eventually.

As for the poster above who snidely remarked that United winning 3 in a row was killing the league - United never went on 25 game winning streaks, sticking 6 or 7 goals on everybody and wrapping up the league by February. Most of the title races went down to the wire and were settled around 89 points, rather than centuries.
 
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